hi lads, this forum is like vintage wine,just keeps getting better, cracking photos oiltreader, bumper
Top marks for you, Its a cracking picture to say the least, the old boy with the pipe is my late grandad Tommy Smiles from Wideopen, his younger brother was Isaac Smiles the founder of Smiles for Miles. Regards Larry
oiltreader:
And now bang up to date what a MAN looks like in Brazil.
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Thats awful on so many levels
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Flower’s Brewery Stratford upon Avon dray wagons, 2 Dennis, Maudsley and an Albion, also bottom pic a Leyland would you say.
oiltreaderHi oiltreader Sorry to inform you but it is 3 Maudsleys and an Aibion
Regards crowbar
Point taken, ta for that. Cheers.
oiltreader
oiltreader:
BRS wagon and drag at Brynhyfryd in Wales with a full length rigid load, how does that handle?.
oiltreader
It just shows that nothing in the transport world is new, it took until the mid 80’s for Jan de Rooy to come up with a similar idea, a 50’ rigid body on a drawbar 
DeRooy could only send them things on a dedicated run. Take a wrong turn & it was a crane job to get out. The drivers had their schedule mapped out a month in advance.
sammyopisite:
oiltreader:
BRS wagon and drag at Brynhyfryd in Wales with a full length rigid load, how does that handle?.
oiltreaderThe load is loaded on to a Bolster which will have a turn table so as the load will swing out at the front when negotiating a tight turn, it will work the same as if was loaded on to 2 bogies or an artic with a bolster on the fifth wheel and a bogie as the load will be secured to the bolster and not the wagons deck.
cheers Johnnie
Sammyopisite, thanks for your input, normally it would be a flatbed with turntable and bolster on top, the back end would be a single or twin axle bogie, no problem when turning corners. On a wagon and drag there would be 2 swivel points, turntable on lorry bed and the front axle of the trailer, this means that when going round a corner with this setup the distance between the front and rear bolsters shortens. That is what had me scratching my head when I saw the picture. A simple test, on a bit of paper draw a straight line 4" long, now another line 4" with an angle at 2" of say 30 degrees, measure the distance across between the two ends and it is shorter. That means that with the setup in the picture the load would move fore and aft going round corners. No sign of a turntable in the picture, nothing tied down either, so we’ll have to settle for a short straight line journey, I guess. good point of discussion anyway.
oiltreader
A transport utopia, it is nothing new, click on the links for a couple of videos
OK I give in to the better knowledge of those who say the lorry at the back is a Bedford. I remember as a youngster seeing a working Chevvy, (the same in all appearances) which this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Vehicles will show became the Bedford.
oiltreader
oiltreader:
sammyopisite:
oiltreader:
BRS wagon and drag at Brynhyfryd in Wales with a full length rigid load, how does that handle?.
oiltreaderThe load is loaded on to a Bolster which will have a turn table so as the load will swing out at the front when negotiating a tight turn, it will work the same as if was loaded on to 2 bogies or an artic with a bolster on the fifth wheel and a bogie as the load will be secured to the bolster and not the wagons deck.
cheers JohnnieSammyopisite, thanks for your input, normally it would be a flatbed with turntable and bolster on top, the back end would be a single or twin axle bogie, no problem when turning corners. On a wagon and drag there would be 2 swivel points, turntable on lorry bed and the front axle of the trailer, this means that when going round a corner with this setup the distance between the front and rear bolsters shortens. That is what had me scratching my head when I saw the picture. A simple test, on a bit of paper draw a straight line 4" long, now another line 4" with an angle at 2" of say 30 degrees, measure the distance across between the two ends and it is shorter. That means that with the setup in the picture the load would move fore and aft going round corners. No sign of a turntable in the picture, nothing tied down either, so we’ll have to settle for a short straight line journey, I guess. good point of discussion anyway.
oiltreader
I talked about this veh with old Harry way back on the BRS thread,heres one photo of the same idea but with an artic of the Forth Leven photos thread.Vic
v7victor:
oiltreader:
sammyopisite:
oiltreader:
BRS wagon and drag at Brynhyfryd in Wales with a full length rigid load, how does that handle?.
oiltreaderThe load is loaded on to a Bolster which will have a turn table so as the load will swing out at the front when negotiating a tight turn, it will work the same as if was loaded on to 2 bogies or an artic with a bolster on the fifth wheel and a bogie as the load will be secured to the bolster and not the wagons deck.
cheers JohnnieSammyopisite, thanks for your input, normally it would be a flatbed with turntable and bolster on top, the back end would be a single or twin axle bogie, no problem when turning corners. On a wagon and drag there would be 2 swivel points, turntable on lorry bed and the front axle of the trailer, this means that when going round a corner with this setup the distance between the front and rear bolsters shortens. That is what had me scratching my head when I saw the picture. A simple test, on a bit of paper draw a straight line 4" long, now another line 4" with an angle at 2" of say 30 degrees, measure the distance across between the two ends and it is shorter. That means that with the setup in the picture the load would move fore and aft going round corners. No sign of a turntable in the picture, nothing tied down either, so we’ll have to settle for a short straight line journey, I guess. good point of discussion anyway.
oiltreaderI talked about this veh with old Harry way back on the BRS thread,heres one photo of the same idea but with an artic of the Forth Leven photos thread.Vic
Another BRS same idea with a bogie
oiltreader:
OK I give in to the better knowledge of those who say the lorry at the back is a Bedford. I remember as a youngster seeing a working Chevvy, (the same in all appearances) which this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Vehicles will show became the Bedford.
oiltreader
Hi Oiltreader, Its a very long time ago that i drove QLs in the Army,the pic is a QL , but in Malaya 48/50 our trucks were war left overs mainly American and Canadian Fords and Chevvys etc all had the same cabs --it was to do with i believe with the production of British vehicles shifted over there but never had Bedfords in our unit–useless info of course but i can see where confusion can arise.----toshboy
oiltreader:
The army version.
oiltreader
hiya,
An old song sung by army drivers in the mid-fifties still plenty of QLs about I drove one on occasion went something like,
The old QL is doing a dive,
I’ve got the b"“”""d stuck in four wheel drive,
We’re moving on, we’ll soon be gone.
next bit is a bit naughty I’ll give the rest a miss.
thanks harry long retired.
Go on Harry…be brave,tell us!
Bubbs, 
bubbleman:
Go on Harry…be brave,tell us!Bubbs,
hiya,
Only if you want to see the back of me,I’d get blocked.
thanks harry long retired.
bubbleman:
Go on Harry…be brave,tell us!Bubbs,
Aye,go on Harry,then follow it up with “Me no likee Blitish Soldier,me like Yankee best of all”. 
oiltreader:
sammyopisite:
oiltreader:
BRS wagon and drag at Brynhyfryd in Wales with a full length rigid load, how does that handle?.
oiltreaderThe load is loaded on to a Bolster which will have a turn table so as the load will swing out at the front when negotiating a tight turn, it will work the same as if was loaded on to 2 bogies or an artic with a bolster on the fifth wheel and a bogie as the load will be secured to the bolster and not the wagons deck.
cheers JohnnieSammyopisite, thanks for your input, normally it would be a flatbed with turntable and bolster on top, the back end would be a single or twin axle bogie, no problem when turning corners. On a wagon and drag there would be 2 swivel points, turntable on lorry bed and the front axle of the trailer, this means that when going round a corner with this setup the distance between the front and rear bolsters shortens. That is what had me scratching my head when I saw the picture. A simple test, on a bit of paper draw a straight line 4" long, now another line 4" with an angle at 2" of say 30 degrees, measure the distance across between the two ends and it is shorter. That means that with the setup in the picture the load would move fore and aft going round corners. No sign of a turntable in the picture, nothing tied down either, so we’ll have to settle for a short straight line journey, I guess. good point of discussion anyway.
oiltreader
I have enlarged the picture to see if I could see more detail and it does seem as though the load is secured to the timbers which are across the wagon and drag and there could be 2 plates under neath as the load bearing timbers do not look as if they are flush to the deck and eighth of an inch plate would be more than enough for that weight. There is no way that you would be able to go in anything but an absolute straight line if it was secure to the decks of both wagon and drag and if not secured it would move with the slightest degree of movement. A little experiment to prove the point is with 2 match boxes and a lollipop stick and sellotape the lollipop stick to them and try and move out of line and the tape will come away.
It will work in the same principal as a load on twin bogies which have a steering axle at the front of each and on the rear bogie the drawbar is secured to the load as in the picture below
when doing this type of load you had to line the bogies up perfectly using a plumb line as half an inch out of line could mean the load could be running over 2 feet out of line ( like crabbing ) over a long load and the main stresses would always be on any steering or off line movements distorting either the load or securing chains or wire ropes some loads were actually bolted to the bolsters and the greatest stress was on the bolts in this case. It is far more difficult for me to put in writing ( being a thick uneducated lorry driver ) than to do the job as I was very lucky and had some excellent blokes to learn me.
This a suspended load where the load is bolted on to the bolsters to reduce the traveling height and you drove it as if you were driving a girder trailer with bogies at both ends and the rear bogie was pinned up for most of the time so it acted like a long drawbar trailer where the back end could be steered when required.
I hope you are able to make some sense of this as the blokes who used the make shift set up knew how to overcome problems with minimal resources and I seem to ramble on for ever
Cheers Johnnie
Chris Webb:
bubbleman:
Go on Harry…be brave,tell us!Bubbs,
Aye,go on Harry,then follow it up with “Me no likee Blitish Soldier,me like Yankee best of all”.
hiya,
Hello Chris my version is a bit Oriental too with a bit of a dig at Sigmund Ree (spelling) as well as ladies of the night who of course I steered well clear of although the price was affordable even on a National Serviceman’s pittance, we only had the QLs in Korea we was a bit posh in Singers/Malaya we had S types. By the way Chris thanks for putting me in touch with Russel it’s about 40 years since I’ve seen him, he ran with the Bowker lads a lot and used the same digs know him really well, I’ll try and get his home number and give him a call, thanks again.
thanks harry long retired.
I have had a go at blowing the original picture up and it looks to me as if the load is secured to the home made bolsters which would enable the load to transported anywhere if a turntable was under the bolster which looks as if it could be. I hope this does not go on like the 240 big J as Marcus will be banning me from this thread 
and I could not cope with that 
cheers Johnnie
and I could not cope with that cheers Johnnie