waiting for boarding ferry from alandia to finland(or sweden) ,this company still do bout ,cheers benkku
Fantastico !!!
Hiya Benku! Great picture !
Hi Bill Good to see you back on page 1. C’mon Saviem lets see some photos of your LB project. Jim
jmc jnr:
Hi Bill Good to see you back on page 1. C’mon Saviem lets see some photos of your LB project. Jim
Hi Jim, well the old girl is sitting in the barn, only been out a couple of times, suddenly rust is appearing, where non was apparent in Bordeaux!! If the truth is known, I really do not have the time to do anything to her, and even worse, I do not have the inclination!( So much work to keep on top of with the farm). Keep wondering if I should sell her, then I realise that if I did after all these years, I would regret it later!
Still between “offices”, (pig stye, to cow shed)! and if you saw my computer equipment…boy would you laugh…no provision for photos …yet! Main reason I run John Deere`s, the computers are simple!!!
Would swop the LB, for a really nice Willeme “shark nose”, or Bernard, (any model), or even a Unic Gallibier, plus some cash!!! Otherwise I will keep her.
Cheerio for now.
LV 75 in Swiss.
The LV from Setz .
michel:
The LV from Setz .
What a stunner that lorry is. Was a more impressive vehicle built circa 1960? I cannot think of one.
[zb]
anorak:michel:
The LV from Setz .What a stunner that lorry is. Was a more impressive vehicle built circa 1960? I cannot think of one.
Evening all, Anorak, true, the LV is smart, …but 1960, well…
For looks, how about, a Berliet TLM15, 14.780 litre 6 cylinder, Berliet FBO 10 speed, for sheer" on the road presence", nothing could surpass it! And performance wise, forget the Swedish pile of ■■■!!
But if it has to be a cab over,…well a Relax cab GPRK, 6x4, M620Z 9.5 litre @180hp, ZF 8.680 8 speed, and it had been on the market since 1958! The Relax cab was “factory built”, and very quiet and comfortable. The doors did not drop, (as my wife`s relations, the Van Daals tell me those of the LV, most certainly did)!
Now if we seek out the “real” lorries of that period, well of course it would be hard to choose between the Willeme, with the Cottard built Horizon cab, perhaps a LD610 TBH, with Willeme`s own 518T6, naturally aspirated engine @190 hp, or perhaps the Turbo 518T6 @255hp with the 6 speed overdrive box,…
But for “real” looks, and pedigree performance, well it has to be a TD150.35 Pelpel cab Bernard with its licence built Gardner, or a Charbonneaux “Television” cab TDA 211.35 Mack engined tractor unit…
But all “Michael taking” apart, are not all these European lorries of the 60s absolute superb lookers? Irrespective of make, or country of origin. The LV is superb for being so rare, (but now are also the others) ! This morning I had to move my LB76 out of the barn, lest one of the wheat trailers catch her, she fired up first click, even though I have not touched her for a month, and this evening coming into the yard I thought what a superb looking vehicle she really is, I really should do something with her…time, oh where is time?
Cheerio for now.
just drive her ,abit enyoy the sound and feeling ,enougt im green of , and ashame i sold mine ,really sad ,don,t do that misstake saviem.cheers benkku
bma.finland:
just drive her ,abit enyoy the sound and feeling ,enougt im green of , and ashame i sold mine ,really sad ,don,t do that misstake saviem.cheers benkku
Hi Benkku, you are right, there are so many lorries that I now regret selling, you do not realise, untill they are gone. I am just going out now to put her into another Barn, where there is less traffic! When I see that white steering wheel, yes she really has something!
The Valtra is going well, and she is so very economic, we are all amazed at how little fuel she uses, even working hard on the PTO. She is on a 16tonne trailer at the moment, 16 hour days, and my lads love her, they say she is quieter than the John Deeres!! Hope that you have a good Harvest in Finland.
Kindest regards, Cheerio for now.
Saviem:
Evening all, Anorak, true, the LV is smart, …but 1960, well…For looks, how about, a Berliet TLM15, 14.780 litre 6 cylinder, Berliet FBO 10 speed, for sheer" on the road presence", nothing could surpass it! And performance wise, forget the Swedish pile of ■■■!!
From 1961, you could get a 205bhp turbocharged 75. I wonder if the Setz LV has that engine? Would that engine compete with a GBO15?
Saviem:
But if it has to be a cab over,…well a Relax cab GPRK, 6x4, M620Z 9.5 litre @180hp, ZF 8.680 8 speed, and it had been on the market since 1958! The Relax cab was “factory built”, and very quiet and comfortable. The doors did not drop, (as my wife`s relations, the Van Daals tell me those of the LV, most certainly did)!
Which cab did your relations’ LVs have? The Setz lorry has a van Eck cab, which was of all-steel construction, just like a “proper” mass-produced one. The LV was taller than anything else of its time, suggesting that it had more space indoors than the norm. Pending my visit to the Setz museum (pending the accumulation of some wages!), I cannot confirm this guess.
Saviem:
Now if we seek out the “real” lorries of that period, well of course it would be hard to choose between the Willeme, with the Cottard built Horizon cab, perhaps a LD610 TBH, with Willeme`s own 518T6, naturally aspirated engine @190 hp, or perhaps the Turbo 518T6 @255hp with the 6 speed overdrive box,…
255bhp in 1960? OK, you win!
Saviem:
But for “real” looks, and pedigree performance, well it has to be a TD150.35 Pelpel cab Bernard with its licence built Gardner, or a Charbonneaux “Television” cab TDA 211.35 Mack engined tractor unit…
Cheerio for now.
[zb]
anorak:Saviem:
Evening all, Anorak, true, the LV is smart, …but 1960, well…For looks, how about, a Berliet TLM15, 14.780 litre 6 cylinder, Berliet FBO 10 speed, for sheer" on the road presence", nothing could surpass it! And performance wise, forget the Swedish pile of ■■■!!
From 1961, you could get a 205bhp turbocharged 75. I wonder if the Setz LV has that engine? Would that engine compete with a GBO15?
Saviem:
But if it has to be a cab over,…well a Relax cab GPRK, 6x4, M620Z 9.5 litre @180hp, ZF 8.680 8 speed, and it had been on the market since 1958! The Relax cab was “factory built”, and very quiet and comfortable. The doors did not drop, (as my wife`s relations, the Van Daals tell me those of the LV, most certainly did)!Which cab did your relations’ LVs have? The Setz lorry has a van Eck cab, which was of all-steel construction, just like a “proper” mass-produced one. The LV was taller than anything else of its time, suggesting that it had more space indoors than the norm. Pending my visit to the Setz museum (pending the accumulation of some wages!), I cannot confirm this guess.
Saviem:
Now if we seek out the “real” lorries of that period, well of course it would be hard to choose between the Willeme, with the Cottard built Horizon cab, perhaps a LD610 TBH, with Willeme`s own 518T6, naturally aspirated engine @190 hp, or perhaps the Turbo 518T6 @255hp with the 6 speed overdrive box,…255bhp in 1960? OK, you win!
Saviem:
But for “real” looks, and pedigree performance, well it has to be a TD150.35 Pelpel cab Bernard with its licence built Gardner, or a Charbonneaux “Television” cab TDA 211.35 Mack engined tractor unit…
Cheerio for now.
Hey Anorak, Volvo was nearly the first with a turbo, Scania in '61 was relativily late for road transport. Because nearly all marques offered in the '50’s turbo’s some only on paper but never sold one and the who did was without success.
The Sweeds delivered quality,the only danger was using the wrong oils that killed them,which frequently past by unknowlege. MAN tryed it often but Always had to retun on his staps back of problems,after a while the ofter a choise turbo or non turbo with the same HP (V10 320hp V8 turbo 320hp. Mercedes waited till using turbos till the beginning of the '80’s so they delivered at once quality.Of course with small engine it was differed lots were earlier and had quality like Daf’s DS575 or MB’s OM352A. In the '60’s you needed power but reliability as well,which only the Sweeds could deliver,of course in those days you had to replace them regularly. And power on the paper is not Always the power in the montains or hilly roads.
I thing the third which could deliver a quality turbo engine was DAF with it’s 2800DKB.I do not speak about yank built engine only Europians. Of course Scania was much too late with a cabover,and Volvo even a year later with it’s American designed Tiptop 495.
Bye Eric,
Hi Tiptop, you are right, oil was the killer. The engineers were pushing on with design, but the oil companies could not provide the products to serve them. Berliet used the Eberspacher Turbo in the 50s, but lubrication killed it. In fact Transports Onatra “de turbo`d” some of their Berliets, and ran them at 150 hp as “straight” engines.!
Same problem for Willeme, in the end they gave up with Turbo`s and they went to AEC for a 200 plus HP motor. Mercedes bought their expertise from Hanomag-Henschel, (but killed the identity)!
Interesting period the 60`s, when you look at engine design world wide. Perhaps the Yanks got it right first of all…but did they?
Im away for (many), large Bollingers, weve cut a lot of Wheat today, and the yeild is good! And you know the Barley looks great, …and that is all going for Beer!!!
Cheerio for now.
bma.finland:
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Hi Benkku, hope all is well with the world for you!
Driving a Combine Harvester makes you concentrate very hard, but well into my 10th hour today, I began to think about the LB76, and that perhaps I should get a trailer for her to pull. But its no good with a British trailer, she was always French, so I will have to get an old French trailer, perhaps a Trailor Savoyard, (if there are any left, outside Africa)!
So when Harvest is over, I shall get on the telephone to some of my old French friends, to see what is rotting away in some corner of their yards!!
Your drawing is perfect, and makes me remember those “Swedish Monsters”, when we first saw them in the UK, by gum, they were big! (compared to an Atkinson).
Nice night here, sun again tommorow, I raise my Bollinger in your direction, Good luck
Cheerio for now.
