colinwallace1:
I see one of the registrations in the article Dean is 23 GJ 86. I took this one 23 GJ 98 to GDSF(2003 i think)
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23GJ88:
ramone:
harry_gill:
Lawrence Dunbar:
0Larry, didn’t Jakies retain a Crusader until quite recently for taking trailers
for test and the odd job around the doors, do they still have it ?.A totally different subject Harry but are you aware of the Bowker Atki in the HCVM at Leyland. It was driven by the same driver from day one until it was taken off the road . I can’t remember its age but it was a late 60s motor
Hiya,
Ramone, With reference to the Bowker Atki on show at Leyland I actually
drove the self same motor for one week when John ( who like you said
had the motor from new) But I went down to London passenger and run
his lorry for the time John was receiving medical examinations etc, the
motor was based in London working for MAT for most of it’s working life,
the Atki only had/has a 180 Gardner fitted and and my regular Atki was
fitted with a 220 ■■■■■■■ so found driving John’s motor hard work.
dazcapri:
Lawrence Dunbar:
harry_gill:
Lawrence Dunbar:
0Larry, didn’t Jakies retain a Crusader until quite recently for taking trailers
for test and the odd job around the doors, do they still have it ?.Hi Harry, They parted with all their Crusaders , They were replaced with Leyland Road Trains T 45 s, The first few were two axle Units, Then the rest that they got were all three axles, Regards Larry.
Glendinnings (not sure if that’s the correct spelling) had a Crusader for taking trailers to test could it be that one Harry is thinking of
Hiya,
No Dazcapri it was defo Addamsi I saw it many times and something was
written about it being retained for exactly that same job that I wrote
about it was nicely painted and signwritten and was always clean.
ERF-NGC-European:
NMP0
Roger Mortimore’s Detroit Crusader used to come in to Lenham for MOT every year. He always made sure that it needed the air built up between wheels on the RBT machine!
There is an article about it in an old Truck or Vintage Commercials Magazine.
cav551:
ERF-NGC-European:
NMPRoger Mortimore’s Detroit Crusader used to come in to Lenham for MOT every year. He always made sure that it needed the air built up between wheels on the RBT machine!
There is an article about it in an old Truck or Vintage Commercials Magazine.
All credit to Len Rogers for the photo.
Oily
Glendinnings (not sure if that’s the correct spelling) had a Crusader for taking trailers to test could it be that one Harry is thinking of
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Hiya,
No Dazcapri it was defo Addamsi I saw it many times and something was
written about it being retained for exactly that same job that I wrote
about it was nicely painted and signwritten and was always clean.
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I don’t remember the Adams one at all Harry like I said I remember the Glendinnings one and Gallachers old Foden Haulmaster (I think) for taking trailers to mot’s.I wouldn’t have minded seeing the Adams one I’m a bit of a Crusader fan because Dad drove one for Thomas Bros(Murton) on a tipper in about 1978/79.
Well IIRC ,Replaced those Crusaders in one go, I cant recall where they went, But I must say Old Jimmy Adams swore by them, Old Geordie Thomas the fitter at Adams in those days new more about Scammellls & Rolls Engines that any body did, I could go on forever on this subject, But Im not getting old I am old & hopping to continue , On this thread talking about the good old 50s onward times in the Haulage Game, Regards Larry.
harry_gill:
Hiya, Ramone, With reference to the Bowker Atki on show at Leyland I actually drove the self same motor for one week when John ( who like you said had the motor from new) But I went down to London passenger and run his lorry for the time John was receiving medical examinations etc, the motor was based in London working for MAT for most of it’s working life, the Atki only had/has a 180 Gardner fitted and and my regular Atki was fitted with a 220 ■■■■■■■ so found driving John’s motor hard work.
Bowker 47 operated on contract to MAT for the first 4 years of its life (initially on a B Licence), from 1967 to 71, and then joined the general fleet. The relationship with MAT started unravelling during that period as Bowker started to develop their own European business, in any case. 47 worked on the general fleet until 31/10/80, when it was finally retired, along with its driver, Johnny Hemelryk. Well, theoretically, because he was back the following week doing holiday cover, and then both he and the Atki returned to work, this time in Blackburn, in January 1983. John did yard shunting and empty trailer moves with the Atki until December 1985, when they both retired for good
240 Gardner:
harry_gill:
Hiya, Ramone, With reference to the Bowker Atki on show at Leyland I actually drove the self same motor for one week when John ( who like you said had the motor from new) But I went down to London passenger and run his lorry for the time John was receiving medical examinations etc, the motor was based in London working for MAT for most of it’s working life, the Atki only had/has a 180 Gardner fitted and and my regular Atki was fitted with a 220 ■■■■■■■ so found driving John’s motor hard work.Bowker 47 operated on contract to MAT for the first 4 years of its life (initially on a B Licence), from 1967 to 71, and then joined the general fleet. The relationship with MAT started unravelling during that period as Bowker started to develop their own European business, in any case. 47 worked on the general fleet until 31/10/80, when it was finally retired, along with its driver, Johnny Hemelryk. Well, theoretically, because he was back the following week doing holiday cover, and then both he and the Atki returned to work, this time in Blackburn, in January 1983. John did yard shunting and empty trailer moves with the Atki until December 1985, when they both retired for good
That’s a great end to the story , there is a write up on the stand next to the lorry. I think there’s another Bowker lorry in there too it could be a Leyland or i may have dreamt it
Whoever thought up this name for the Scammell must have been barmy. Completely ruled them out of Middle East sales I’d say. At least Alvis called their armoured car a Saladin!
Jazzandy:
Whoever thought up this name for the Scammell must have been barmy. Completely ruled them out of Middle East sales I’d say. At least Alvis called their armoured car a Saladin!
And Saladin is still revered for his defence against crusaders!
I’ve always been a huge fan of Crusaders. I’ve been reluctant to declare it on here, partly because I felt that tilting cabs were a pre-requisite for ‘modern’ trucking. However, I just love this over-engineered beast with its Eagle 3 Rolls engine and Fuller ‘box. The 10-sp & related 15-sp ‘box were available in the earlier 220 Rolls versions and in the heavy haulage 305-powered 6x4s.
But the more modern and flexible 9-sp Fuller were standard on the 4x2 RHD versions with a 280 bhp RR Eagle and optional on both RHD and LHD versions of both the civilian and military versions of the 6x4 Crusader with the RR Eagle 305 engine.
They were pretty spartan inside compared with the ERF European NGC with the same Motor Panels cab (which tilted, by the way), but I would love to run one down to the Mediterranean and back for a one-off trip.
BRS obviously thought highly of them, or they wouldn’t have commissioned them in the first place. Nor would the British armed services, who used them for many years.
Wonderful lorries IMHO!
I’ve been looking through a load of pics of Crusaders and it occurs to me that a lot of them have front-mounted exhausts under the cab.
No 6x4s appear to have this.
Nearly all 4x2s have them, from L-reg right through to V-reg.
Would I be right in thinking that Crusaders fitted with the RR 220 had rear-mounted exhausts and the RR 280 and 290 engined units had front-mounted ones?
Please advise!
Rowena
ERF-NGC-European:
I’ve been looking through a load of pics of Crusaders and it occurs to me that a lot of them have front-mounted exhausts under the cab.No 6x4s appear to have this.
Nearly all 4x2s have them, from L-reg right through to V-reg.
Would I be right in thinking that Crusaders fitted with the RR 220 had rear-mounted exhausts and the RR 280 and 290 engined units had front-mounted ones?
Please advise!
Rowena
The Crusader I drove had the 220 R/R engine fitted. The exhaust was at the front and the tail pipe was bent down towards the ground. I had it new and the first thing I did was to cut the bend off as it blew dust up in our yard. Norman had the first Crusader home, also the 220 and cut the end of the exhaust pipe off on that as well.
If you double click on the photos it shows it clearly.
sandway:
ERF-NGC-European:
I’ve been looking through a load of pics of Crusaders and it occurs to me that a lot of them have front-mounted exhausts under the cab.No 6x4s appear to have this.
Nearly all 4x2s have them, from L-reg right through to V-reg.
Would I be right in thinking that Crusaders fitted with the RR 220 had rear-mounted exhausts and the RR 280 and 290 engined units had front-mounted ones?
Please advise!
Rowena
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The Crusader I drove had the 220 R/R engine fitted. The exhaust was at the front and the tail pipe was bent down towards the ground. I had it new and the first thing I did was to cut the bend off as it blew dust up in our yard. Norman had the first Crusader home, also the 220 and cut the end of the exhaust pipe off on that as well.
If you double click on the photos it shows it clearly.
Thanks for that Sandway! You weren’t one of those who blew all the empty milk bottles off people’s doorsteps first thing in the morning were you? 