Hi Saviem, my worst punishment when having misbehave as a boy, my father sent me to my bed room and there I had to stay, would rather have had the whack and stayed outside in the sun. Bread and water only in confinement but lucky for me Mother was not so harsh and would sneak me in some thing nice when the old man was not looking.
Same sugar trick I recall being played on our old head at secondry school, nothing to do with me but wish I had thought of it, cheers Buzzer.
But look at the bigger picture, Saviem: if you hadn’t received all those beatings you wouldn’t have grown up into the agricultural entrepreneur that we all know and love.
In fact, things could have been so bad that you could still have been trying to scratch a living with one of these-
Retired Old ■■■■:
But look at the bigger picture, Saviem: if you hadn’t received all those beatings you wouldn’t have grown up into the agricultural entrepreneur that we all know and love.
In fact, things could have been so bad that you could still have been trying to scratch a living with one of these-
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Have you been mooching round Llandudno ROF?,ta,Pete
pete smith:
Retired Old ■■■■:
But look at the bigger picture, Saviem: if you hadn’t received all those beatings you wouldn’t have grown up into the agricultural entrepreneur that we all know and love.
In fact, things could have been so bad that you could still have been trying to scratch a living with one of these-Have you been mooching round Llandudno ROF?,ta,Pete
How did you guess, Pete?
Sorry, been SO busy lately let this thread slip…hope to get back to it soon with some more photo’s…
All drivers (except Riggers, who’s being a pain) and coaches well, based in les halles in central Paris, earning a few centimes for the election fund… 
i suppose i’m for the sack again before the job go going . story of my life ! i once had an employer knock on the door on a saturday night , not to divulge the circumstances , " here’s your weeks money , your sacked " . i dutifully gave him the keys to the lorry and shut the door . where is it parked ( shouted through the door ) your lorry , you find it was my reply . a couple of phone calls on sunday and i started a new job monday morning . no cv , no interview , no assessment , how did we survive . dave
rigsby:
i suppose i’m for the sack again before the job go going . story of my life ! i once had an employer knock on the door on a saturday night , not to divulge the circumstances , " here’s your weeks money , your sacked " . i dutifully gave him the keys to the lorry and shut the door . where is it parked ( shouted through the door ) your lorry , you find it was my reply . a couple of phone calls on sunday and i started a new job monday morning . no cv , no interview , no assessment , how did we survive . dave
Of course we survived Dave.We came from a breed of strong hairy bottomed men! My best sacking was back in 1960.I was working for a small haulage man here in Alton.On the Monday I was working in the yard rubbing down a trailer ready for painting. About 1100 the man himself turned up in his Jag. " Get a spade and fork and put it in the boot" Which I did.He then told me to get in the car.When I asked where we were going he told me we were going to his house to dig his garden.When I told him I was a driver not a bloody gardener, he sacked me! I got on my motorbike and went up the road to another haulier.By 12 o’clock I was on my way to Plymouth. Good old days eh? Regards Charlie 
charlie one:
rigsby:
i suppose i’m for the sack again before the job go going . story of my life ! i once had an employer knock on the door on a saturday night , not to divulge the circumstances , " here’s your weeks money , your sacked " . i dutifully gave him the keys to the lorry and shut the door . where is it parked ( shouted through the door ) your lorry , you find it was my reply . a couple of phone calls on sunday and i started a new job monday morning . no cv , no interview , no assessment , how did we survive . daveOf course we survived Dave.We came from a breed of strong hairy bottomed men! My best sacking was back in 1960.I was working for a small haulage man here in Alton.On the Monday I was working in the yard rubbing down a trailer ready for painting. About 1100 the man himself turned up in his Jag. " Get a spade and fork and put it in the boot" Which I did.He then told me to get in the car.When I asked where we were going he told me we were going to his house to dig his garden.When I told him I was a driver not a bloody gardener, he sacked me! I got on my motorbike and went up the road to another haulier.By 12 o’clock I was on my way to Plymouth. Good old days eh? Regards Charlie
Charlie I heard a rumour you aint no good at painting garden fences either, cant say who told me Buzzer.
Blast it Buzzer. I thought I’d got away with it. Jimski told me that he is sick of waiting for me. He is going to have a new fence put up with the profit he has made from his model making enterprise.Regards Charlie
Latil with Gardner licensed engine from the beginning 50th.
michel:
Latil with Gardner licensed engine from the beginning 50th.
Complete with Hi-Line sleeper cab…and l thought Volvo invented them…
Bet you could stand up in that, and it had double bunks perhaps, all in the '50’s… 
Just look what the Brits were running around in the '50’s and '60’s…
michel:
Latil with Gardner licensed engine from the beginning 50th.
Evening all, michel, what can one say…just a beautiful lorry. I think that it was the sight and sound of such magnificent creations, plus the beautiful countryside, (and I daresay Europes most feminine women) that made me fall in love with “La Belle”.
As Fergie says…remember what we in the UK ran in the 50s! But the specifications were dictated by the “rule makers”, who could only see the lorry as a servant, and accessory to the railways…but the same happened in France…and Germany…but Italy , (being Italy), was totally undecided…so made its lorries look like Railway Trains with lots of axles…to carry lots of weight!!!
Now, while I have been busy with the Sileage, my mind has wandered, (frequently), and I think that I have remembered the most stylish vehicles for us all to use…(but I bet no one has a picture of either the freight carrier…or the majestic passenger version), the creations of Voitures Roval , from Rue Du Bois, Levallois- Perret.
The most stately of vehicles, whose “chauffeur” sits in splendid isolation, above, and to the rear of his passengers in their coach built cabin, whilst he, enjoying the benifits of full and total “air conditioning”, would be able to view with utter superiority the “antics” of lesser road users, as they strove to avoid his powerful progress afforded by his single cylinder De Dion-Bouton 9hp engine…surely around the maximum power for us “able geriatrics” to cope with!!
And the enclosed freight version would make Buzzer rush to his cheque book, for surely these are the way todays European transport should go…and do I recall that the freight version could be specified with weather protection, (somewhat similar to that offered by messers Windridge on their De Luxe Perambulators…
Ishall enjoy several medium Bollingers, whil`st I try to recall if , somewhere I have a photograph of one of Voiture Rovals creations…
Cheeerio for now.
hey, Here two
1, as it arrived in '45 ( 6x6 petrol truck )
2, converted ( 4x2 diesel artic )
cheers Eric,
tiptop495:
hey fergie, And the Dutch invented the top sleeperCheers Eric,
Eric…bet he never got too much time to sleep in it ! he’d be busy filling it up at every petrol station he passed I should think, probably about 2 miles per gallon…
Here’s a wise man, especially if they were full of Bolinger
You either love 'em or hate 'em, but they were so much of the French scene at one time, the 2CV camionnette
I love em…
I know they’re not Saviems, not even French trucks, but it was hauling this 600 ton load in France.
Imagine having to do a pre morning check, oil, water, and oh! best check the tyre pressures and wheel nuts…that’ll be 2 days work then…3 X M.A.N. and a Scania…
Fergie47:
tiptop495:
hey fergie, And the Dutch invented the top sleeperCheers Eric,
Eric…bet he never got too much time to sleep in it ! he’d be busy filling it up at every petrol station he passed I should think, probably about 2 miles per gallon…
Here’s a wise man, especially if they were full of Bolinger
Hey Fergie, looks real French, as we call it a “Pinardier”.
But the White was from factory already a ■■■■■■■■ diesel HB600 150hp, other who made the same model
in 6x6 as White did too were 200hp petrol engined, here we called it 100km is 100liters of fuel
Cheers Eric,
Evening all, fergie, 2CVs…loved them…then a “modern” picture of Transports SCALES…long time since I was in their yard and offices.
Lovely people, long history, and they ran some AEC powered Willeme 6x4s. Set me thinking about Heavy Haulage in France…it grew far more than in the UK due to the post WW2 rebuilding, and then the enormous investments by EDF in both Atomic, and natural generation of power.
Gary De Favies, STSI, (part of the SNCF rail system), carried the Worlds largest ever passenger carrying Submarine to Lac Leman in Suisse behind two still armour plated Pacific “Dragon Waggons”!!! Then there was SGTS, another Pacific M26A1 user,(an amalgamation under the French Railways, SNCF, of Gary De Favies, and Bourgey Montreuils)pulling wonderful Nicolas 9 axle,( single axle dolly, coupled to a twin axle dolly, then a suspended drop frame load carrier, supported at the rear by a three axle dolly, coupled to a twin axle 1400x24 tyred dolly)!!!..And we thought that in the UK we knew how to carry weight!!!
Dessirier H Zucchoni, perhaps the French Wynns…my job was to keep them happy with their TBO Berliets at 100 tonnes plus, but my heart and soul were lost to the PRP Willeme 8x8s whose soulfull song of those KTA ■■■■■■■ …but my friend Jacques Mayer at Nancy had 8x4, as well as 8x8 Willemes with Detroit V 12s…and the workshop took out the auto boxes and replaced them with 12 speed Fullers…(better suited to the Detroits quick “die down” Robert Marchal, Jacques Head of the Workshop quietly explained to me), but the second hand one that they purchased with a Mercedes V12 OM404…had a manuel ZF box…and sounded as ashmatic as any V Mercedes I ever heard…but as ever utterly reliable!
Then of course came Scales, and the amalgamation Scalex…what outfits…I still have on my office wall, a signed photograph, signed by all the drivers and crews, of the Scalex Berliet TBO, 335 ■■■■■■■■ their TG200 6x4 Willeme, TG 250 8x4 Willeme, and 8x8 TG250, coupled together with some enormous bit of French Nuclear Equipment on a 16 line Nicolas module…spent many enjoyable hours…and days with Scalex did I!!!
But I suppose my heart was won by a peculiar monster operated by STAG fom Argenteuil…a WW2 Diamond T 981, (number 10 in their fleet if my memory is correct), fitted with a rather splendid hi roof sleeper cab, (very similar to the one on the Latil in miche`s picture), but the appearance ha been totally altered by the fitment of a BerlietTBO Bonnet and radiator!!! And the Berliet style badge read…Diamond…and she was retro fitted with an HB ■■■■■■■■■■■ @ 150 hp, and normally coupled to an ex US army Rogers 45/50 ton trailer.
But if Im honest the big Berliet TBOs even with Berliet Ricardo motors were spectacular pullers…but even more so with a ■■■■■■■ 335 and 13 speed…every bit as good as any Scamm, and our "little V8 Saviem SM340s would easily handle 150 tonnes plus…and of course the “comfortable” Berliet TR356s, and 360s were great at up to 200tonnes, (plus)! but better with a Telma fitted!!!
Im away to a fresh Bollinger, and to reflect on many,many hours spent with French Heavy Haulers…
Cheerio for now.
tiptop495:
Fergie47:
tiptop495:
hey fergie, And the Dutch invented the top sleeperCheers Eric,
Eric…bet he never got too much time to sleep in it ! he’d be busy filling it up at every petrol station he passed I should think, probably about 2 miles per gallon…
Here’s a wise man, especially if they were full of Bolinger
Hey Fergie, looks real French, as we call it a “Pinardier”.
But the White was from factory already a ■■■■■■■■ diesel HB600 150hp, other who made the same model
in 6x6 as White did too were 200hp petrol engined, here we called it
100km is 100liters of fuel
Cheers Eric,
Eric…Makes my old Peugeot 406 look good, at 5.5 litres per 100 kms…