Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

harry_gill:

Fergie47:

Bewick:
“HE” will ride you Dave if you go down on all fours :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Those Rough Fell Tups aren’t fussy mate :laughing: :laughing: Cheers Dennis.

Don’t think I’m ready for that Den… :blush: .“HE” looks a bit fierce to me, them’s tough looking suckers up Norf aint 'em… :blush: Don’t think I’d bend down to pick up a 'alfpenny if I lived up your way… :unamused:

Here’s the Saviem supportes club. Not quite sure who’s driving, could be the Old ■■■■ or Harry…

hiya,
Can’t do the driving sorry never bothered with a P.S.V.
thanks harry, long retired.

Harry should not worry about your P.S.V. they only make rules up over there which they seem to all be exempt from, cheers Buzzer.

hiya,
Still got my old fellah’s badge that used to get me free food in the motorway services
many moons ago if you was on nights and could dress tidy, flash the badge it was
always behind the lapel never any questions asked, worked every time.
thanks harry, long retired.

I suppose I’ll have to own up and admit to being the carrier of a Big Red Badge in years gone by. Like Harry, I confess that I did use it occasionally in Motorway services ( before the days of “cardboard food”) but I took my overalls off before I went in to the restaurant.
If you get really stuck for a driver for that fine example of the French bodymaker’s art, I’ll have a root around in the shed & see if I can find the badge. Of course, this would depend on both the Minister of Transport and the Finance Minister coming to a mutually satisfying amount of remuneration.

French “Truck of the week” for our Leige to give us the info… :question:

Saviems in Films or TV…

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Regards
Andy

OldishJoda:
Saviems in Films or TV…

h**p://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Saviem.html

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Regards
Andy

Good link Andy… :wink:

Fergie47:
French “Truck of the week” for our Leige to give us the info… :question:

How come you got in on the shot Dave? Dennis.

It’s a WILLEME LD 610 with the short sleeper cab. It seems that the name at the front of the semi-trailer is EIGNER who was a East of France charterer involved mostly in iron haulage.
The truck belonged to an Alsacian small operator,not far from germany which could explains the T.I.R sign on the bumper.

michel:
It’s a WILLEME LD 610 with the short sleeper cab. It seems that the name at the front of the semi-trailer is EIGNER who was a East of France charterer involved mostly in iron haulage.
The truck belonged to an Alsacian small operator,not far from germany which could explains the T.I.R sign on the bumper.

Thanks Michel…good info…Do you know what power? Did Willeme make the engine? around 200 hp ?

Willeme had a Deutz licensed engine which dated before the war when the German OEM still built water cooled engines.
The bonneted ‘Nez de Requin’ was launched at the Paris show in 1952 and developed 175 hp, then in 1957 the power was 195 hp and with the turbo option you could obtain 255 hp which was the most powerful French engine at that time.
You could see more photos on the WILLEME post .

Evening all, what a week,…and not just my internet problems, which of course are ongoing…and of little significance in the real world,

We have been frantic, consolidating loads of fodder to send down to flooded Somerset…amazing how our media concentrate on the suffering close to London, and simply forget, (probably due to ignorance, for they are an ignorant lot), the real tragedy affecting the Farming community…and not of their making. People are losing generations of work, livelehoods gone forever, losses that cannot be measured in £££££££. And there is no organised help…if it was in some Godforsaken African country…well the media would be out in force…But here…its only farmers, (and they are rich so, and so`s) total ignorance, and we all will reap the “rewards”.

We have done our little bit, and Im proud of what we have done, but my heart aches for what has been allowed to happen through gross incompetence, and “political” meddling, what a shambolic country we have become!!

Now David, "bib and brace overalls were smart wear when I started driving, (but they always looked better when they were well washed and faded. I always wore them…and a collar and tie, for looking smart could always get you through “doors” often closed!

Same when I first started driving in France, and down to sunny Italy…bib and brace, polished boots, collar and tie,…but the tie often came loose after Lyon, or Bordeaux…even a Foden S20 cab could get a little warm!!! Odd , Ive still got bib and brace overalls, but tend to wear a cravat now, after all I own the kit Im driving!

But thinking about the clothing I have worn to drive over the years…the T shirt, “je suis un routier tres muscle”, the Berliet driving coats…with a large “Turbo Cockrel” badge, those cheap pale blue Volvo anoraks, and the (very) padded Scania ones, (that was a deal for a Saviem suitcase, with some Swedish Gentlemen on one of Pat`s Eurotests)…as was the Fiat travelling bag…and the MAN suit bag and hanger…but perhaps the best deal was the complete dinner set, in fine bone china, complete with discreet Mercedes Benz insignia…AND a truly Teutonic Alarm clock…for a number of Mack Anoraks…and weve still got the remenants in the office today!

Our friend Michel has filled you in on the details of that handsome “nez de requin” shark nose Willeme…and so he should for his son has a beautiful example.Photographs do not do justice to this wonderful lorry. As Michel says the one on the photograph is the short single sleeper, model UC, 60 cms longer was the UB with two berths, easy to spot with it`s extra sleeper window. The day cab was the U, all built by Carrosserie Levallois, but Willeme also constructed a version for their public works products by utilising the side and rear panels of the "Sahara " cab by Geneve, coupled to the "nez de requin " nose.

When I was working from Marseille some of Soc Sita-Baldoni`s 4x2 LD610T tractors were still in service pulling their petrol tanks, and occasionally when I was visiting Tpts Mayer at Nancy I would see one of the rare Tpts SORETRA tankers from Metz, with their big tropical air cleaners mounted on their nose.

Michel has given a brief resume of the Willeme engines,4,6, & 8 cylinder in lines shared identical bore and stroke at 130x170mm. It was only as the market requirements for more HP became vital, that Willeme turbocharged the 518 series. As Michel states it gave a resounding 255hp…but like so many early turbo engines lacked reliability!

Willeme was a producer of quality engineered lorries, but in volume manufacturing terms was quite small at around 400 units per annum, (Berliet were producing 8/10000 units per annum in the 50/60s). Size wise Willeme was similar to , (my other great love), Bernard…in fact Louis Willeme, and Eduard Bernard were personal friends.

To gain more financial weight, there was a short lived production agreement with Unic in `58, which gave birth to the handsome, twin headlight, Unic hybrid LU610T, “nez de requin”, but that only lasted 18 months, and served to loose both partners customers!

Then 62, there was the AEC tie up, (some of the very last nez de requin`s were AEC powered), and the tie up with BMC on middleweights…this could have gone oh so much further, (and who could guess what could have been achieved) but our Lancastrian friends killed it dead…as they did so much else!!!

Willeme, Le Roi des poids lourds,…truly the king of the heavies…

Im away to a couple of glasses of 84, not a bad Bollinger…and remember those beautiful Shark Nose Willemes!

Cheerio for now.

A short PS, the AEC engine Willemes, 690. or 760, were a great success, and highly valued. Despite the high price of a really hand assembled lorry, Willeme became the core vehicle for so many fleets. The AEC power plant was mainly found under the “new” 62, Horizon cab, a beautiful design from Rene Harvey, who after the demise of Willeme in 1970 worked with Perez et Raimond, who licence built the amazing TG Willeme range, (PRP Willeme), 150----1000tonnes gtw… The Horizon cab was built by Bourg en Bresse based Cottard, and following their demise was adapted into a tilt version by Pelpel, at Noyal sur Vilane, and eventually found its way onto the TG range in short sleeper, or crew cab form.

Back to my Bollinger!

Cheerio for now.

I think l can speak for a lot of your “fans” here…
Considering how busy you are, thanks for time, great info on a great lorry, and thanks to Michel for his imput as well…This thread will turn out to be the most interesting on French trucks…and a bit of sillyness on the side…best of both worlds … :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Fergie47:
I think l can speak for a lot of your “fans” here…
Considering how busy you are, thanks for time, great info on a great lorry, and thanks to Michel for his imput as well…This thread will turn out to be the most interesting on French trucks…and a bit of sillyness on the side…best of both worlds … :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

hiya,
Yea’ Fergie a little bit of idiocy is a must, I once heard it said that one
of the qualifications to becoming a lorry driver (may be different if a
trucker is your choice of title) was to be round the bend not essential,
but I found it always helped, viva la crackpot. :laughing: :laughing: :unamused:
thanks harry, long retired.

Saviem:
WeNow David, "bib and brace overalls were smart wear when I started driving, (but they always looked better when they were well washed and faded. I always wore them…and a collar and tie, for looking smart could always get you through “doors” often closed!
Cheerio for now.

Still do John…de rigueur, for the Breton tractor driver…

Bewick:

Fergie47:
French “Truck of the week” for our Leige to give us the info… :question:

How come you got in on the shot Dave? Dennis.

I was young, and needed the money !!

I knew I had one of you somewhere Den…took ages to find it…not sure who the young’un is, but thats definately you with old Hazel Grove !! :wink:

very impressive fergie , de luxe bib and brace with a zipped breast pocket to stop your ( bulging ) wallet escaping . last time i saw one of those little fergies was in the wilds of the highlands with an ageing crofter tilling his field . i go every year and he is still using it .

Those Bib and brace overalls look brand new to me :blush: and Dave’s been wearing them for a month :open_mouth: so he’s obviously the G’uvnor and he’s told the Bretton tractor driver to ■■■■ off and get his “brew” while Dave has his photy taken.Oh! and that hay crop looks a bit light probably only yield about 2 bales from all 4 acres :blush: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wink:Dennis.

I’ll get the night trunker to drop you one of these baby’s off to-night Dave,we only signed for two :wink: Cheers Dennis.

Here’s a shot of a proper working man in overalls,mid-day Sunday changing over at Lincoln Farm early 70’s :slight_smile: :wink: Dennis