Yes there is Fergie I once had a 16 ton rigid Albion super Clydesdale, ergomatic cab MYD 809 E ex Sparks think they were in Glastonbury was a lovely motor and later I bought a 141 from Unit Commercial again ex Sparks but the Albion was the one I would have kept but you don’t think about it at the time you just move on to the next motor, JD.
Yes there is Fergie I once had a 16 ton rigid Albion super Clydesdale, ergomatic cab MYD 809 E ex Sparks think they were in Glastonbury was a lovely motor and later I bought a 141 from Unit Commercial again ex Sparks but the Albion was the one I would have kept but you don’t think about it at the time you just move on to the next motor, JD.
AEC Mercury, ergo cabbed skip lorry. Drove just like a coach. But for “macho”, the 290 F88!
Before that, I’d probably go for the Big J, 205 ■■■■■■■■
My Constructor 8 wheeler tipper.used it for 13 years it never let me down.
Hi Dave,
My old Leyland Octopus timber wagon HUR 768 L I brought from Mr.Rolls in Somerset,or my old AEC Marshall timber wagon KUH 787 F I had when Buzzer was also on the round timber,and you were on Jim Squibbs
Regards
Richard
MaggieD:
Hi Dave,My old Leyland Octopus timber wagon HUR 768 L I brought from Mr.Rolls in Somerset,or my old AEC Marshall timber wagon KUH 787 F I had when Buzzer was also on the round timber,and you were on Jim Squibbs
Regards
Richard
That’s surprising Richard, four replies, and all of you have gone for the old British motors…except buzzer, who voted twice !!!.. 
Lorries we wished we had kept…oh dear…I have a few…
Ford Cargo 4x2 sleeper tractor unit with an L10 ■■■■■■■■ reliable, economic… sweet to drive…light, and so manoeurverable, probably reminded me of the F86 Volvos. I really liked those Cargos, had some drawbars as well, again good earners, and sold well when I d finished with theml…but I should have kept that little Cargo she was a dream!
Then there was the utterly reliable MAN 232…never cost a penny to run, and did millions of kilometers, and always looked so smart. Should never have sold her!
But probably the one that makes my heart ache the most…the little Foden S20 with her 4LK Gardner, she took me all over France and Italy in the `60s and only let me down once. Boy I really loved that lorry, the views that I saw through those beautifully curved windscreens are still clear to me today…and that cab, like riding through Europe in an Edwardian Railway Carriage…the smell of warm oil, and polished wood…luxury indeed…and so much warmer than the “plastic pig” Micky Mouse S21 that came later…mind you that had real power…a 150 Gardner…and a 12 speed box!
When the family came out of Haulage in 70, she was still going, but I never had a chance at buying her…straight to Furbers, and my cousin had his “notes”…she deserved better!
But I still have fond memories of the families AEC Marshall 6x2…(.except when empty, and trying to reverse into some impossible Birmingham`s factory entrance, off a steep cambered road…always ended up with the drive axle wheels spinning helplessly)…
…But so comfortable to drive, mile after mile, warm cab, and the best opening window mechanism ever…That Ergomatic cab I thought it one of the finest driving enviroments of its time, and really sure footed on bendy Scottish Highland roads!
Odd is it not, you can own/drive the most exotic of machines, but they do not always give you the memories!
Neversweat, thanks for those pictures of the GBH…could it be the same lorry?..I remember RT&B being sent the Berliet badged version…but I did not know of the Renault badged one. I do recall they had difficulty trying to sell the Berliet because of her nett cost against the Magirus…perhaps the lorry was rebadged, and re liveried when Karrier Motors, (Renault & Dodge), came into being?
If she was a genuine Renault GBH, then she would have had the Renault Direct Injection into the 12 litre,not the MAN patent Magic of the Berliet. Sounded quite different to the ear, quite a few more horses as well, and the GVW went up 2.5 tonnes to 34 tonnes, (not that was of any significance to quarry operator)! Where were the Renault pictures taken? I can see that the man by the tailboard had the later black and Red Renault issue Anorak to wear!
Fergie & Michel, thanks for the Borel images, their operation was really quite something, and their workshops, and the expertse of their staff quite outstanding. They knew the Berliet product inside out. Some of their 10 litre tractors were ultra light, both in Relax cab, and bonneted form. The trailer fleet was just as interesting, not least those Polymer Silos, some were so large that at first one would assume them to be “illegal”…but they were not…but they maxed out the dimensional regulations!
Borel ran some very spectacular lorry mounted Cranes as well…
But its bed time…and my last Bollinger calls!
Cheerio for now.
“How fast can you go driver, ? I’ll finish me ■■■, then we’re off”
I’m surprised he’s not got “convoy exceptional” boards up, and no sign of an ■■■■■■ car…maybe before the time you needed them ?
Nice old pic’s though…
Interesting pics, as usual! The “thing” is not, as I at first thought, a transformer, but a big boiler manufactured by a firm based in Paris. Maybe even built in Paris as, at that time, there were still a few factories in Paris “intra-muros” (inner Paris). On the second picture, in the background, it looks like a Pelpel-cabbed Willème; on the right, an Unic. The 2CV is a post-1960 model. Maybe Michel could tell us more?
Morning all,
Gosh, those are atmospheric pictures Fergie! Look at the drivers shoes!
Froggy`s correct that is an LD Willeme in the background shot number two. But the really interesting picture is the last one, it shows the “adapted” ex M9 Rogers 45 ton tank transport trailer, with its 16 wheel, (8.25x15 tyres) bogie, as used by Kaiser, and also Coder in their adaptions of these drawbar trailers into low bed semis.
I think that the original idea came from M Montreuil, (Bourgey et Montreuil of Grenoble), and was built by Kaiser. Certainly Mayer of Nancy had one, (but a heavier duty version than the one shown on Fergies pictures).
The Heavy Haulage industry in France, and their adaption of surplus USA equipment is a fascinating story. Some really clever engineering took place!
Cheerio for now.
Fergie 47
Hi Dave
In answer to your earlier ■■ vehicles I should kept 358ETN or tiny TOT
DISPATCHER:
Fergie 47Hi Dave
In answer to your earlier ■■ vehicles I should kept 358ETN or tiny TOT
Chris, whatever happened to ETN…did it survive…?
sorry to interupt this thread last I saw of ETN Dave, was on YOUTUBE the guy who had it must of sold it on it was taken away
then some where i saw a phote which only showed the chassis and ballast box
DISPATCHER:
sorry to interupt this thread last I saw of ETN Dave, was on YOUTUBE the guy who had it must of sold it on it was taken away
then some where i saw a phote which only showed the chassis and ballast box
Don’t think you need to apologise Chris, the beauty of this thread is its about anything with wheels on, and sometimes not even wheels, like the potato discussion not so long back…we’ve had horses, motor bikes, cars, vans, tractors, trailers, even ploughs…so no worries there, especially about ETN,
one of the iconic heavies of the past…
For those who don’t know her, put a pic or two up…she can share the space with the Willems, Diamond T’s, and Pacifics…I’d like to see some of them again… even though I worked on her all those years back, a motor I’m not, along with the Antar, liable to forget…
Hi Dave try page 234 long departed so’ton hauliers
Going through replies of correspondence I had(2012) with people I wrote to for permission to use from their photo collections and re-visiting, I came upon this one from the T. Brad Dunkin Collection taken in Canada, the dealer, Peninsula Trucks of Welland Ontario ,perhaps Saviem can “spec” this 1961 model
Oily
To me this looks like an early-generation TBO which as far as I know would have been shaken by Berliet’s in-house 15-litre 6-in-line engine rated at 300hp.
Later versions were fitted with the relax cab and uprated to 320hp.
But maybe I have this abyssmally wrong and Monsieur Saviem (whom I still hope will run for Président de la République at the next election) will put me right…
An old Berliet furniture lorry.
oiltreader:
Going through replies of correspondence I had(2012) with people I wrote to for permission to use from their photo collections and re-visiting, I came upon this one from the T. Brad Dunkin Collection taken in Canada, the dealer, Peninsula Trucks of Welland Ontario ,perhaps Saviem can “spec” this 1961 model
Oily
By gum Oily, those are handsome lorries, and big girls, look like they are on 1400x24s, wonder if they were for Oil Field use?
As David says early TBOs from the 50s, 14778 litre Ricardo injection 240 hp, (ran up to 300 with a turbo), 35 tonnes in code, 55 tonnes “Hors Code”, but the TBO 15M6x4.95 ran up to 95 tonnes. Running a 3.7 m wb, they would net weigh around the 12 tonne mark. Incredibly strong, and able to handle unbelievable amounts of abuse/overloading, a real classic Heavy Hauler.
But the next version, with the adapted Relax cab, (far better driving environment), and MAN licence “Magic” injection would give 320 hp, gained a tonne in unladen weight, and was…indestructible…what a lorry…and a “peach” to drive, she became the mainstay of French Heavy Haulage operators…as well as the Army…but that is where the concept for the original TBO/GBO came from…a new Tank Transporter for France…and out with the American Pacifics…and their thirsty Hall and Scott 17.9 litre petrol powered engines…
So out they went…and into French Heavy Haulage Fleets…then came the TBOs…
Sort of a roundabout recycling !
Cheerio for now.
