Safe load?

nick2008:

Saaamon:
As long as the bags are tight against each other and something like sand it’s ok, although personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces.

So its ok but you’d

personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces

make your mind up its good or not …
We always fly’d ours then roped between making it safe, seed can be just as bad any liquid.

What I ment and agree didn’t make clear, is that I’d rope it to satisfy vosa, so whether I’d bother would depend on where I was travelling, East Angila no, Manchester yes.I do agree with you about seed.

Saaamon:

nick2008:

Saaamon:
As long as the bags are tight against each other and something like sand it’s ok, although personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces.

So its ok but you’d

personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces

make your mind up its good or not …
We always fly’d ours then roped between making it safe, seed can be just as bad any liquid.

What I ment and agree didn’t make clear, is that I’d rope it to satisfy vosa, so whether I’d bother would depend on where I was travelling, East Angila no, Manchester yes.I do agree with you about seed.

but surly if your 100% sure its 100% safe and legal why bother ■■ just because you want to satisfy Vosa is not an answer really is it :exclamation:
or is it your not confident enough if taken to task about it you wouldn’t win ( take out the argument about time attending court or what ever ) in put if you got pulled and had a mobile court room with an independent legal council would you still run the risk :question: :question:

Who,s this VOSA then?
A bunch of mechanics who know eff all about how to load motors or secure loads,but have been sent on a power trip to mess up drivers lives.
And the load looks ok to me,its going nowhere.

Yes nick. In the circumstances you describe, I wouldn’t hesitate because that load is safe as houses.

But back in the real world if you pulled into a VOSA checkpoint they would be oiling you up as you climbed out of the cab :open_mouth:

It seems to me that this thread just about somes up the state of affairs we find the industry in now, all this pi… & wind about a load that any one with a few miles under their belt would at one time taken and delivered no prob. However we all know that the job is so full of regs ect all with the basic aim of money making at our expense, having said that those who go on about straps all your straps are certified and load rated are they? your companies have the necessary paperwork in place ? they have all had weekly/ monthly checks? cos if some jobsworth at vosa wants to do you they will and their is sweet F all you can do about it. Admittedly you can take all the precautions necessary not to get caught out but at the end of the day its down to the man in yellow on the day, and if he says " in my opinion " black is white thats that and even if you appeal and win then its you thats had the hassel not him. Its been said over 30 years ago that you couldnt get in a waggon without breaking the law and it hasnt got any easier, its just sad that its got to the stage that we are eating oneanother and as if we havnt got enough folk videoing/ photographing watching every move we do it to ourselves. You want to photo/video? then photo the ■■■■■ parking facilities, the waiting rooms at some of the RDC,s the attitude of some of the customers, police, vosa men , car park attendants that you come across but a man parked up minding his own …

norfolk:
It seems to me that this thread just about somes up the state of affairs we find the industry in now, all this pi… & wind about a load that any one with a few miles under their belt would at one time taken and delivered no prob. However we all know that the job is so full of regs ect all with the basic aim of money making at our expense, having said that those who go on about straps all your straps are certified and load rated are they? your companies have the necessary paperwork in place ? they have all had weekly/ monthly checks? cos if some jobsworth at vosa wants to do you they will and their is sweet F all you can do about it. Admittedly you can take all the precautions necessary not to get caught out but at the end of the day its down to the man in yellow on the day, and if he says " in my opinion " black is white thats that and even if you appeal and win then its you thats had the hassel not him. Its been said over 30 years ago that you couldnt get in a waggon without breaking the law and it hasnt got any easier, its just sad that its got to the stage that we are eating oneanother and as if we havnt got enough folk videoing/ photographing watching every move we do it to ourselves. You want to photo/video? then photo the [zb] parking facilities, the waiting rooms at some of the RDC,s the attitude of some of the customers, police, vosa men , car park attendants that you come across but a man parked up minding his own …

Well said

jay0:
What a pro :exclamation: I bet he can drive a twin splitter too :sunglasses:

Hahaha, last time I carried baggged agregates, I was driving a twin splitter, and no it wasn’t strapped but it was in a curtainsider :grimacing:

jay0:
What a pro :exclamation: I bet he can drive a twin splitter too :sunglasses:

Hahaha, last time I carried baggged agregates, I was driving a twin splitter, and no it wasn’t strapped but it was in a curtainsider :grimacing:

Silver_Surfer:
See, this thread is an example of lads not knowing what to strap so just strapping everything even if it’s not needed.

That load is as safe as houses. A lot of stuff going over is down to the muppet behind the wheel taking the rounders too fast.

I’ve said it before, you’ll have to strap your johnson to your leg soon just to get in the cab.

I appreciate as someone else said recently that it’s a catch all approach by vosa just so that overkill might seep through to the imbeciles who don’t strap the stuff that needs strapping.

I totally agree with S S here, drive it like a wagon should be driven & not a ■■■■■ racing car (like some do) and that load wont move.
I’ve carried countless loads like this & even sometimes just roped the back 2… loads never moved.
Pancho (34+ years exp.)

I think the thing here is this,
Is the load safe? Yes, in the hands of a steady driver that load will travel anywhere and not move, assuming its sand.

Is the load ok for a vosa tug? No it’s not but unless it’s strapped with certified, tagged and monthly inspected straps, it still won’t be.

The bigger question here for me is, who is more qualified to judge it safe, a driver who hauls it everyday or a vosa employee who doesn’t?

kitbuilder123:
who is more qualified to judge it safe, a driver who hauls it everyday or a vosa employee who doesn’t?

Mind

There’s a lot of drivers out there I wouldn’t trust with a Tesco trolley full with empty cans :wink:

nick2008:

Saaamon:

nick2008:

Saaamon:
As long as the bags are tight against each other and something like sand it’s ok, although personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces.

So its ok but you’d

personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces

make your mind up its good or not …
We always fly’d ours then roped between making it safe, seed can be just as bad any liquid.

What I ment and agree didn’t make clear, is that I’d rope it to satisfy vosa, so whether I’d bother would depend on where I was travelling, East Angila no, Manchester yes.I do agree with you about seed.

but surly if your 100% sure its 100% safe and legal why bother ■■ just because you want to satisfy Vosa is not an answer really is it :exclamation:
or is it your not confident enough if taken to task about it you wouldn’t win ( take out the argument about time attending court or what ever ) in put if you got pulled and had a mobile court room with an independent legal council would you still run the risk :question: :question:

I don’t really get what your having a go at me for, I’m happy that load is safe and wouldn’t strap it apart from at the back pulling forward, but when it’s all been said and done it’s not legal. So like I said if I’m running in areas where I’m likely to see vosa it would get strapped, simply for show.

Saaamon:

nick2008:

Saaamon:

nick2008:

Saaamon:
As long as the bags are tight against each other and something like sand it’s ok, although personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces.

So its ok but you’d

personally I’d chuck a rope over them for belts and braces

make your mind up its good or not …
We always fly’d ours then roped between making it safe, seed can be just as bad any liquid.

What I ment and agree didn’t make clear, is that I’d rope it to satisfy vosa, so whether I’d bother would depend on where I was travelling, East Angila no, Manchester yes.I do agree with you about seed.

but surly if your 100% sure its 100% safe and legal why bother ■■ just because you want to satisfy Vosa is not an answer really is it :exclamation:
or is it your not confident enough if taken to task about it you wouldn’t win ( take out the argument about time attending court or what ever ) in put if you got pulled and had a mobile court room with an independent legal council would you still run the risk :question: :question:

I don’t really get what your having a go at me for, I’m happy that load is safe and wouldn’t strap it apart from at the back pulling forward, but when it’s all been said and done it’s not legal. So like I said if I’m running in areas where I’m likely to see vosa it would get strapped, simply for show.

not having a go just saying if you were 100% sure tight duck arse sure its legal the why just for show ? This goes for anyone
( yes the time etc and everything else that goes with it but if your sure your right why put up with it ) just askin that’s all …

Like i said years ago we would throw a fly sheet over big bags (granulated fert) and rope between but that’s all gone due to H&S :unamused: