Gr Diesels:
Taken by sotronic some weeks ago.
If I am not mistaken, that’s not an F88, it’s an L4951, predecessor to the 88. As such, it is an extremely rare find. You can tell by the grille behind the door.
If I am not mistaken, that’s not an F88, it’s an L4951, predecessor to the 88. As such, it is an extremely rare find. You can tell by the grille behind the door.
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I believe you’re right anorak. Must be a L4951 (Titan Tiptop). Although i’m not sure if the grille was fitted in the early 88’s. Tiptops also had smaller mirrors than F88s like this one . Also had the bathtub style handle next to door. According to Volvo there were built only 953 units. So it must be really rare.
Gr Diesels:
I believe you’re right anorak. Must be a L4951 (Titan Tiptop). Although i’m not sure if the grille was fitted in the early 88’s. Tiptops also had smaller mirrors than F88s like this one . Also had the bathtub style handle next to door. According to Volvo there were built only 953 units. So it must be really rare.
I see what you mean- some early 88s may also have had that grille behind the door. If so, it may be an 88. The bathtub handle was a feature of early F88s, so that’s no help either!
Another indicator (please excuse my dreadful pun) is the position of the indicator- Tip Tops had it much higher although, again, I don’t know if this detail was carried over onto the F88. Pity the example in the photo shows no indication (I’ll get my coat) of the position of them. The only way to be sure is to have a good look at it. Did the L4951 not have a different engine to the 88- a TD96?
If it is an L4951, it is a prime candidate for restoration. The owner might let it go cheaply, especially if he thinks it’s just another rusty old 88! 
Quite helpful. A quick look at the net proves that tiptops indeed had TD96 motor. But how can i tell it from TD100.
A closer look will give us an answer and put me into problem. You see i have a N86 in progress and my economics are kind of Greece’s. 
Tiptops had wrap round front flashers also dont quote me but I was told years ago that the very early ones had the batterys under the bunks like the Mercs and it was there to prevent fumes sounds bollox but might be true
I have a F89 cab with a grille behind the door, that came from Greece
Here’s a TD 96:
youtube.com/watch?v=FviWZhKsfeA
Early 88s had the wrap-around indicators too.
Here’s a Titan:
Cold Up North:
I have a F89 cab with a grille behind the door, that came from Greece
Here’s an 88 (according to the caption) with that grille:
So, the derelict could be an L4951 or an early F88. Worth checking, I would say.
PS Plenty of restored Tiptops here:
buzzybeeforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=158&t=13450
Here is a picture of anL4951 Titan.The picture from Greece is an early F88.The indicators would have been in the wrong place on that truck.
Another F88 in very good condition about 1 year ago. Unfortunately lost from the field where it was lying. Probably scrapped.
hi all if any of you were going 89 111 140 hunting where in greece would you go irelands or mainland thanks rowland
Rowland you have got enough
unfortutatally i have a proplem im hooked on old 89s and all old scanias 141 specially like a drug went to docs he said nothing can be done for me im trucked ah ah regards rowland
Sotronic who took these pictures last weekend said that it must be a late F88 with large grille. The cab interior is F88. But does 88’s had those diffs? A look at the engine was impossible unless he fought an angry dog .
AThats not a late 88 it s got top mounted wipers so its pre 1974 and i would say you re right it s had the wide grille added laterCrow.Also air intake on right denotes 89 rather than 88.
Early F89 with a late F89 grille.
gazzer:
Early F89 with a late F89 grille.
I thought all 89s had the wipers at the bottom?
I reckon its a bitsa. That double drive chassis looks more likely to be 89; the cab may have been salvaged from an earlier 88.
Some countries, who import used trucks from wealthier nations, weld the front of one vehicle to the rear of another (Ugh!). I have seen a photograph of lorries on a dock, with the chassis gassed-off behind the cab, ready for this to be done in their new home. Is this practice common in Greece, or do they generally prefer their their vehicles “whole”?
Edit- from the CM archives February 1971. Both 88s and 89s with downstairs wipers:
Anorak as you say both motors in your CM pics have bottom mounted wipers it remains a mystery as to why those early models supplied to the UK. market had top mounted wipers. Some one maybe your best mate CF. will know why, also when i said the air intake on the RH side denotes F89 that would appear to be untrue after looking at the pic of the 88 its mounted on the right looking from the rear of the cab. Thinking about this it would seem that all LHD models were like that in other words the air cleaner on LHD on the right rear of the engine and RHD on the left mainly because the gear linkage on UK models ran round the back of the engine having a much longer gear stick part of the mechanism being bolted directly to the side of the motor and having an annoying habit of working loose. If that article was written in 1971 which it, was does nt that F89 look lovely.Regards, Crow.
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anorak:gazzer:
Early F89 with a late F89 grille.
I thought all 89s had the wipers at the bottom?
I reckon its a bitsa. That double drive chassis looks more likely to be 89; the cab may have been salvaged from an earlier 88.
Some countries, who import used trucks from wealthier nations, weld the front of one vehicle to the rear of another (Ugh!). I have seen a photograph of lorries on a dock, with the chassis gassed-off behind the cab, ready for this to be done in their new home. Is this practice common in Greece, or do they generally prefer their their vehicles “whole”?
In Greece the past years the need for cheap trucks led to numerous modifications and pattents. But generally noone would want to buy cut & weld chassis (Not permitted by law anyway). In the past the weights loaded were far more than the legal. I know a guy with a merc 8X4 (33t permitted) whose loaded truck couldnt be weighted on a weight bridge with capacity of 50t. So no cut vehicle could stand for long lets say a 50% or more overload. The last 15-20 years the weights loaded are mostly into the legal. The most common modification in Greece was to add 1 or 2 axles in order to increase payload.That’s why we have so many 4legger F89’s. To change cab was also common practice because most trucks imported used in the past were 5-10 or more years old and tired . Maybe the pictured truck is such a case.
Gr Diesels:
In Greece the past years the need for cheap trucks led to numerous modifications and pattents. But generally noone would want to buy cut & weld chassis (Not permitted by law anyway). In the past the weights loaded were far more than the legal. I know a guy with a merc 8X4 (33t permitted) whose loaded truck couldnt be weighted on a weight bridge with capacity of 50t. So no cut vehicle could stand for long lets say a 50% or more overload. The last 15-20 years the weights loaded are mostly into the legal. The most common modification in Greece was to add 1 or 2 axles in order to increase payload.That’s why we have so many 4legger F89’s. To change cab was also common practice because most trucks imported used in the past were 5-10 or more years old and tired . Maybe the pictured truck is such a case.
Thanks for the info gr. Did you manage to check out the other F88, to see if it was an L4951? Even if it wasn’t, it would be a worthwhile restoration- not many 1960s 88s in preservation.