Rtitb cpc

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Hi all

Went to Telford yesterday to rtitb. I went to one of their consortium events to get info on delivering the drivers cpc. I have held Hgv class 1 for 15 yrs. class 2 for 20 yrs. I have also been a training manager delivering to groups from 10 people upto 45plus for the last eigth years.Training in all sorts of subjects but not specifically transport. I also have a degree in training .

My gripe is the sales lady said I would have to do a two day course as a industrial and commercial instructor, to be able to meet their criteria and join the consortium to deliver cpc. The cost of the two day course is. £ 1700 plus vat. The course consists of day one delivery techniques in a classroom environment? Day two a multi choice test. You need 80 % pass and you can use any subject you like I. E cake making … Taking the p…s now. So today I phoned up to clarify some points? Told the lady I have worked in training for eight yrs and have degree in it. The cost came down to £390 plus vat . She also said that they do not promote the other course the £390 one as most people fail because they do not have the relevant delivery techniques required in a training room environment. She also tried to put me off telling me Somme other poor soul had failed the £390. Course three times.

Sorry if it sounds a bit long winded, but any other drivers/ trainers already delivering the drivers cpc who could give me any info I would be gratefull.

Ps also the consortium fee ontop is £1095 plus vat

Kind regards

Ricky

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Hi Ricky,

Sounds like the RTITB are making a healthy profit from the DCPC at those rates!

As far as I know they will have paid the same as me for CPC CENTRE APPROVAL which is £1500 for 5 years. They will then have paid £250 (ish) per 7 hour course they have registered and this is valid for 12 months.

On each course they registered they will have put that the trainers would be somethin like “Any RTITB Approved trainer” - so anyone who passes their course is then a listed trainer.

So - the centre approval at £1500 per 5 years is £300 a year, plus a 7 hour course that’s £550 a year costs. They then want to sell this to you for £1700 to become approved. £1095 a year to be a member and then I am sure there will be a per course fee (you have to buy their DVDs I think)

I am sure they are making a lot of money out of the DCPC and letting guys like you do the work.

OK - they have written and produced some courses. I have attended 2 DCPC courses as a driver - both RTITB consortium members and the material was virtually scanned straight out of the GV262 and the DFT Safe Loading code of practice

Personally I think it is a con.

it sounds to me as though you have the required experience to deliver DCPC yourself. OK it isn’t as straight forward as being a consortium member but has its advantages.

I have set myself up with six 3.5 hour modules that I can mix and match to make 7 hour courses. I gained centre approval which needed quite a bit of work on policies and other QA documentation - but it is achievable. Total cost was around £2,300 (ish) plus a load of time. I also needed liability insurance, premises, professional indemnity insurance, chairs, desks, training materials and of course courses to deliver and these all have a cost. I had to have or gain appropriate qualifications to prove training abilities and subject knowledge.

Ultimately - I personally spent around £6500 getting off the ground. Have I started earning it back. No chance :frowning: The problem is that too many companies are burying their heads in the sand and leaving it until next year, then next year and “oh it’ll go away”. Individual drivers simply cannot afford to pay for it themselves. Certainly not in the area where I am. The industry is in the middle of hard times and nobody wants to pay for something they consider they don’t need and certainly don’t need for another 3 years. I have even had PSV companies say they aren’t bothering with it yet :exclamation:

I cannot see many will make a living by DCPC training alone. Luckily I have other income streams and DCPC is only part of my business.

yes I think it will build and come on line for a busy time - but this will be shortlived once it all settles down and people fall into a ‘one course a year’ routine after September 2014

I don’t know that I have helped with my words of wisdom. Whichever path you take it isn’t cheap and involves laying out the dosh before you can get the business - and only 40% of the available customers actually want to use your services - most wish the DCPC would go away

I spoke with the NorthWest traffic Commissioner last week (Mrs Bell) and she has confirmed the DCPC will not go away, there will be no derogations, soft approach etc

I stand by for a few hostile replies from the anti-DCPC mob.

Meanwhile - from what you have said sounds like you should avoid the consortium approach and either setup on your own - or perhaps form a relationship with someone operating as a DCPC Approved centre and can give you some work delivering DCPC courses on their behalf and under their approval.

Pete

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My name is Ruth Hughes and I work for RTITB. Please allow me to answer some of your concerns.

Ricky61
We have set criteria that to deliver training as part of our consortium we have to know that you can instruct, hence the need for a RTITB Instructors qualification. I’m sure you can understand that we would not be doing our job properly if we could not ensure to the public who source our training that our instructors had the correct skill set and qualifications. There are numerous courses that can be completed in order to comply with our criteria all of which are offered as a full course or a direct entry route.

Shep532
All of our courses have recently been re-written and I can assure they are not scanned out of the GV262, we of course reference certain pieces of information from the GV262 as it is important document for any person that works within the transport industry. We are also redeveloping several courses in conjunction with our consortium members over the next 6 months and re-writing all of our PCV modules. The annual membership cost includes all DVD training materials, monitoring visits and admin services. There is then an additional fee per driver for certification and upload to DSA. If you were to go direct with JAUPT you would still have to pay the upload fee, you would produce your own certificates, develop your modules, produce your training material, gain centre approval and then every year you would have to review your modules and get your modules reapproved. All of these aspects have quite a significant cost to them, we simply take away all of this hassle and let you get on with the important part, the training.

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Ricky, I am starting a training company next year, you might be interested in meeting for a coffee. I M me I’m in Liverpool too. :smiley:

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I can see that for those wanting to set up their own dcpc training establishment the RTITB seem to be very helpful but for those simply wanting to be dcpc trainers who work for a dcpc training establishment then is any training legally necessary as a simple letter from an employer stating that a person is competent will suffice for JAUPT :question:

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ROG:
I can see that for those wanting to set up their own dcpc training establishment the RTITB seem to be very helpful but for those simply wanting to be dcpc trainers who work for a dcpc training establishment then is any training legally necessary as a simple letter from an employer stating that a person is competent will suffice for JAUPT :question:

Agreed ROG, I see it as why work for someone else and receive a small wage when a perfectly capable trainer can earn twice as much by cutting out the likes of and I use them as an example, RTITB. :smiley: