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What did the picture on the roundabout sign tell you? If it showed the exit passed 12 oclock then its right hand turn 
also did the examiner tell you to follow the road ahead ?These factors could have influenced your final decision 
The important things on the approach to any roundabout are the lane markings and the traffic sign. The traffic sign will tell you exactly where the exit you require is located, be it 9o’clock, 12 o’clock or 4 o’clock (approach is always from 6 o’clock). If the road sign indicates that the exit you require is in the 12 o’clock position then no right indication is required, only a left indication once passed the exit previous to the one you require. The actual layout of the road may not follow exactly to the road sign, but only local knowledge will make you aware of that and we cannot all be expected to have prior knowledge of every roundabout in the country. You must then take into account the lane markings on the road. If they indicate to use the right hand lane, then you do so, (for an exit at 12 o’clock) but you do not indicate right at any point (Unless you need to change lanes to get into the right lane prior to the roundabout), only left as you pass the exit previous to your exit.
Indicating right when you intend going straight on is every bit as dangerous as not indicating right when turning right. Roundabouts would work very well at keeping traffic flowing if people knew how to use them properly
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clark_rally:
The important things on the approach to any roundabout are the lane markings and the traffic sign. The traffic sign will tell you exactly where the exit you require is located, be it 9o’clock, 12 o’clock or 4 o’clock (approach is always from 6 o’clock). If the road sign indicates that the exit you require is in the 12 o’clock position then no right indication is required, only a left indication once passed the exit previous to the one you require. The actual layout of the road may not follow exactly to the road sign, but only local knowledge will make you aware of that and we cannot all be expected to have prior knowledge of every roundabout in the country. You must then take into account the lane markings on the road. If they indicate to use the right hand lane, then you do so, (for an exit at 12 o’clock) but you do not indicate right at any point (Unless you need to change lanes to get into the right lane prior to the roundabout), only left as you pass the exit previous to your exit.Indicating right when you intend going straight on is every bit as dangerous as not indicating right when turning right. Roundabouts would work very well at keeping traffic flowing if people knew how to use them properly
You sound like an instructor to me. 
Another one inviting boy racers to overtake heavy vehicles on roundabouts, how not doing that is dangerous beats me. 
Spardo:
…how not doing that is dangerous beats me.
could this be the answer to the quote above 
Spardo:
As I never took a test …
Then again…
Spardo:
…I have certainly followed my own advice without problems since 1962.
so it could be said that the method used for the last 40+ years is not necessarily wrong or dangerous, just that it is different from the normal method which the ‘experts’ (DSA, Police etc) have advocated as the ‘safest’ overall method.
The danger starts when we adopt to many methods - use the highway code and we will all know exactly what we are all doing! make up a set of rules for yourself and only you will know what you are doing. It makes sense to all have one method.
Big D:
The danger starts when we adopt to many methods - use the highway code and we will all know exactly what we are all doing!
Which is why the Highway Code has ‘evolved’ as our system of roads has matured.
After all (reportedly), there are drivers in France who still believe that when joining a major road from a minor road to the right, they have priority.
When discussing signals I always refer to it as ‘Communication’. And ask the individual to consider “what they are seeking to communicate, and to whom”.
As the saying goes, “If a bear ‘dumps’ in the woods and a tree falls, does anyone hear it ■■■■?”
Or am I mixing my metaphors? 
Krankee:
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After all (reportedly), there are drivers in France who still believe that when joining a major road from a minor road to the right, they have priority.:
What you are talking about is the rule of the road, the law. There are minor roads which have priority over left hand traffic on a major road, if it isn’t marked otherwise, it is the law. What we have been discussing in this thread is commonsense and interpretation, not law. That is unless you are saying that I would be prosecuted for right indicating on a roundabout, in which case the law has changed. But I didn’t notice that.
That aside I still would prefer in a heavy vehicle to encourage followers not to overtake me on roundabouts. For one thing if they are doing that they can’t see my left indication and thus have no clue which exit I am taking. At least with my method they have some idea that it is a bad idea to cut across in front of me to their own planned exit.
Dieseldave & Rog eventually got to what i’d been thinking about right from the top. The major route sign on approach to a r-a-b should always reasonably accurately portray the layout.
OP can you supply a picture of it?
Looking at the aerial views, i don’t see that a right signal in the OP’s case is any way helpful to other road users.
Positioning in the right lane (maybe signalling briefly to do that) on approach makes it clear you are not intending to leave by exit 1 or 2.
Once onto the r-a-b, where the red car is, its very obvious from your position where you are headed. IF you were going further round past exit 3 then yes a signal would be required, but i don’t consider its necessary at all for exit 3.
Totally agree with & had already thought of the point Jab raises about drivers (Spardo) giving misleading right signals when NOT turning right. I would be that car/van/truck driver making progress coming up your inside (having joined at the last entrance) to leave at the next exit because you, by your right signal, have indicated to me that is not your intention, so we will not be competing for the same bit of road space. But then you do… oh, you lied!!
Older versions of the HWC used to clearly show a safe & legal over take being done on a r-a-b where there are 2 lanes entering & leaving & both vehicles going ahead (Wheelnut re DC’s going thru’ a r-a-b)
Jonathan. DSA ADI. RoSPA Gold
1 - What approach position should an artic take if going from A to D
2 - What course should it take whilst on the roundabout
3 - What signal(s), if any, should be used and at what point(s)
Personally, but you already know this, I would take the blue route (further than you show it) indicating right until just past C then indicate left.
No chance of someone creeping up on my left hand side, warning to others that my rear end may encroach an adjacent lane on my right, less need to constantly check both mirrors, less stress, more safety.
There is no need in my opinion for overtaking on roundabouts so this would not needlessly impede other users.
I see on closer inspection that there are lane markings on the approach road so would reluctantly have to take the red route, however that doesn’t change my opinion about signalling, just makes it a little harder having to watch both sides.
Spardo:
I see on closer inspection that there are lane markings on the approach road so would reluctantly have to take the red route, however that doesn’t change my opinion about signalling, just makes it a little harder having to watch both sides.
By using the Red route & signalling right aren’t you sending the wrong message?
Scenario: As you pass B (signalling right) a car arrives at the r/bout at C wanting to come off at D. He sees your postion & the fact that you are indicating right & assumes you are heading for E or F.
As you approach C he pulls out into the space you have left on your inside… you are both now competing for the same bit of road. You indicate left but he’s now alongside you, possibly followed by several other vehicles…
I may be wrong (usually am 
) but a right signal here doesn’t help matters at all!
which is just as i said above.
Spardo, you say overtaking on a r-a-b is not necessary. Well it may not be necessary, buts certainly often useful, legal & safe. For instance the large motorway r-a-b near my home can easily be entered and negotiated safely when traffic is quiet, and the intention is to follow the main road ahead (12 .o’clock) when in the car, at 40+ mph making use of the available road space.
I am sure you are well aware from your experience that often times car drivers stop (or almost stop) at the give way line on entry to a r-a-b, then they look, see an empty r-a-b and move off again. Instead of observing on approach.
So lets say as I’m approaching in lane 2, because they’re in lane, just as i’m arriving at the r-a-b the slow car in lane 1 moves off onto the r-a-b. Are you saying i should brake sharply, (lets also assume i have another car following me closely) move back to lane 1, and follow them around the r-a-b.
Then they will probably do 35 mph in the following 50 limit with an open road infront of them but i will be stuck behind them.
I rather think if i drove in this manner on my 3 yearly RoSPA test i would get marked down there for failing to use an opportunity to make progress.
Interestingly, sometimes there will be car in the right lane indicating right. That is clearly showing intention to turn right and go west on the m/way. So ofcourse i undertake them in lane 1. Just as they get to the 12 0’clock exit they change signals & want to change lanes and take that exit. Not because they are lost, but because they believe they have done the correct thing. I used to drive Land Rovers, they didn’t get to my way!
Here, entering at 12, leaving at 6.
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A local chap i knew did this crazy trick one day. I saw him in the town & spoke to him about. He was an elderly, well educated school teacher. He would not have it that he was wrong. The next time i saw him, maybe a year after. He apologised profusely to me. He’d been and bought a copy of the HWC and read it!
The biggest problem with these examples are the lane markings, they are only there as a guide, An artic will take a completely different line to a motorcycle, a centre axle drawbar trailer will be on a different line to an A frame.
I stand by my earlier posts, about drivers overtaking on roundabouts, there isnt a one cure fits all magical answer.
I drive in France, I use a right hand indicator, only when I signal left I am taking the next exit. As far as I know the rules havent changed about roundabouts in France or the UK.
ie,
Scenario: As you pass B (signalling right) a car arrives at the r/bout at C wanting to come off at D. He sees your postion & the fact that you are indicating right & assumes you are heading for E or F
The rules of the roundabout still say "give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights "
As you approach C he pulls out into the space you have left on your inside…
possibly followed by several other vehicles…
who have also ignored the above rule!
To lighten things up a bit, thought i’d just throw this in casually:
negotiated this in the artic a while back.:
4 - is it deemed SAFE & LEGAL for an ARTIC to approach from A and take the Blue and a bit of Red lane (if no markings on the road dictate a specified course) to go to exit D with a right signal on - bearing in mind what the Highway code says about Large vehicles
RULE 187 In all caseswatch out for and give plenty of room to
Long vehicles (including those towing trailers). Thse might have to take a different course or straddle lanes either approaching or on the roundabout because of their length. Watch out for their signals
I just close my eyes and hope for the best!
Walkinstown Roundabout, Dublin
Some of the entry roads have three lanes going onto the roundabout and direction arrows are not always laid down. It’s a very small roundabout too.
I haven’t done it in an artic, but I’m familiar with the Hemel Hempstead, High Wycombe and Swindon Magic Roundabouts.
I don’t know the ages of everybody involved in his thread but it seems like it may be a generational thing here.
I was always taught not to look at roundabouts in the manner of right or left turns - only in terms of exit numbers.
Thus a right signal on an English roundabout or a left on a French one, merely tells other road users, behind and ahead (waiting to enter), that the intention is to stay on the roundabout. The left (or right in France) tells everyone that you intend to take the next exit.
IMEO this sends a safe and simple message. My right signal warns others it is not a good idea to overtake (I don’t care if Big D’s warped understanding of the English language terms this bullying) and my left signal tells you exactly where I’m going.
Spardo:
I don’t know the ages of everybody involved in his thread but it seems like it may be a generational thing here.
I was always taught not to look at roundabouts in the manner of right or left turns - only in terms of exit numbers.
Thus a right signal on an English roundabout or a left on a French one, merely tells other road users, behind and ahead (waiting to enter), that the intention is to stay on the roundabout. The left (or right in France) tells everyone that you intend to take the next exit.
IMEO this sends a safe and simple message. My right signal warns others it is not a good idea to overtake (I don’t care if Big D’s warped understanding of the English language terms this bullying) and my left signal tells you exactly where I’m going.
On the rondabout I posted with exits B to F, Would you indicate right for exit C