It obviously depends on the date of the test. if it had been 08/08/08 then you deffo should have right indicated as you would have been going round the roundabout three times - after you had queued for 3 hurs to get on to it, due to roundabout day…
I must admit to being somewhat surprised at at least 2 LGV instructors here advocating circumstances at which no signal is given on entry to a roundabout.
Since my earliest days driving I have always given a signal on entry, it is especially important with long vehicles to warn following traffic of the possible cut in of trailers even when going ‘straight on’, although that is a term I never use the only one of value being exit number.
The other reason of importance which I mentioned earlier is that it informs traffic entering further round of your intention to stay on the roundabout.
I was most surprised, and gratified, given the apalling lack of signals given by French drivers (they haven’t had roundabouts as long as Britain but no excuse) that on my FCOS (drivers’ CPC refresher) course some years ago when the instructor gave the official view to indicate left (right of course in UK) always until passing the last exit before the intended one, and then flicking right (left).
If only more people in both countries would follow this advice I would be a happier road user.
Very simple rules - when following the road ahead at a roundabout no signal when entering this is because a signal is an intention to change direction so a right signal on entering a roundabout would mean you intended to move right this would be very confusing if there was 2 lanes available and you are in the left - folks would think you were intending to change lanes.
It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test.
Big D:
Very simple rules - when following the road ahead at a roundabout no signal when entering this is because a signal is an intention to change direction so a right signal on entering a roundabout would mean you intended to move right this would be very confusing if there was 2 lanes available and you are in the left - folks would think you were intending to change lanes.It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test.
This is exactly the instruction I got when training. The only signal to be given on a roundabout is left, and it should be applied as you pass the exit before the one you will be exiting from.
Big D:
It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test.
Same rules in advanced driving as well - civilian & police
Time for a bit of HEARSAY
The author MAY have got caught up in Examiner politics, they are scrutinised on how many drivers they PASS AND FAIL, and the sad reality is, they have to BLANK people who should BLANK, if they have BLANK loads of students in the previous week/month and vice versa. Just to keep the DSA happy.
This is what i was told
Gordy:
Big D:
Very simple rules - when following the road ahead at a roundabout no signal when entering this is because a signal is an intention to change direction so a right signal on entering a roundabout would mean you intended to move right this would be very confusing if there was 2 lanes available and you are in the left - folks would think you were intending to change lanes.It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test.
This is exactly the instruction I got when training. The only signal to be given on a roundabout is left, and it should be applied as you pass the exit before the one you will be exiting from.
Then I find this
Big D:
Very simple rules - when following the road ahead at a roundabout no signal when entering this is because a signal is an intention to change direction so a right signal on entering a roundabout would mean you intended to move right this would be very confusing if there was 2 lanes available and you are in the left - folks would think you were intending to change lanes..
Which is not a bad thing given that with a long vehicle you are often forced to invade an adjacent lane on roundabouts and in any case it is far safer to discourage overtaking on roundabouts.
It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test
Not with the examiner first quoted in this thread apparently. As I never took a test I can’t comment on the accuracy of that statement but I have certainly followed my own advice without problems since 1962.
Spardo:
Which is not a bad thing given that with a long vehicle you are often forced to invade an adjacent lane on roundabouts and in any case it is far safer to discourage overtaking on roundabouts.
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Exactly the reason why I pasted my alternative roundabout above, although, better men than me shot me down
I Wrote.
The instructors here teach you to command the road, obviously using the correct lanes, signals and mirrors
Spardo:
Big D:
Very simple rules - when following the road ahead at a roundabout no signal when entering this is because a signal is an intention to change direction so a right signal on entering a roundabout would mean you intended to move right this would be very confusing if there was 2 lanes available and you are in the left - folks would think you were intending to change lanes..
Which is not a bad thing given that with a long vehicle you are often forced to invade an adjacent lane on roundabouts and in any case it is far safer to discourage overtaking on roundabouts.
It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test
Not with the examiner first quoted in this thread apparently.
As I never took a test I can’t comment on the accuracy of that statement but I have certainly followed my own advice without problems since 1962.
As you say you have never taken a test…
Big D:
Spardo:
Big D:
Very simple rules - when following the road ahead at a roundabout no signal when entering this is because a signal is an intention to change direction so a right signal on entering a roundabout would mean you intended to move right this would be very confusing if there was 2 lanes available and you are in the left - folks would think you were intending to change lanes..
Which is not a bad thing given that with a long vehicle you are often forced to invade an adjacent lane on roundabouts and in any case it is far safer to discourage overtaking on roundabouts.
It is wrong to signal right when you intend to follow the road ahead and you would certainly fail your LGV test
Not with the examiner first quoted in this thread apparently.
As I never took a test I can’t comment on the accuracy of that statement but I have certainly followed my own advice without problems since 1962.
As you say you have never taken a test…
During the training, the trainee SHOULD find that the instructor teaches how to assess the roundabout and if that asessment concludes that more than one lane needs to be taken when on the roundabout then more than one lane is taken on the approach.
This informs other road users of your intention of the space needed before entering the roundabout.
ROG:
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During the training, the trainee SHOULD find that the instructor teaches how to assess the roundabout and if that asessment concludes that more than one lane needs to be taken when on the roundabout then more than one lane is taken on the approach.
This informs other road users of your intention of the space needed before entering the roundabout.
So now we have at least 2 instructors devalueing the use of indicators and expecting other road users to get their information from the position of the vehicle on the road.
We already know that many car drivers do not understand the necessary positioning of heavy vehicles (thus the number of ‘undertakers’ of lorries swinging wide to make a left turn) to manoeuvre so surely as much information as is humanly possible should be made available.
I thought that was what the word ‘indicator’ meant - to indicate.
Thank goodness for the examiner mentioned by John in the first post, a breath of fresh air and commonsense. Let’s hope he is not alone.
Spardo:
ROG:
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During the training, the trainee SHOULD find that the instructor teaches how to assess the roundabout and if that asessment concludes that more than one lane needs to be taken when on the roundabout then more than one lane is taken on the approach.
This informs other road users of your intention of the space needed before entering the roundabout.So now we have at least 2 instructors devalueing the use of indicators and expecting other road users to get their information from the position of the vehicle on the road.
We already know that many car drivers do not understand the necessary positioning of heavy vehicles (thus the number of ‘undertakers’ of lorries swinging wide to make a left turn) to manoeuvre so surely as much information as is humanly possible should be made available.
I thought that was what the word ‘indicator’ meant - to indicate.
Thank goodness for the examiner mentioned by John in the first post, a breath of fresh air and commonsense. Let’s hope he is not alone.
Simple logic here - if the vehicle is anticipating the use of more than one lane on the roundabout and takes that required room on the approach then the other traffic cannot use that space so therefore, no conflict
To signal your intention to turn right is good if you are going to turn right however to signal right in order to stop another vehicle passing is bullying and not acceptable - you should never use the size of your vehicle to intimidate other road users. when entering a roundabout and following the road ahead there should be no signal and that is endorsed in the highway code - the road ahead can be 2nd, 3rd or 4th exit no matter if it is 12 o’clock or 3 o’clock it is called an intermediate exit.
No rule in highway code to say you should signal to stop passing vehicles - LOL
Big D:
To signal your intention to turn right is good if you are going to turn right however to signal right in order to stop another vehicle passing is bullying and not acceptable - you should never use the size of your vehicle to intimidate other road usersNo rule in highway code to say you should signal to stop passing vehicles - LOL
Then there is no wonder the driving is so attrocious in the UK. probably the reason that there are so many accidents on roundabouts, with truck drivers trying to overtake other trucks.
If I drive in France I indicate left at every roundabout, even when going straight on. When I drive in Greece, I drive with 2/3rds of the truck on the hard shoulder.
Big D:
To signal your intention to turn right is good if you are going to turn right however to signal right in order to stop another vehicle passing is bullying and not acceptable - you should never use the size of your vehicle to intimidate other road usersNo rule in highway code to say you should signal to stop passing vehicles - LOL
Then there is no wonder the driving is so attrocious in the UK. probably the reason that there are so many accidents on roundabouts, with truck drivers trying to overtake other trucks.If I drive in France I indicate left at every roundabout, even when going straight on. When I drive in Greece, I drive with 2/3rds of the truck on the hard shoulder.
In an ideal world we would all follow the highway code. But to do this we must first read it and then practice, its not as easy as it looks! thats why we need trainers.
This has definately been good food for thought and I’m sure the debate will rage on even after we receive DSA’s input on how they expect this particular roundabout to be tackled.
It appears to be ambiguous but as the examiner is always right you have no choice but to do it his way.
“to indicate or not to indicate, that is the question”
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The examiner will always be right even when he is wrong - unfortunately…
Big D:
To signal your intention to turn right is good if you are going to turn right however to signal right in order to stop another vehicle passing is bullying and not acceptable - you should never use the size of your vehicle to intimidate other road users.
This is nonsense in the extreme. Bullying? What are you on? Bullying would be what Rog suggested, taking up 2 lanes without indication.
when entering a roundabout and following the road ahead there should be no signal and that is endorsed in the highway code - the road ahead can be 2nd, 3rd or 4th exit no matter if it is 12 o’clock or 3 o’clock it is called an intermediate exit.
There is no such thing as right turns or straight ons on a roundabout, in England everything is a left turn when you get to it, before that you have to keep following and entering traffic informed of your intentions. As Malc says, no wonder there are so many roundabout accidents if this is the way new drivers are taught and tested.
And BTW, I don’t have to do it that way
moving on:
It appears to be ambiguous but as the examiner is always right you have no choice but to do it his way
what Big D and Rog are doing is teaching people to pass a test. I don’t need to do that. All I have to do is continue to drive in a safe manner. The 2 things are not necessarily the same.
Spardo:
Bullying would be what Rog suggested, taking up 2 lanes without indication.
No I did not suggest that - I said that if a driver was good at forward observation and planning then they should take the room needed on the approach and maintain that amount of room on the roundabout therefore another vehicle could not get into the same space and there would be no conflict
See the roundabout - aseess that a lane and a half will be needed on it for the size of the vehicle - position to a lane and a half on the approach - maintain that lane and a half on the roundabout - safely sorted without confusing signals needed - they may be needed to set up the position on the approach though.