Evil8Beezle:
As well as Drugs and Alchohol testing, perhaps we should also have personality testing to weed out racism and xenophobia!Next step, we can then all have a chip inserted in our brains and loose all free will…
If people want to be racist and xenophobic they have free will to do so…! Or would you rather have a chip inserted…?
Personally I think all employees who operate potentially dangerous equipment should know that at some point in the year they are going to be drug and alchohol tested at least once, preferably twice, at random.
TiredAndEmotional:
If people want to be racist and xenophobic they have free will to do so…!
Eh, no, it is illegal. Xenophobia is now also part of the act.
Not only is it illegal, it is morally reprehensible, especially on a public forum such as this. In the UK both the forum owner and the poster can be held liable and prosecuted for racist and xenophobic posts.
wheelnutt:
TiredAndEmotional:
If people want to be racist and xenophobic they have free will to do so…!Eh, no, it is illegal. Xenophobia is now also part of the act.
Not only is it illegal, it is morally reprehensible, especially on a public forum such as this. In the UK the forum owner can be held liable and prosecuted for racist and xenophobic posts.
I think you missed my point a bit and the law has nothing to do with it!
TiredAndEmotional:
Evil8Beezle:
As well as Drugs and Alchohol testing, perhaps we should also have personality testing to weed out racism and xenophobia!Next step, we can then all have a chip inserted in our brains and loose all free will…
If people want to be racist and xenophobic they have free will to do so…! Or would you rather have a chip inserted…?
Yes please! 
Just leave it on the ■■■■■■ setting please… 
Of course not mate, as I’m all for drugs and alcohol testing at the point where an employee is working for the company. And while working for the company they also shouldn’t express things like racism or other extreme views. But what they do in their own free time is completely up to them…
I’m just nervous of the way things are going, as the moment the technology is available it is used to control and monitor people, thus eroding our basic rights to freedom and free will. I also don’t trust employers not to abuse such systems like drug testing, as if these employee’s have healthcare, how do we know they won’t analyze this in other ways and act accordingly?
Evil8Beezle:
Yes please!
Just leave it on the ■■■■■■ setting please…Of course not mate, as I’m all for drugs and alcohol testing at the point where an employee is working for the company. And while working for the company they also shouldn’t express things like racism or other extreme views. But what they do in their own free time is completely up to them…
I’m just nervous of the way things are going, as the moment the technology is available it is used to control and monitor people, thus eroding our basic rights to freedom and free will. I also don’t trust employers not to abuse such systems like drug testing, as if these employee’s have healthcare, how do we know they won’t analyze this in other ways and act accordingly?
Yeah there’s always a flip side to these things personal privacy v. safety of others etc. You pays your money…
Drug taking is a pretty real problem in the truck driving world, not necessarily under the influence when driving, but taking drugs recreationally . A fairly sizeable tipper firm tested their drivers for the first time a few years back and over 30% failed. Most drivers delivering to major building sites are liable to random testing.
yes in all walks of life drugs is a major problem, but we drive killer machines if in the wrong hands. A driver with drink or drugs in his system cannot make the right judgement whilst driving, when things go wrong it can turn into one very nasty accident.
If compulsory drug testing became law, it may stop some of the drivers doing it, they wouldn’t want to lose their licence & job.
As I said before lorries are killers in the wrong hands and wrecks life’s & it seems to get worse, something has to done & I think a deterrent like a drug test might work
jacobs transport:
If compulsory drug testing became law, it may stop some of the drivers doing it, they wouldn’t want to lose their licence & job.
As I said before lorries are killers in the wrong hands and wrecks life’s & it seems to get worse, something has to done & I think a deterrent like a drug test might work
Should it be a ban or a possible treatment program?
I don’t know as it’s hard to know where to draw the line.
For example here’s a bin driver using his phone that a colleague exposed: bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-le … e-38808255
Is that more or less dangerous than someone who had a joint the night before?
I don’t know…
Evil8Beezle:
As well as Drugs and Alchohol testing, perhaps we should also have personality testing to weed out racism and xenophobia!Next step, we can then all have a chip inserted in our brains and loose all free will…
Elon is listening…!
At one shipping company I worked for there was a strict anti drug and alcohol policy in force and any transgressers got instant dismisal but as I was the one who had to conduct the randomm alcohol tests I actually asked for volunteers the night before I did the test, anyone who put my name forward got a bollickin … ( cant turn in off a night without me wee dram or three)
Keep it lit …your joint that is [emoji2]
Another knock at EE drivers. We’re all in the same boat wherever we work and who we work for. What some fail to realise is that many european drivers are very very experienced guys traversing all over Europe compared to the greater majority of UK drivers stuck on the island but it seems as soon as theres a chance to slate euro drivers xenophobia rears its head. It matters not indiginous origins, if someones inclined to take drugs they’ll do it regardless of race…
Nice to see a thread go as expected.
Since the Berlin incident camaraderie between drivers regardless of Nationality is on the up.
Except the Hungarians don’t get me started on them and their dodgy goulash. I mean I like a wee after a meal but not out me bloody ring piece.
wheelnutt:
Based on the latest data, drug use in the UK is four times higher than it is in Romania…But heh, don’t let a little fact get in the way of a good xenophobic internet rant
where’s the fact?
OP suggests drug use is present in Romanians via word of mouth, all you have done is confirm your “data” suggests its possible but just not a scale in the U.K.
Well done you, love the follow up posts too. Harass a different opinion until it suits your apologist agenda.
AndrewG:
Another knock at EE drivers. We’re all in the same boat wherever we work and who we work for. What some fail to realise is that many european drivers are very very experienced guys traversing all over Europe compared to the greater majority of UK drivers stuck on the island but it seems as soon as theres a chance to slate euro drivers xenophobia rears its head. It matters not indiginous origins, if someones inclined to take drugs they’ll do it regardless of race…
A chance to slate? Xenophobia?
If some one feels a certain way about issues involving other countries that they feel are important to them then they should ■■■■ well have the right to air them. If you feel they are wrong then by all means discuss it, educate them to your way of thinking if you feel it’s necessary, but don’t throw labels around to stigmatise and silence people, that’s just hypocrisy.
Everyone keep quiet. Don’t discuss anything about any other country, nothing you have heard, nothing you know, nothing you have seen,it’s just not acceptable here on mumsnet.
Someone will be along to shut you up and stick a label on you…
Norfolkinclue1:
AndrewG:
Another knock at EE drivers. We’re all in the same boat wherever we work and who we work for. What some fail to realise is that many european drivers are very very experienced guys traversing all over Europe compared to the greater majority of UK drivers stuck on the island but it seems as soon as theres a chance to slate euro drivers xenophobia rears its head. It matters not indiginous origins, if someones inclined to take drugs they’ll do it regardless of race…A chance to slate? Xenophobia?
If some one feels a certain way about issues involving other countries that they feel are important to them then they should ■■■■ well have the right to air them. If you feel they are wrong then by all means discuss it, educate them to your way of thinking if you feel it’s necessary, but don’t throw labels around to stigmatise and silence people, that’s just hypocrisy.Everyone keep quiet. Don’t discuss anything about any other country, nothing you have heard, nothing you know, nothing you have seen,it’s just not acceptable here on mumsnet.
Someone will be along to shut you up and stick a label on you…
Facts would be nice before prodding with the stick…not a load of old bollox someones heard third hand in the pub or through their missus who most likely doesnt have a clue… 
wheelnutt:
TiredAndEmotional:
If people want to be racist and xenophobic they have free will to do so…!Eh, no, it is illegal. Xenophobia is now also part of the act.
Not only is it illegal, it is morally reprehensible, especially on a public forum such as this. In the UK both the forum owner and the poster can be held liable and prosecuted for racist and xenophobic posts.
The original post was neither racist nor xenophobic.
The guy expressed an opinion about people from other countries coming here with different licenses etc. Its a free country and he is entitled to his opinion.
The real problem with racism is that the word is used so much it has lost all meaning.
I happen to believe in a persons right to not like foreigners if they chose to do so. Why some people hate them as much as some people do is beyond me and Ill never understand it but why should you be told to like someone you dont, just because society says so? Unless you are usint violence or threatening behaviour etc then a persons thoughts and opinions are their own to make, not other peoples to decide what is acceptable and whats not.
I myself have no problem with anyone coming over here to make a better life for themselves but I grudge it if they just taking out without putting in and only here to cream money to send back to their homeland, eroding the UK workers wage limit and job oppertunities here and refusing to integrate. Ive stuck up for EE drivers in the past when they are getting a kicking on here but some peoples disdain for foreign workers is understandable.
Does that opinion make me racist? Should I be banned from the forum for saying it just because im not standing with open arms and saying all are welcome? Where do you draw the line? Who decides?
Well im a real race mix Russian father, Spanish mother and born on a boat in the bay of Biscay and have never felt as though i actually ‘belonged’ anywhere and have always been a roamer. However i take people on face value, how they come across, integrity, personality ect, it never crosses my mind to dislike someone purely because they come from a different region in Europe to me… 
The-Snowman:
Does that opinion make me racist? Should I be banned from the forum for saying it just because im not standing with open arms and saying all are welcome? Where do you draw the line? Who decides?
Nope, you should be banned for being a Jock!
Bollox, I’m a xenophobic twonk! 
As for Romanian drivers, I’ve worked with a few and I have to say I preferred their company than plenty of my fellow countrymen…