harry:
They could only sentence him to the penalty that was in force at the time of the offence…so,if he had murdered would they have to hang him?
No, lesser sentencing only applies if the sentence has been increased since the offence, not decreased. But in any event, the death penalty had been long abolished when Rolf Harris committed these offences, it will be fifty years next month (13th August 1964) since the last hangings took place in the UK.
bloodoodle:
Try reading thisjudiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/ … arris1.pdf
This is what the jury, and the judge, made their decision on and throws a bit more light on whether it was the right one or not.
Pat
None of which actually addresses the issues raised previously concerning the credibility of the evidence as opposed to the summing up based on the acceptance of it.It’s surprising that any decent defence barrister wouldn’t at least have torn apart the evidence by the girl who was stated as being 16 at the time and who the inference points to consent,to some antics,which were nothing unusual at any of the parties I’ve been to over the years involving girls of the same age.The excuse for the change of mind now supposedly being that she was ‘awestruck’.But who,true to form,according to the issue of it seeming to be all about the change in societal attitudes since,now seems to have got it into her head that the age of consent doesn’t apply in this country in the case of so called ‘adults’.Which is bs based on American federal law.Not British both at the time and to date.
The fact is as I’ve said the age of consent is 16 and that applies wether the bloke is 16 or 86.Which is why Oliver Reed never went to jail for the relationship with Josephine Burge nor the bloke of 47 who married another of my relatives when she was 16,nor the 48 year old one who was lucky enough to have pulled just about the best looking under 18 bird I’ve ever seen at the the time or since.Which I only found out about at the time having asked her family questions as to why she gave me the cold shoulder being of same/close age.
express.co.uk/news/showbiz/4 … liver-Reed
gettyimages.co.uk/detail/new … o/75302405
By the same logic being applied in this case all of those examples could be viewed retrospectively as so called paedo ‘child’ abuse just because they involved relationships involving ( much ) older ‘adult’ blokes and teenaged women who were technically children by the standards of the 18 year threshold.Which is total bs based on US federal law not UK law.
While if it’s now supposedly a crime,for a so called ‘adult’,to just fancy and go for a bird under the age of 18,let alone under 16,then Prince Charles and the establishment are obviously guilty of grooming Di Spencer from the age of 15 and the Queen from the age of 13.
Reading between the lines of the summing suggests even more that Rolf might have been stitched up. 
So how do you manage to justify this one then?
On Count 1 you indecently assaulted ‘A’ in 1969 (when she was aged 8 and you were aged 39). You did so when you made an appearance at the Leigh Park Community Centre in Havant, and she approached you for your autograph. Others were present. Taking advantage of your celebrity status, you twice put your hand up her skirt between her legs and touched her ■■■■■■ over her clothing. In her Victim Impact Statement ‘A’ states, which I
am sure is true, that you took her childhood innocence †for which she blamed herself and
became an angry child and teenager, unable to express herself and unable to trust men. She
continued “I have carried what Rolf Harris did to me for most of my life, it took away my
childhood, it affected every aspect of my life from the point he assaulted me. Something
that he did to me for fun that caused me physical and mental pain for his own pleasure and
then probably forgot about as quickly as he did it, has had a catastrophic effect on me……”
If that was your daughter would you still excuse it ?
Pat
bloodoodle:
So how do you manage to justify this one then?On Count 1 you indecently assaulted ‘A’ in 1969 (when she was aged 8 and you were aged 39). You did so when you made an appearance at the Leigh Park Community Centre in Havant, and she approached you for your autograph. Others were present. Taking advantage of your celebrity status, you twice put your hand up her skirt between her legs and touched her ■■■■■■ over her clothing. In her Victim Impact Statement ‘A’ states, which I
am sure is true, that you took her childhood innocence †for which she blamed herself and
became an angry child and teenager, unable to express herself and unable to trust men. She
continued “I have carried what Rolf Harris did to me for most of my life, it took away my
childhood, it affected every aspect of my life from the point he assaulted me. Something
that he did to me for fun that caused me physical and mental pain for his own pleasure and
then probably forgot about as quickly as he did it, has had a catastrophic effect on me……”If that was your daughter would you still excuse it ?
Pat
Covered earlier in the thread…
COUNT ONE — VERDICT: GUILTY
“The woman said she was aged seven or eight when she queued to get an autograph from Harris at a community centre in Hampshire in 1968 or 1969. When she reached the front of the queue, Harris had touched her inappropriately with his “big hairy hands”, she told the jury.
The court heard that no evidence could be found that Mr Harris had been at the community centre. He also showed his hands to the jury and denied they were hairy.”
When they say that no evidence could be found that Mr Harris had been at the community centre, they don’t mean a cursory glance turned nothing up. They searched local newspaper archives between January 1967 and May 1974, council records and even conducted letter drops appealing for witnesses. Nothing, not a single piece of independent evidence that he was ever there!
It is hard to see how the uncorroborated recollection of an event alleged to have happened 45 years ago, when the witness was eight, can constitute proof beyond reasonable doubt.
libertarianview.co.uk/curren … able-doubt
It’s worth pointing out that even after the massive publicity generated by the trial, that not one single person has come forward to say that they too can remember Rolf Harris being at the community centre.
Harry Monk:
bloodoodle:
So how do you manage to justify this one then?On Count 1 you indecently assaulted ‘A’ in 1969 (when she was aged 8 and you were aged 39). You did so when you made an appearance at the Leigh Park Community Centre in Havant, and she approached you for your autograph. Others were present. Taking advantage of your celebrity status, you twice put your hand up her skirt between her legs and touched her ■■■■■■ over her clothing. In her Victim Impact Statement ‘A’ states, which I
am sure is true, that you took her childhood innocence †for which she blamed herself and
became an angry child and teenager, unable to express herself and unable to trust men. She
continued “I have carried what Rolf Harris did to me for most of my life, it took away my
childhood, it affected every aspect of my life from the point he assaulted me. Something
that he did to me for fun that caused me physical and mental pain for his own pleasure and
then probably forgot about as quickly as he did it, has had a catastrophic effect on me……”If that was your daughter would you still excuse it ?
Pat
Covered earlier in the thread…
COUNT ONE — VERDICT: GUILTY
“The woman said she was aged seven or eight when she queued to get an autograph from Harris at a community centre in Hampshire in 1968 or 1969. When she reached the front of the queue, Harris had touched her inappropriately with his “big hairy hands”, she told the jury.
The court heard that no evidence could be found that Mr Harris had been at the community centre. He also showed his hands to the jury and denied they were hairy.”
When they say that no evidence could be found that Mr Harris had been at the community centre, they don’t mean a cursory glance turned nothing up. They searched local newspaper archives between January 1967 and May 1974, council records and even conducted letter drops appealing for witnesses. Nothing, not a single piece of independent evidence that he was ever there!
It is hard to see how the uncorroborated recollection of an event alleged to have happened 45 years ago, when the witness was eight, can constitute proof beyond reasonable doubt.
libertarianview.co.uk/curren … able-doubt
It’s worth pointing out that even after the massive publicity generated by the trial, that not one single person has come forward to say that they too can remember Rolf Harris being at the community centre.
It’s frightening that people who could be called up for jury service can’t even understand a point raised concerning the credibility of the ‘evidence’ in question at the point when it was put before the court and to said jury. 
IE the possibility of a fit up based on the serious issue of someone who supposedly went for 8 year olds.
To set out to actually get him for the actual so called ‘crime’ of fancying 16 + ones with their consent because it’s an inconvenient truth.Which stands in the way of an obvious establishment agenda to impose US federal laws,concerning artificial age barriers,on a gradual basis and creating a societal outlook which justifies it.
Carryfast:
It’s frightening that people who could be called up for jury service can’t even understand a point raised concerning the credibility of the ‘evidence’ in question at the point when it was put before the court and to said jury.
Well, like they say, a jury consists of twelve people too stupid to be able to get out of jury duty. 
The other thing I don’t understand is that Rolf Harris was alleged to have put his hand up this girls skirt and rubbed her ■■■■■■ through her knickers, twice, and this apparently happened while she was at the head of a queue of autograph hunters, at a busy public event packed with adults and children, but nobody saw it, or thought to say “What are you doing?” at the time?
But I’ll leave it at that. It is dangerous in any witch hunt to show any support for the witch burning at the stake, or for challenging the superstition that identified the witch… 
Hello there, everyone,
I stumbled across your site last night, into this thread, whilst looking for more info about Rolf. You are correct, there is NO evidence whatsoever to place Rolf Harris in the Leigh Park Community Centre. Sadly, because two people said they vaguely remembered him as ‘being in the area’ this witness was allowed to come to Trial. You can read more about this here, and please read the words of Det. Sgt, Gary Pankhurst too: 3news.co.nz/No-proof-Harris- … fault.aspx
I need The UK Truckers to start standing up for Rolf Harris, to spread the word on your radios, on your messageboards, because something is very, VERY wrong here! We need a FREE ROLF HARRIS! campaign, on a MEGA scale. Here is my FB page where you can read more about my feelings on this, to me, terrible Miscarriage of Justice, should you want to: facebook.com/lizzie.cornish
This has been posted today, on Facebook from an old friend of Rolf’s, Chris Bosnan: facebook.com/chris.b.brosnan
"For those of you out there who know me well, I thought you may be interested in reading the below article, it pretty much sums up my feelings just now and now is not the time for silence, I have a voice and a good heart that needs to be heard.
I know this as fact; Rolf Harris has been my close friend for over 17 years, in that time I have presented with, and supported him in literally hundreds of “gigs”, I have seen him sign autographs for literally thousands of people, of all ages and sexes. Never once, NOT ONCE, have I ever seen him abuse, or be inappropriate with ANYBODY and this is with me working closely with him, on stage, back stage, driving him, body guarding him, and sharing part of the same house with him for over 12 years.
Something in his recent “conviction” is very, very wrong. Rolf has, on legal advice, kept a dignified silence. His trial was supposed to present evidence to convict, “Beyond reasonable doubt.” Well, sorry, there was so much “reasonable doubt” that the case should have been thrown out before it even started. The Judge in his summing up was no where near, “Impartial” and the media have done their best to bring on that “conviction” prior to the trial and needed a “soft target,” they got it in Rolf. A household name celebrity, loved by the people for being exactly who he is, a warm, open hearted, loving man. British justice has just left the building with this disgraceful verdict.
“The powers that be” have needed a “patsy” a “Scape goat” because of the debacle around Savile, (a total psychopath, ■■■■■■ predator) to put the spot light on some other poor soul to keep the “Sheeple” of the world appeased and in fear, while the real pedophiles of the UK go untouched and remain cloaked and protected by the insidious perversions of the very establishments that have just “convicted” my dear friend.
So that you know, Rolf has totally supported me, a ■■■■■■■■ abused, runaway kid, who had no real parents, no home and no sense of self worth until Rolf came in to my life. I will always love him very dearly and stand by him 100%.
To the justice system of the UK, shame on you, shame on you.
To Mr. Rolf Harris, you are my dear friend, I love you very much, I hold the vision of you safe return home ASAP to the arms of your beloved Alwen.
I say this in all truth.
Chris “Shining Bear” Brosnan
Please, if you care about real justice and support my words, please share this post, we can make a difference, if you feel not to, that’s ok, I understand."<<<<
Harry Hill would know how to sort this out - FIGHT!!
Just been watching that Kieth Lemon ,reminds me of JS ,also born in Leeds - do you think they are related? Son of JS!