Road transport in the UK

We’re not very good at it, are we? I mean we use funny axle configurations that we claim protect the road, yet our roads are in a pretty poor state compared to other European countries. We have vehicles that are too high to go under a large percentage of our own bridges, (never mind continental ones) which are rarely loaded to max capacity. We have a self-financing and therefore self-interested agency effectively in charge of vehicles and drivers. Most of the major operators in our industry are foreign owned or branches of foreign firms. The vehicles we drive are mostly spec’d by accountants, not people with a knowledge of trucks.

I could go on, but I want to know what others think.

I also want to make clear that this is not a rant or a moan, it’s purely an observation. I’m comparing the UK approach with the rest of Europe and I’m struggling to think of a single positive for the UK :frowning:

*1^^^^ We certainly aren’t the best :frowning:

That is very true. Our legislation us ridiculous, typical out of touch representation from the Government…

The difference in other countries is that their equivalent to the RHA/FTA actually have some ■■■■■■■■ and do more than spout a load of hot air.

I had high hopes for the RHA when Jack Semple took the reins, but have yet to see anything productive from them.

Our transport industry in many cases simply reflects what has happened to the rest of Britsh industry.

Ignored and penalised in favour of the finance industry (and look where that got us), forced to accomodate more and more ludicrous legislation, which increased costs continually until no longer able to compete, poorly managed leading to shutdown unable to compete with foreign competition often playing on a different field with no costs comparison.

Unions bear a great responsibility here, as much as management, the two needed to work together to make realistic decisions about working practices production etc, instead of which we lost everything, aided and abetted by governments who wanted complete integration with the EU and global trade which meant competing with the likes of China and Eastern Europe on a grossly uphill playing field…although the electorate voted in those who sold our country every time so people must have wanted this self destruction.

There’s nothing in the main wrong with British workers, other than the increasing welfare state and the fashion for further education, whether applicable to the student or not, has tended to give young people unrealistic expectations of their role in life (celebrity culture here bears a huge blame)…we often complain about feckless youths causing trouble aimless drugged and generally bloody useless…well even 30 years ago those same youths would have had to be up at 5am to be on time for their long apprenticeships for decent full time jobs, losing those jobs meant having no money and no prospects other than crap manual jobs, so they had something to live for and a useful future to work for other than drugs little ■■■■■■■ gangs and the latest bloody phone app.

I haven’t touched on the elephant in the room, the biggest self destruct movement that has changed this country forever and there is no going back from.
Deliberate and planned uncontrolled unlimited immigration especially following the election of the Blair government (and continued by the cloned coalition con), who with his cabal of traitors deliberately set out to change this country by importing millions of people who owe little if any allegiance to us and wish to turn this country into the countries they came from, well except for the welfare state NHS and all the benefit goodies which the dumps they came from didn’t have and in many cases they haven’t contributed one penny to those benefits they receive here, what did anyone with an ounce of sense think would happen with such an unprecedented influx of peope onto a relatively small island.

Millions of these immigrants if they work at all are in minimum wage jobs, what the hell benefit would they be to a nation in mostly subsidised jobs which most mimimum wage jobs are, millions of extra mouths to feed and service including their children to educate.

What were our electorate on when they continually voted turkey like for their very own Christmas, our dying industries and well paid workers taxed ever higher to pay for this immigration experiment till industry went bust, sold out and the tax paying workers often forced into lower paid jobs, themselves often becoming subsidised with ‘family credits’ or other tax breaks, the whole thing is a sham, a house of cards, and its all coming down.

Transport has been affected just the same, open borders leading to relatively uncontrolled movements for foreign transport again playing on a sloped field.

Increased legislation and environmental concerns (big booming industry for the right non job seekers the environment) causing ever increasing costs, dying industries that didn’t make anything so needed no transport of their manufactured goods.

Transport increasingly simply ferrying containerised imported Chinese tat to the myriad of massive warehouses dotted all over the country where that Chinese tat is unloaded and racked by east europeans, then reloaded onto huge trailers by more east europeans and then delivered to retail shops, or increasingly bought over the net and ferried via parcel companies, more east europeans, to the customer direct.

Look at the general road transport out there, its all bloody imports service industries.

Foreign lorries by the thousand bringing in their products ranging from food to tyres to glass.
Containers ferrying Chinese tat.
The white goods and general tat retail distribution centres like Argos Knowhow etc ferrying Chinese and other foreign made rubbish to their retail sites.
General haulage servicing the food distribution chain…this probably makes up 40% of the transport industry.
Supermarket lorries taking food plus Chinese tat and Indian sweat shop made clothes to their massive stores.
Car transporters carrying mainly imported cars, but also thankfully carrying some made here by exclusively foreign owned companies for export (well made by real British workers)…though worryingly some of those remaining factories are on prime land perfect for midlands airport expansion and B’ham housing, we’ll see where that goes.
Other service industries, from drain clearing to double glazing manufacturers.

Where’s the skill in any of the above, how rarely do we see lorries carrying goods made here requiring specialist traditional haulage skills, the whole industry dumbed ever further down.

We don’t even make our own lorries any more, how sad is that, we lease the standardised foreign made stuff run it for 5 years and replace it.

The roads as mentioned are in a state because the transport industry is servicing an increasingly overpopulated island on an inadequate road network.

Maybe this rant isn’t what the OP had in mind, but its what i see has happened to our country and the transport industry is just one of the many victims.

Remember you the electorate voted for what has happened, you believed liars spivs and traitors who gave away and sold your country from beneath your feet, whilst feathering their own nests nicely thankyou, kerching.

Think over what has happened when you next vote, if you vote for more of the same then more of the same will be the result.

British Leyland was down tools for any excuse not to work.All their cars were skips on wheels.Austin Maestro.The Japs copied the design of the Uk motorbikes and took over the world while the Uk makers were asleep or on strike.
The Erf could have been a good truck.
With an English goods in worker you get attitude and their delivery is a major inconvenience to their day.A foreign worker just gets on with it and does not moan.
It is sad that the youth would prefer a call centre job.

When you see weighbridge tickets for 53.6 and 54 tons from Dutch registered vehicles on 5 axles…Well, you know the rest.

Nice post Juddian. Hit the target with that one…

Juddian:
Our transport industry in many cases simply reflects what has happened to the rest of Britsh industry.

Ignored and penalised in favour of the finance industry (and look where that got us), forced to accomodate more and more ludicrous legislation, which increased costs continually until no longer able to compete, poorly managed leading to shutdown unable to compete with foreign competition often playing on a different field with no costs comparison.

Unions bear a great responsibility here, as much as management, the two needed to work together to make realistic decisions about working practices production etc, instead of which we lost everything, aided and abetted by governments who wanted complete integration with the EU and global trade which meant competing with the likes of China and Eastern Europe on a grossly uphill playing field…although the electorate voted in those who sold our country every time so people must have wanted this self destruction.

There’s nothing in the main wrong with British workers, other than the increasing welfare state and the fashion for further education, whether applicable to the student or not, has tended to give young people unrealistic expectations of their role in life (celebrity culture here bears a huge blame)…we often complain about feckless youths causing trouble aimless drugged and generally bloody useless…well even 30 years ago those same youths would have had to be up at 5am to be on time for their long apprenticeships for decent full time jobs, losing those jobs meant having no money and no prospects other than crap manual jobs, so they had something to live for and a useful future to work for other than drugs little ■■■■■■■ gangs and the latest bloody phone app.

I haven’t touched on the elephant in the room, the biggest self destruct movement that has changed this country forever and there is no going back from.
Deliberate and planned uncontrolled unlimited immigration especially following the election of the Blair government (and continued by the cloned coalition con), who with his cabal of traitors deliberately set out to change this country by importing millions of people who owe little if any allegiance to us and wish to turn this country into the countries they came from, well except for the welfare state NHS and all the benefit goodies which the dumps they came from didn’t have and in many cases they haven’t contributed one penny to those benefits they receive here, what did anyone with an ounce of sense think would happen with such an unprecedented influx of peope onto a relatively small island.

Millions of these immigrants if they work at all are in minimum wage jobs, what the hell benefit would they be to a nation in mostly subsidised jobs which most mimimum wage jobs are, millions of extra mouths to feed and service including their children to educate.

What were our electorate on when they continually voted turkey like for their very own Christmas, our dying industries and well paid workers taxed ever higher to pay for this immigration experiment till industry went bust, sold out and the tax paying workers often forced into lower paid jobs, themselves often becoming subsidised with ‘family credits’ or other tax breaks, the whole thing is a sham, a house of cards, and its all coming down.

Transport has been affected just the same, open borders leading to relatively uncontrolled movements for foreign transport again playing on a sloped field.

Increased legislation and environmental concerns (big booming industry for the right non job seekers the environment) causing ever increasing costs, dying industries that didn’t make anything so needed no transport of their manufactured goods.

Transport increasingly simply ferrying containerised imported Chinese tat to the myriad of massive warehouses dotted all over the country where that Chinese tat is unloaded and racked by east europeans, then reloaded onto huge trailers by more east europeans and then delivered to retail shops, or increasingly bought over the net and ferried via parcel companies, more east europeans, to the customer direct.

Look at the general road transport out there, its all bloody imports service industries.

Foreign lorries by the thousand bringing in their products ranging from food to tyres to glass.
Containers ferrying Chinese tat.
The white goods and general tat retail distribution centres like Argos Knowhow etc ferrying Chinese and other foreign made rubbish to their retail sites.
General haulage servicing the food distribution chain…this probably makes up 40% of the transport industry.
Supermarket lorries taking food plus Chinese tat and Indian sweat shop made clothes to their massive stores.
Car transporters carrying mainly imported cars, but also thankfully carrying some made here by exclusively foreign owned companies for export (well made by real British workers)…though worryingly some of those remaining factories are on prime land perfect for midlands airport expansion and B’ham housing, we’ll see where that goes.
Other service industries, from drain clearing to double glazing manufacturers.

Where’s the skill in any of the above, how rarely do we see lorries carrying goods made here requiring specialist traditional haulage skills, the whole industry dumbed ever further down.

We don’t even make our own lorries any more, how sad is that, we lease the standardised foreign made stuff run it for 5 years and replace it.

The roads as mentioned are in a state because the transport industry is servicing an increasingly overpopulated island on an inadequate road network.

Maybe this rant isn’t what the OP had in mind, but its what i see has happened to our country and the transport industry is just one of the many victims.

Remember you the electorate voted for what has happened, you believed liars spivs and traitors who gave away and sold your country from beneath your feet, whilst feathering their own nests nicely thankyou, kerching.

Think over what has happened when you next vote, if you vote for more of the same then more of the same will be the result.

Absolutely spot on. No more need be said.

If wages are lower now when they were twenty years ago why are house prices so high and a working man can not afford the artificialy high price.
If you imagine the house as a pile of bricks you do not get much for the money as the rooms are just air space.
If other countries get an earthquake and roads are destroyed they can build a new road in a week but the Uk would take a year or more.
If you see the film with Michael Douglas called Falling Down you will see what i mean.

as regards the roads its a well known fact that half the road tax money does not go on repairing or maintaining our roads, that includes car tax,one of the worst roads is the A37 from dorchester to yeovil constantly bouncing up and down and hitting potholes

The A 37 Shepton Mallet to Bristol is a bad road.
In the village of Pensford there are no warning signs for a narrow rosd or oncoming vehicles due to that wall sticking out and about to fall down soon and the pavements going out in to the road.One day two Adr loads will collide and cause a disaster.
Why folks live two feet away from trucks grinding up and down the hill there is beyond me.
The Wyle valley Codford area is known for fatal crashes and should be dual carriagway from Bristol to Southampton.

toby1234abc:
British Leyland was down tools for any excuse not to work.All their cars were skips on wheels.Austin Maestro.The Japs copied the design of the Uk motorbikes and took over the world while the Uk makers were asleep or on strike.
The Erf could have been a good truck.
With an English goods in worker you get attitude and their delivery is a major inconvenience to their day.A foreign worker just gets on with it and does not moan.
It is sad that the youth would prefer a call centre job.

Almost complete bollox there Toby! Got a picture of Maggie on the wall?

newmercman:
Nice post Juddian. Hit the target with that one…

Can’t disagree with that!

truckman20:
as regards the roads its a well known fact that half the road tax money does not go on repairing or maintaining our roads, that includes car tax,one of the worst roads is the A37 from dorchester to yeovil constantly bouncing up and down and hitting potholes

Wrong! It’s a well known fact that only around 15% of revenue raised from all road users is spent on the road network.

toby1234abc:
The A 37 Shepton Mallet to Bristol is a bad road.
In the village of Pensford there are no warning signs for a narrow rosd or oncoming vehicles due to that wall sticking out and about to fall down soon and the pavements going out in to the road.One day two Adr loads will collide and cause a disaster.
Why folks live two feet away from trucks grinding up and down the hill there is beyond me.
The Wyle valley Codford area is known for fatal crashes and should be dual carriagway from Bristol to Southampton.

Don’t forget the yummy mummy and her push chair!

And the cottages would have been built in the days of horses and carts - long before the nasty juggernauts!

Live and let live eh? :wink: Just an opinion btw.

A lot of what was posted above is true, however we have a lot of blame to take ourselves, when your washing machine/stereo/tv/vacuum cleaner etc etc, breaks down, or back in the 60/70s, broke down, we, truckers, average worker, wanted to replace it, but couldnt afford to buy the latest or top of the range, sol Chuina/ Turkey offered a good replacement, at a much lower price, a price we could afford, so there goes the Buy British campaign. The same can be said about our car industry, instead of going out for a nice drive, we were constantly under the bonnet of the heaps that we owned, But, the japs came to our rescue, and offered a car that was reliable, trustworthy, and cheaper than our own, they took cars from the uk, bought the plant, and made cars that were identical in shape, but all the running gear was far more superior, the only thing they couldnt do ( in my opinion ) was turn a lexus into a mercedes, but came very close. The trucking industry suffered badly, we were crying out for a good reliable truck, one that had a bed and all the home comforts, and could pull a house down, we came close again, but not quick enough, so VOLVO and SCANIA jumped in and filled the void, and are STILL here today. looking back, our trucks were heaps of ■■■■,. the best thing about some,were the engines, if that engine happened to be a ■■■■■■■■ but that was american anyway, and they had a job on their hands to get them accepted over here, not by drivers, but by manufacturers.
Roads, well, we all know that if the govt spent road tax money ion the roads, we would have the finest roads money could buy, and also the best in Europe, but way back, when motorways were first thought of, even the minister of transport ( ernie marples) buil the first one ( marples construction) funny that ! he actually used far less superior materials, than was asked for ( to save money ) then it had to be dug up and done again, and never was he reprimanded for that blatant rip off of tax payers money, bit like today really, when murphy digs up the road, repairs it, re-lays it, and a fortnight later, it collapses, or sinks, and someone gets paid for doing the job all over again, because they are not accountable, ask yourself, if that was a job in your home, would you pay twice.
So, as time moves on, companies still try and out beat each other, to be the best, to make the best, and as we know, the best man wins, and thats a peoples choice, to buy what they can afford, whether its from China, Taiwan, USA, or Europe, or even dear old blighty, price rules the world, and always will do.

Would anyone here rather drive a Leyland Roadtrain over the much-hated Axor?

The job has become easier over the years.
Making any money out of it is MUCH harder though. :frowning:

Winseer:
Would anyone here rather drive a Leyland Roadtrain over the much-hated Axor? The job has become easier over the years.Making any money out of it is MUCH harder though. :frowning:

i’d love a roadtrain again! :laughing: JUDDIAN FOR PRIME MINISTER! :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: ERF TWINSPLITTER E16 for my tanker! :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

It’s not bad considering you can get a pallet picked up in Penzance at 3pm and have it delivered to your customer in Aberdeen by 12 noon the next day.

Juddian and truckyboy, thanks so much for your time and consideration. Really, thank you both. Thanks also to everyone else so far.

I really want a driver’s perspective, after all we get enough of everybody else’s… I just don’t want my own opinions to cloud my judgement.

Again, thanks all.