all sorted now, im going on the p1ss with £415 
and buy some more shiny bits 
Sorry to have to say this,but they’re not in the real world as the rest of us know it! btw have connections to the haulage industry going back many generations long before “O” licence days 
In their defence they are good when you need actual factually correct advice rather than asking the majority on here
They were good for asking questions too, but I got sick of them trying to sell me stuff, Have I missed them ■■? No
coiler:
In their defence they are good when you need actual factually correct advice rather than asking the majority on here
They certainly know what they’re talking about but imho spend too much time trying to sell stuff from their shop and organising expensive dinners
They had a good Livestock group, but always seemed to have meetings on working days in an expensive London hotel
The only reason I can see for joining is if your customers want you to run under their Conditions of Carriage.
Denis F:
The only reason I can see for joining is if your customers want you to run under their Conditions of Carriage.
Ditto! 
So if you don’t use rha conditions of carriage, whose do you use? Assuming fta is tarred with the same brush
coiler:
So if you don’t use rha conditions of carriage, whose do you use? Assuming fta is tarred with the same brush
I use STRAWGALORES conditions of carriage !
If you impose RHA or FLA or any others conditions of carriage then I found customers not wanting me to shift their stuff, I had one load that nearly filled a 40 foot curtainside but weighed only 2 and half ton, load value was over 40k but CoC would have been about 2k.
Just use proper GIT insurance.
Harry Monk:
The general consensus of opinion seems to be that they are only really interested in operators running 35+ trucks. I don’t know if that is true, just what small hauliers have always told me.
They ain’t interested in anything beyond their next dinner event, a total waste of time and energy if you ask me…and you (the OP) did in a roundabout way
This week they have been lobbying the Minister of transport about cyclists and mixing with HGV. The transport Minister was driven round London in a lorry and witnessed a girl riding a bike up the inside of a lorry, she had no helmet or hiviz, but was wearing earphones whilst texting on her mobile. 
They also saw the difficulties transport workers have when delivering to London construction sites, each company have their own needs and requirements which are not consistent, so a vehicle which is authorised to go onto a Tarmac site may be disqualified from entering a Balfour Beatty site. THE RHA want a level playing field for everyone.
THE RHA also put it to Steven Hammond that some officers from VOSA were not fully up to speed with regulations and that they sang from different hymn sheets, he said that OCRS was making things better but would look at the standards of vehicle examiners and inspections.
They even asked about the strange practice of allowing an operator with a restricted licence who can run a full weight artic with no transport manager or even a full understanding of the law, while a properly licensed operator had to jump through hoops.
They even told me that the decision to raise HGV speed limits was imminent and would be known by the end of March, although they were reluctant to say if there would be any change.
I gleaned loads of other things too, it depends whether you want to know what is happening in the transport world, or wait until it is in Commercial Motor or repeated on here, badly.
So you’re saying that they do a lot of behind the scenes stuff then Malc? I agree with that, however in the scheme of things does any of that matter to the hire and reward sector…or road hauliers as they are sometimes called?
As Tarmac and Balfour Beatty prove, each company’s H&S rules will be different, but when it comes to anti cyclist squishing devices on lorries in London everyone will use the stuff that is on the market, even if Boris doesn’t legislate it so they can avoid paying out compo to the nearest and dearest of the self propelled suicide merchants.
Looking at VOSA’s performance will achieve what? My guess is that the ones who are zero tolerance will set the standard for the more lenient.
Restricted O licences? Who cares, they ain’t in competition with hire and reward hauliers and if it wasn’t for all the stupid hoops you have to jump through actually keeping a lorry on the road is a piece of ■■■■. Own account operations usually run brand new kit, most often on contract hire.
So what exactly have they done for the haulage industry?
Even raising the speed limit is going to have little effect unless a fleet runs predominantly on 40mph roads and even then the extra productivity will be negligible, if it is not swallowed up by waiting time somewhere caused by a harebrained H&S policy.
Can you enlighten me please.
Do i need to be RHA member to be able to take out load/trailer insurance on RHA conditions of carriage?
Thanks
Trans
To use rha conditions of carriage you should be a member of the rha. Otherwise get an insurance quote under “all risks” but it may be more expensive.
Wheel Nut:
This week they have been lobbying the Minister of transport about cyclists and mixing with HGV. The transport Minister was driven round London in a lorry and witnessed a girl riding a bike up the inside of a lorry, she had no helmet or hiviz, but was wearing earphones whilst texting on her mobile.They also saw the difficulties transport workers have when delivering to London construction sites, each company have their own needs and requirements which are not consistent, so a vehicle which is authorised to go onto a Tarmac site may be disqualified from entering a Balfour Beatty site. THE RHA want a level playing field for everyone.
THE RHA also put it to Steven Hammond that some officers from VOSA were not fully up to speed with regulations and that they sang from different hymn sheets, he said that OCRS was making things better but would look at the standards of vehicle examiners and inspections.
They even asked about the strange practice of allowing an operator with a restricted licence who can run a full weight artic with no transport manager or even a full understanding of the law, while a properly licensed operator had to jump through hoops.
They even told me that the decision to raise HGV speed limits was imminent and would be known by the end of March, although they were reluctant to say if there would be any change.
I gleaned loads of other things too, it depends whether you want to know what is happening in the transport world, or wait until it is in Commercial Motor or repeated on here, badly.
I am a paid up member of the RHA and feel it is worth the subscription. Being a member is the only way you can trade using RHA conditions of carriage. Also as the op says, you get true information, not the ‘hearsay’ that you get on here. There are twice yearly regional briefings to keep you informed of developments in the industry. There is also access to the help desk at Peterborough and also you can also contact your regional manager who I have always found very helpful.
When I had my FORS audit, they were pleased to see this as a way of keeping up to date with what is happening in the industry. There is also a monthly magazine which again keeps you informed. I also had a routine VOSA visit when changed o licence from sole trader to limited company and the VOSA inspector was pleased to see I belonged to the RHA which kept me ‘up to date’.
I also subscribe to their lawplan and found the advice very good when I needed advice when I had some disciplinary problems with a couple of drivers resulting in being taken through all the correct procedures for a lawful dismissal.
translimited:
Can you enlighten me please.
Do i need to be RHA member to be able to take out load/trailer insurance on RHA conditions of carriage?Thanks
Trans
spoken with 2 different insurance brokers. they said NO
They are wrong - you can only legally use RHA Conditions of Carriage is you are a paid up member of the RHA. Think about it logically, whhy would the RHA bother to create the industry standard and then allow non-members to use it? It would giving away a perk of membership, making less people likely to join. If you run under RHA Conditions and find you want to shelter under those Conditions if it goes Pete Tong, you will find the Conditions invalid.
I’m happy to be a member, occasionally go to the free meetings they have that bring you up to date on certain aspects. If it wasn’t for membership fees, then it would be harder to have a voice lobbying government - wether they lobby as well or in the right way is always going to be subjective.
albion:
They are wrong - you can only legally use RHA Conditions of Carriage is you are a paid up member of the RHA. Think about it logically, whhy would the RHA bother to create the industry standard and then allow non-members to use it? It would giving away a perk of membership, making less people likely to join. If you run under RHA Conditions and find you want to shelter under those Conditions if it goes Pete Tong, you will find the Conditions invalid.
Why do you think you are right more than the brokers?
Can anybody check t & c’s in the insurance policy on the rha conditions please?(does it say anything regarding being the member of the rha)
The RHA Conditions of Carriage are available for exclusive use by members. In addition there are a number of sector Conditions available such as Livestock, Storage, Caravan Hauliers, and Abnormal Indivisible Loads.
Conditions of carriage
They are recognised as the industry standard when it comes to conditions of carriage and are only legally allowed to be used by fully paid up members of the Road Haulage Association.
Neville 1:
A complete and utter waste of money…always has been…always will be.
+1…the ultimate reply… though you should get a nice sticker for your windscreen.