Rest Break on Hard Shoulder

[cruise_control]

Feel free to move this if this is in the wrong forum I’m fairy new to this

A while ago i was driving across the M62 towards leeds and it was stop start traffic - no accident just sheer amount of traffic usual thing.

But on the hard shoulder as i went by i saw a supermarket truck (they shall remain nameless, but you always leave the shop with loose change in your back pocket ) parked up on the hard shoulder sitting reading a news paper.

So I can only assume he was taking a rest break but then again he could of broken down but it was a fairly new truck. I thought that was illegal - i am assuming that if you get into that situation where it is stop start traffic and your 5 miles from next junction you just have to keep going to get off even if it takes you 2 hours?

I have yet to see a motorway slip road that has a sign saying “MOTORWAY REGUALTIONS END” before the hard shoulder meets the top of the motorway junction so you can legally park up on it?

Do many of these exsist?

[peirre]

I see it happening more and more, but at the end of the day doing it leaves you at risk of a fine for stopping on a hard shoulder in situation other than in an emergency.
You leave yourself with a couple of options within the interpretations of the tacho rules;

1. you should have planned to allow yourself a break sooner and not run to the limit (yeah right who does )
   to anticipate for any change in traffic conditions.
2. go over your 4.5hrs to find a place a place of safety, so you can get off the motorway and find suitable parking, and write on your tacho an explaination, inc time, location etc.

Though I have found myself sitting still long enough in lane 2 to actually take a full 45mins. Once on the A1 near doncaster I was sat 6-7hrs due to a FATAC

[coddy]

Yeah you can go over 4.5 hours to get to a place of safety, but you must write in the back of the tacho/printout, when/why etc…

BUT

Do it ona regular basis and VOSA will have you for ‘repitition’

This only works if held up at an accident etc, it wont if you are coming up on a jam knowing its 25 miles long and you only have 15 minutes left etc…

[bosshogg]

Parking on the hard shoulder is a no no, you can only stop in an emergency. It’s possible the wagon had a near side blow out and was waiting for the tyre fitter. All slip roads are part of the network, so you can’t legally stop even though I’ve seen 100’s of truckers stopped having a tacho break

[cruise_control]

The Highway Man:
Parking on the hard shoulder is a no no, you can only stop in an emergency. It’s possible the wagon had a near side blow out and was waiting for the tyre fitter. All slip roads are part of the network, so you can’t legally stop even though I’ve seen 100’s of truckers stopped having a tacho break

I thought their was something in the WTD (I may be wrong) that said you can have you tacho break on slip road as long as your past the MOTORWAY RESTRICTIONS FINISH HERE sign, although i have yet to see a sign that isnt slap bang on the roundabout at the top. I might be wrong though and just mis-understood it.

if anybody could clear that up?

Cheers.

[reef]

I’ve done it once on the M4 took about an hour and a half to travel a couple of miles because of an accident by which time i was nearly half an hour over my 4 and a half drive so i stopped along with 3 or 4 others on the exit ramp hard shoulder and fair play to HATO they arrived about 2 mins after i stopped and came down the line of trucks and all they asked us was how long we’d each be there for… top lads.

[blissy]

Go round the M25 (south side) any night of the week and you will see no end of foreign trucks parked up for the night on the hard shoulder…i dont know how they get away with it .

[bosshogg]

pecjam23:

The Highway Man:
Parking on the hard shoulder is a no no, you can only stop in an emergency. It’s possible the wagon had a near side blow out and was waiting for the tyre fitter. All slip roads are part of the network, so you can’t legally stop even though I’ve seen 100’s of truckers stopped having a tacho break

I thought their was something in the WTD (I may be wrong) that said you can have you tacho break on slip road as long as your past the MOTORWAY RESTRICTIONS FINISH HERE sign, although i have yet to see a sign that isnt slap bang on the roundabout at the top. I might be wrong though and just mis-understood it.

if anybody could clear that up?

Cheers.

You’re right, the motorway restrictions end at the top of the slip at the roundabout, hence why the end of motorway signs are next to the give way signs.

[pierrot_14]

You should go round the M25 southern section (tween 12 & 7) normally Anti-clock, there’s always a wagon (more often than not ex Eastern Euro) parked up, curtains closed, behind the bridge supports, or on the M20 ( Maidstone services jnct) on the entry slip. They’re always being moved on by Kent poilce on that one.
There’s another post on here about “more rest areas” and I agree with that one, WE NEED MORE PARKING AREAS For those of you that go to France, you will know how good the facilities are on their M/ways, parking areas every 15 K’s or so and Services every 30 - 40 K’s

[brit_pete]

Unfortunatly due to the negligence of successive goverments
in the UK ,we do not have enough parking areas for the trucks to use
sowhether it is agreeable or not the driver has to park some where
I live and work abroad we have problems which are increaseing daily as the
traffic increases on the roads, so why does the UK goverment not
get its proverbal finger out and build more parking areas for those trucks whose drivers are haveing to go over they time for driveing ,working because
the parking areas are full, or do they expect the truck just to work
say 2-4 HRS AND THEN PARK UP, this is a problem that has to be addressed
and sorted out ASAP , how many more people must suffer before
we get decent parking areas for trucks■■?

[secretelephant]

You quite often see a fair few foreign trucks parked up around J1-J2 of the M6 because the HS is over double the normal width for some reason.

Yet to see any plod move them on.

[extrucker]

Whilst some colleagues were dealing with a fatal on the M25,and the closures,we were sent to look for a truck driver in lane 2, in the stationary traffic,possibly having a heart attack.We were fighting our way down the h/s,very slowly trying to past hgv after hgv (99% foreign) having tacho breaks when the paramedic caught us up.It took over 30 mins to run the junctions given.This should have taken about 8.We never found the truck but later found out an ambulance had been called to a truck at the next exit.So we guessed that the traffic had started moving before we reached him,and he drove off the m/way.Because of these parked trucks,the driver could have passed away with a paramedic minutes away,but unable to get to him.

[chiz]

pecjam23:

The Highway Man:
Parking on the hard shoulder is a no no, you can only stop in an emergency. It’s possible the wagon had a near side blow out and was waiting for the tyre fitter. All slip roads are part of the network, so you can’t legally stop even though I’ve seen 100’s of truckers stopped having a tacho break

I thought their was something in the WTD (I may be wrong) that said you can have you tacho break on slip road as long as your past the MOTORWAY RESTRICTIONS FINISH HERE sign, although i have yet to see a sign that isnt slap bang on the roundabout at the top. I might be wrong though and just mis-understood it.

if anybody could clear that up?

Cheers.

When I did my NVQ’s (L3 Road Freight Logistics, L3 Driving Goods Vehicles) that’s what they were teaching.

I tried it once and got moved on, haven’t bothered since.

[dieseldog6]

It was much easier in the 70’s/ 80’s could just pull the fuse out. opps!!! I hope no one is reading this.

[cruise_control]

dieseldog6:
It was much easier in the 70’s/ 80’s could just pull the fuse out. opps!!! I hope no one is reading this.

nowadays mate the trucks just splutter and grind to a halt (so i’ve heard) if you try that.

and you have to exaplain to boss and leasing company what you were doing taking fuses out

[speedyguy]

brit pete:
Unfortunatly due to the negligence of successive goverments
in the UK ,we do not have enough parking areas for the trucks to use
sowhether it is agreeable or not the driver has to park some where
, so why does the UK goverment not
get its proverbal finger out and build more parking areas for those trucks whose drivers are haveing to go over they time for driveing ,working because
the parking areas are full, or do they expect the truck just to work
say 2-4 HRS AND THEN PARK UP, this is a problem that has to be addressed
and sorted out ASAP , how many more people must suffer before
we get decent parking areas for trucks■■?

With regard to rughyeds prob trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/posting.php

There seem to be big issues with a lack of truck parking on/near the motorway and trunk road network.

If a Hato stops with you, (to check your not having a heart attack or whatever ) hopefully they will radio it in to get a Log no. then when they pull all the statistics off the at the days/week/month end, there will be an issue raised as to lack of truck parking facilities.

It’s a bit of an issue being stuck between a rock and a hard place, if the logs aren’t created the all seeing H/A see no problem, hopefully it will go the way of better parking facilities, even if it just meant extending truck parking onto the fields by the services but the greenies would start moaning and the MSG’s probably wouldn’t invest the money.

There again it may go the way of getting on the police’s backs to ticket more trucker’s for illegal use of the H/S (bearing in mind that is what dreva and a few others may want ).

There are a fair few ex truckies as hato’s and as such we have some idea of the problems and do try to get things looked at.
Which is more than what has happened when some of the civil service H/a management which makes decisions, left high school sat behind a desk and don’t use the motorways so don’t have a clear an understanding of the problems caused by their decisions.

In fact why don’t you ring 08457 50 40 30 and tell them, or email them,

Ps
junction8truckstop.co.uk/
Reasonably new and not too bad only 5 mins from stoak interchange Jnc 15 M56 and at £12 a night it may be cheaper than lymm if your heading to/from wales/ireland. Only a thought

[pierrot_14]

Reasonably new and not too bad only 5 mins from stoak interchange Jnc 15 M56 and at £12 a night it may be cheaper than lymm if your heading to/from wales/ireland. Only a thought "

And here we are with my biggest pet hate
Why should any person have to pay for something they have to do imposed BY LAW

[speedyguy]

pierrot 14:
[ And here we are with my biggest pet hate
Why should any person have to pay for something they have to do imposed BY LAW :twisted

It’s only a thought, but why should anyone provide a free service ? Specific to all sites not just that one they all have to pay rent/tax, put a new secure fence around, get someone to clean the bogs etc, i suppose if you dont want to pay for a few basic facilities You can park on a nearby indutrial estate and leave a bottle of ■■■■ by the roadside as usual for the local council cleaners to pick up.

Nothing is really free is it ?

[dieseldog6]

Pecjam 23… leasing Co not much of that back then, explain to the boss? who do you think fitted them.

[pierrot_14]

Don’t have to pay in other countries and the facilities are probably 100 times better than here. I know that they are not all good abroad obviously, likewise there are good ones here. I understand what you say about wages etc. to be paid at these places, but they charge that much for the other facilities ( especially on the M/ways) it’s like an easy way to make money out of the truckers/haulage industry, because WE HAVE TO STOP. and for your info we don’t all leave those little yellow filled bottles, also some drivers don’t even use the bottle and that’s in the said parking facilities, have you ever smelt the parking bay areas in the summer ■■