kr79:
No doubt next year our roads will be full of kenworths peterblts and macks then.
Admittedly extremely unlikely.But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a case that the maintenance and depreciation figures might add up better running one of those than a euro wagon in the long term over a high mileage.
Were we gonna get two football pitches EVERY time we need to turn one of those dinosaurs around
An ordinary cab over wouldn’t make much difference while having a bonnet and the engine out front on a conventional might just make all the difference in the event of hitting something if they’d relax the length regs here to allow them.
But as for ‘dinosaurs’ there’s even a load of whingers on the ex pats section moaning about being lucky enough to still be using a fuller box.
kr79:
No doubt next year our roads will be full of kenworths peterblts and macks then.
Admittedly extremely unlikely.But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a case that the maintenance and depreciation figures might add up better running one of those than a euro wagon in the long term over a high mileage.
I’d imagine in lots of ways they are fairly complex now they have the EPA 10 em missions standards to meet.
I don’t think the EPA has any juristiction in the Ozzy outback.
No there regs run in sync with euro1-5 standards so no let up there. So I assume most new kenworths have the paccar mx engine same as daf which is a great big pile of kangaroo pooh.
kr79:
No there regs run in sync with euro1-5 standards so no let up there. So I assume most new kenworths have the paccar mx engine same as daf which is a great big pile of kangaroo pooh.
Maybe that’s why they seem to be relying more on these instead .
But the fact is they’re also still getting plenty of use out of the older 1970’s technology like CAT 3408 powered wagons let alone later 1990’s 60 series Detroit powered ones amongst others with the difference that the older products can still hold their value and get the job done.
No suprise that they haven’t written off using proper manual fuller boxes yet either.
kr79:
No doubt next year our roads will be full of kenworths peterblts and macks then.
Admittedly extremely unlikely.But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a case that the maintenance and depreciation figures might add up better running one of those than a euro wagon in the long term over a high mileage.
In Russia, or Latin America for that matter, both American and European trucks are available with the same easiness… And yet somehow European style are more sought after and the local manufacturers also tend to make European style ones…
kr79:
No doubt next year our roads will be full of kenworths peterblts and macks then.
Admittedly extremely unlikely.But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a case that the maintenance and depreciation figures might add up better running one of those than a euro wagon in the long term over a high mileage.
In Russia, or Latin America for that matter, both American and European trucks are available with the same easiness… And yet somehow European style are more sought after and the local manufacturers also tend to make European style ones…
It’s the bottom line that matters orys and no one pays more money for anything than they need to.In this case the valuations speak for themselves and that’s even with just a 380 motor without the 13 speed fuller in it.
kr79:
No doubt next year our roads will be full of kenworths peterblts and macks then.
Admittedly extremely unlikely.But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a case that the maintenance and depreciation figures might add up better running one of those than a euro wagon in the long term over a high mileage.
In Russia, or Latin America for that matter, both American and European trucks are available with the same easiness… And yet somehow European style are more sought after and the local manufacturers also tend to make European style ones…
It’s the bottom line that matters orys and no one pays more money for anything than they need to.In this case the valuations speak for themselves and that’s even with just a 380 motor without the 13 speed fuller in it.
I don’t think the American truck is dearer because its better rarity here will push the price up. Old truck prices are largely down to there export value. V8 scanias volvos and mercs don’t go that cheap due to strong export market whereas the Renault doesn’t have that reputation.
kr79:
No doubt next year our roads will be full of kenworths peterblts and macks then.
Admittedly extremely unlikely.But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a case that the maintenance and depreciation figures might add up better running one of those than a euro wagon in the long term over a high mileage.
In Russia, or Latin America for that matter, both American and European trucks are available with the same easiness… And yet somehow European style are more sought after and the local manufacturers also tend to make European style ones…
It’s the bottom line that matters orys and no one pays more money for anything than they need to.In this case the valuations speak for themselves and that’s even with just a 380 motor without the 13 speed fuller in it.
Old truck prices are largely down to there export value. V8 scanias volvos and mercs don’t go that cheap due to strong export market whereas the Renault doesn’t have that reputation.
Absolutely.It’s the criteria of simplicity so cheap and easy to maintain together with the ability to last for ages without falling apart in addition to being powerful enough for the job which makes trucks attractive in the ‘export’ markets and it’s those same criterea which would apply in the case of a new start owner driver operation .Which is probably why even an old Volvo,Scania,or Merc still wouldn’t be worth as much and depreciate faster than an old American type wagon of equivalent or even older age.There’s not that many old Scanias or Volvos around that would still be able to do a reliable job,without costing lots of money in maintenance,compared to old yank wagons of comparable age.
The Merc SK being the exception which proves the rule.In which case you’d still be lumbered with having to use that heavy slow synchro box instead of a fuller though.
Admittedly the modern day issues of emissions controls and fuel consumption/costs are interfering with those basic buying criteria though.However if it wasn’t for that issue the choice between buying a modern euro wagon v an old yank would be a no brainer just on the depreciation issue alone.
Blah blah blah. It’s all down to the supply and demand.
There is plenty of teenage battered magnums around, while american trucks are rarity, and while Magnums are still just a trucks, 1980s american one is an exotic youngtimer and this is why the prices are as they are…
Also: American one is in great condition, while that renault look, eeeeh, mediocre.
Sorry carryfast, you are telling crap again.
I have to admit, though, I really like the way how you manipulate the facts It has some style (altough it does not work, sorry). Because the British market is not good, as American trucks are an exotic thing here. This is why I gave examples of the markets where both Euro and US trucks are available with the same easiness: for example Russia.
And just to finish: do you really think that someone will buy this american old one just to use it for work?
orys:
Blah blah blah. It’s all down to the supply and demand.
There is plenty of teenage battered magnums around, while american trucks are rarity, and while Magnums are still just a trucks, 1980s american one is an exotic youngtimer and this is why the prices are as they are…
Also: American one is in great condition, while that renault look, eeeeh, mediocre.
Sorry carryfast, you are telling crap again.
I have to admit, though, I really like the way how you manipulate the facts It has some style (altough it does not work, sorry). Because the British market is not good, as American trucks are an exotic thing here. This is why I gave examples of the markets where both Euro and US trucks are available with the same easiness: for example Russia.
And just to finish: do you really think that someone will buy this american old one just to use it for work?
Orys it’s the fact that the American one is still in ‘great condition’ after almost 30 years whereas the French one ain’t after just 12 that actually helps to make my point.But I’m sure that the yanks would be falling about laughing to hear an almost 30 year old cab over Freightshaker with a 380 motor and a 9 speed fuller described as an ‘exotic youngtimer’.
More like couldn’t believe how much the thing is still worth and if it’s worth that then how much could they get for a KW Aerodyne with an 8V92,CAT 3408,or even a Detroit 60 series in it and a 13 speed fuller.I think Saviem came up with a figure of around £50,000 some time ago for one he knew of although he’d also said I was talking crap about yank wagons at the time.He didn’t take up my offer that I’d be interested if he could knock a nought off the price though considering what a thirsty liability that the thing,was actually supposed to be.
But I think it’s the fact that after almost 30 years the thing is probably still capable of doing some work for someone that makes it worth almost twice as much as that Magnum which after 12 years probably ain’t without loads of money being spent on it.
Carryfast:
Orys it’s the fact that the American one is still in ‘great condition’ after almost 30 years whereas the French one ain’t after just 12 that actually helps to make my point.
Yeah, because american trucks do not require proper care and maintenance
But I’m sure that the yanks would be falling about laughing to hear an almost 30 year old cab over Freightshaker with a 380 motor and a 9 speed fuller described as an ‘exotic youngtimer’.
Yeah, I guess that yanks will be laughing as well when they will see how popular are such trucks on all truckfests etc.
But I think it’s the fact that the thing is probably still capable of doing some work for someone that makes it worth almost twice as much as that Magnum which probably ain’t without loads of money being spent on it.
If they are so great, why can’t we see hundreds of them on British roads? Why Harry went for few years old Magnum and not for 30 years old yank truck? He could save himself loads of money on buying and then have better truck for sure?
It’s the bottom line that matters orys and no one pays more money for anything than they need to.In this case the valuations speak for themselves and that’s even with just a 380 motor without the 13 speed fuller in it.
If it’s bottom line what matters, it seems that 1989 Polish Fiat 126p Bis is three times better than 2000 Rover 75
And I guess all Poles would laugh at that someone is selling this banger for nearly a 1000 pounds, when you can have one in Poland for 10% of this price.
And this is exactly the same case as the one with your american truck. Both vehicles are unique for British market, hence the price.
It’s the bottom line that matters orys and no one pays more money for anything than they need to.In this case the valuations speak for themselves and that’s even with just a 380 motor without the 13 speed fuller in it.
If it’s bottom line what matters, it seems that 1989 Polish Fiat 126p Bis is three times better than 2000 Rover 75
And I guess all Poles would laugh at that someone is selling this banger for nearly a 1000 pounds, when you can have one in Poland for 10% of this price.
And this is exactly the same case as the one with your american truck. Both vehicles are unique for British market, hence the price.
What that actually proves is that an auto Honda/ Rover 75 is (rightly) considered as being three times worse than a Polski Fiat 126 not that the Polski Fiat is three times better.
What this proves is that a decent rear drive manual V8 Mustang powered Rover 75 is almost 20 times better than the front wheel drive Honda based version.
Carryfast:
What this proves is that a decent rear drive manual V8 Mustang powered Rover 75 is almost 20 times better than the front wheel drive Honda based version.
If the price relation between Fiat 126p and Polonez in UK would be similar to relation in Poland, Rover 78 V8 would be as good, as Polonez Caro 1.4 with Rover engine
Seriously though: you really didn’t got it, do you?
Carryfast:
What this proves is that a decent rear drive manual V8 Mustang powered Rover 75 is almost 20 times better than the front wheel drive Honda based version.
If the price relation between Fiat 126p and Polonez in UK would be similar to relation in Poland, Rover 78 V8 would be as good, as Polonez Caro 1.4 with Rover engine
Seriously though: you really didn’t got it, do you?
you two have really wrecked this thread by going off topic , please take it to pm now !!!
