Religious nutter tied in knots

As said above Ricky Gervais does come at this from a pretty clever angle and if you listen to him in debate then you can appreciate what he is trying to say.
If there are 1000 “gods” is it not arrogance to say that YOUR god is the correct one ? The only difference Between an atheist and a hard care believer is the believer agree’s that 999 of the god’s are fake or untrue or whatever…They only disagree about their chosen one.
Lastly if everything is God’s will and he created everything and continues to do so is it fair to charge this God with the tragedies of the world. So Aids killing babies, famine, wars and all the rest. It’s not a great advert for someone/thing to give your mind body and spirit too.

Personally I think the whole thing came about as a way to control the masses. You know don’t hurt others, love thy neighbour and don’t just walk on by…All laudable stuff and not the worst idea to use these as a base line. As the human race has evolved and science too then we have come to realise that things didn’t quite go down as they were written.

I dont believe there are a 1000 gods.
God permits evil though,when He could simply wave His hand to stop it.
But ,taking this further,are we humans guilty of this too?

robroy:

Sploom:
I believe the dinasours were created byt then destroyed by the flood.I dont believe they were here 75 million years ago.Nor man,2 million.

icr.org/article/did-dinosaurs-survive-flood

:laughing: Ok,.so you don’t BELIEVE in irrefutable fact that has been proven by experts, but you BELIEVE in a whole mass of other stuff that equates to fairy stories.

When I go to do my degree in paleontology remind me not to do my research and study on the website that you provided…because I would sure as hell fail it. :laughing:

Yes ,you would fail.If you are a Christian,you cant be a teacher either,it looks like because you have to use pronouns,something us Christians dont believe in

Where was God the other week in southern Turkey? Presumably busy saving his people by crushing the life out of them under tons of rubble?
You can keep it.
Religion was created by a few clever people eons ago in order to control weak-minded, gullible populations with a promise of ‘eternal life’ if they lived by the rules. We have a thing called science. It’s much more believable than anything in the Bible. “God working in mysterious ways” is a bit of a copout for anything inexplicable. If anybody doesn’t like it, it’s their problem, not mine. If God doesn’t like it, let him strike me down - I’ve had a good life.

Different God in Turkey, thems the lot who pray to Allans snackbar for whatever reason.

Cracks me up how people “expect” things of God all the time, rather than saying “Ask not what your God can do for you, but what You can do to Glorify God”…

As for Earthquakes in Turkey - Has anyone ever considered that this might be God’s WRATH rather than God “taking a back seat, and letting bad things happen…”?

We assume of course that the recent Earthquake, along with “Natural” destructive aspects of Natural Climate change - are NOT down to the machinations of Mankind…

Can’t say the same of multiple derailments, self-trashing of economies, unnecessary wars, and all the dishonesty in world politics - can we?

What “Climate Acvtivists” call “Man Made Climate Change” might in fact ALL be “God’s Wrath on Wicked Mankind”, but denied by the Godless as “All our fault” rather than any aspect of “punishment” being rolled out by a deity they don’t believe in… Put that alongside the Satanists running the show, happy to make use of the Atheist crowd as “Useful Idiots”…

The average “Satanist”, of course DOES believe in God (How can they not?) but pretends to be - what? - “A non-practicing ”

I doubt if Sunak is a practicing Hindu for example, Biden certainly isn’t a practicing Catholic… He’d be hard and fast against Abortion if he was - right?

I dunno about the other main world leader though…

Putin Orthodoxy.jpeg
…Or maybe, dare say - he’s the world leader of the Christian Right we’ve heard so much about in the media of late…
“Danger to the World” the lefties say…

If we are to choose between being murdered by consenting to our own elected leaders to do us in OR go to WWIII with a nuclear superpower to achieve “Death by Putin” THAT way - then it is clear most of us don’t know what side we are on, let alone what side we want to BE on…

illbehonest.com/did-god-cause-t … e-in-japan

I like this sermon by pastor Tim Conway.He deals with the question of why God allows bad things to happen,in this the tsunami

Sploom:
Did God Cause the Tsunami & Earthquake in Japan? - Tim Conway - I'll Be Honest

I like this sermon by pastor Tim Conway.He deals with the question of why God allows bad things to happen,in this the tsunami

Really CBA to look at it unless you can convince me that it aint the same old dog ■■■■.
These guys (including yourself) have an answer for absolutely everything, you just make it up as you go along to cover every situation, scenario, and question that is put to you.and if you don’t do that you start quoting passages from a book.

Basically for 2 reasons…

A. You do not know the answer, and if you have not made it up you have based it NOT on actual fact, but on something that was written thousands of years ago,.and passed down…as A THEORY !!.. and not by a god either, (surprise surprise) but by a normal everyday bloke of his time, sat dressed in middle eastern attire in a building made of straw and clay waiting for his dinner.
Reason 2…

B. It ain’t real.anyway,.so there is no actual definitive answer.

Edit .Endured the first 2 minutes, the only surprise was he was not wearing a 70s crimplene safari suit,.and a bad wig as these guys usually do :smiley: (Ref Phil Collins ‘Talking to Jesus’)
But it was all there the pseudo sincerity, the shouting, and the false emotion…and if I’d carried on watching no doubt the Bible quotes.
Usual pile of crap preaching (literally) to the fearful and the terminally gullible. :unamused:

I have more material to show you that debunks evolution but if you are only going to look at the first 2 minutes,thats not enough time to get the main points.If you were prepared to spend an hour listening to a podcast ,then that would be enough time.
I get the impression you dont want to hear the reasons evolution is a flawed theory and that you dont have an open mind on this

Sploom:
I have more material to show you that debunks evolution but if you are only going to look at the first 2 minutes,thats not enough time to get the main points.If you were prepared to spend an hour listening to a podcast ,then that would be enough time.
I get the impression you dont want to hear the reasons evolution is a flawed theory and that you dont have an open mind on this

No, it’s just that I stick to irrefutable and PROVEN fact over ridiculous type fiction.
Show me some actual proven facts, and my mind is always open.

I want to show you but you only give me 2 minutes airtime.Now,the title of this thread.How many minutes did you spend watching that? I bet it was more than 2 minutes.
As for proof,if you spend time with family and friends,all the people you know.You tell me they all grew and evolved from an ameoba?Itself,an infinitley complicated organism.They say life started on earth 3.7 billion years ago.To get it into perspective,thats how many milimetres you would travel if you travelled the circumference of the earth,a long way,tbf,but you belive,an ameoba grows into a person in that time,without any intelligent input from outside? That,to me,is preposterous.So,there is your absolute proof you ask for.Just spend time with your family,friends or whoever,then tell me they all grew,developed from nothingness,Im sorry,I dont believe you.
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Sploom:
I want to show you but you only give me 2 minutes airtime.Now,the title of this thread.How many minutes did you spend watching that? I bet it was more than 2 minutes.
As for proof,if you spend time with family and friends,all the people you know.You tell me they all grew and evolved from an ameoba?Itself,an infinitley complicated organism.They say life started on earth 3.7 billion years ago.To get it into perspective,thats how many milimetres you would travel if you travelled the circumference of the earth,a long way,tbf,but you belive,an ameoba grows into a person in that time,without any intelligent input from outside? That,to me,is preposterous.So,there is your absolute proof you ask for.Just spend time with your family,friends or whoever,then tell me they all grew,developed from nothingness,Im sorry,I dont believe you.
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:laughing: :laughing: Oh ffs!.
You see mate, this is where you lot go wrong.
It certainly is NOT ‘‘absolute proof’’, you clearly do not understand the concept of proof, it is merely your opinion based on the stuff you believe in…yet again…

OK,we are going round in circles now,but Im glad I did give try to convert you.I gave it my best shot

azquotes.com/quote/544838

Not a Bible quote but one of my favourite preachers,Charles Spurgeon.He was persecuted too,like all Christians through the ages all the way back since the Romans used to send them into the arena to be devoured by wild animals.

Anyway,I have to move on now,double manning tonight,hopefully,he will be open to hear what I have to say…

In this post-truth age, there’s no such thing as “proven” any longer.

Proof that is 100% irrefutable in the past sense, is now routinely “denied” by those in authority, “doubled down upon” by their supporting politicians and media, and of course since “you cannot prove a negative” - we’re all expected to go “oh well, never mind” - and go quietly into the night.

Eg. Evidence that not only was the 2020 election America totally rigged, bringing down the entire western democracy voting system in it’s wake - but any proof to the contrary “doesn’t count” because the Supreme Court denied the chance for any evidence to be presented in open court.

It is all about “Belief” now.

If you “Believe” then you are a “Conspiracy theorist”, and if you don’t believe - you are mainstream, low-information, blissful in ignorance.

Likewise, with “Deference” now dead and buried in Society, the average “Non Believer” would argue "You cannot prove to me that Carbon has a valency of 2 or 4, because I don’t understand (nor want ever to understand) Physical Science!"

How can anyone ever teach the ignorant anything at all?
Even if you TELL people stuff - they won’t believe it, unless the person doing the talking has some kind of influence over them…

If your employer told you “Turn up to work without wearing a tie - and you’ll be sacked!” - You’d better believe it, because you cannot afford to lose that job - right?
Thus, the greatest “Influencers” out there - are EMPLOYERS in this day and age.
We can all deny government people, go off-piste when it comes to “Legal Get-arounds”, and openly defy new legislation we can get away with objecting to via the normal so-called “Peaceful Demonstration” process.
Trying to do that in the workplace however - is like arguing against China’s Human Rights Record - by protesting in Tianamen Square!!

What faction do “Let’s go with the flow” belong to, now that Liberals have been split down the middle, some going Left and becoming the Woke, and some going Right and becoming “Religious Maniacs”… You surely won’t find many woke people refering to themselves as that, even if that is exactly what they are. Same goes for the “Religious” then: THEY don’t see themselves as “Nutters ■■■■■■■ in knots”.

It is also worth mentioning that it only seems to be the Evangelist types that feel compelled to “Make disciples of all nations”… It IS possible to be a Christian without feeling the calling to become some kind of Preacher on top, but if the only side of Christianity the outsider sees is the “Evangelist” - then you understandably won’t realize that…

I bet double manning with you is a real bundle of fun and laughs.

Yes,Winseer,some good points.
About evangelism though,apparently only 2% of Christians share their faith,but the thing is,if you really believe it,you will want to share it with others.
But when you do share it,(some)people hate you for it,so it is a constant dilema.

Peterm,dont feel too sorry for them,I have to put up with loud thumping music,socks upon the dashboard and so on

peterm:
I bet double manning with you is a real bundle of fun and laughs.

The worst experiences I generally have with “Double Manning” are the following issues from the “other driver” whilst I’m driving OR whilst I’m “Passenger”…

BO
Smoking
Drinking (beer)
Stony Silence
Chat about anything I’m not interested in (Football, Clubbing, Medical stuff, Cruises, Workplace Moans)
Can’t have my music on (Trance) but they want me to listen to their hip-hop crap… Common Denominators like Radio 2, Magic, Absolute 80’s etc. - doesn’t seem to be hit upon thus far.

I’ve not met a driver yet whom I was comfortable enough with that I’d be able to sleep whilst they were doing the driving, or debate with whilst I was doing the driving…
To be fair though, the last time I double-manned was 2014, compared to the last time I did a (solo) night out being last year.
“Night Outing” is a much better prospect than “double manning” then, I conclude.

Sploom:
Yes,Winseer,some good points.
About evangelism though,apparently only 2% of Christians share their faith,but the thing is,if you really believe it,you will want to share it with others.
But when you do share it,(some)people hate you for it,so it is a constant dilema.

It is the “Sharing with others” that is the hardest hurdle to jump.

Everyone wants to be an "Atheist Martyr it seems… Even if you held the proverbial gun to their heads - they’d rather you pull the trigger, than even consider becoming a “convert” - to ANY argument, let alone the issue of “Religious Faith”.

I’ve broken bread with Jews and Muslims, whom I see as merely “Being on a different contract to me”.
Atheists are by far the hardest group to reach, even when they time-after-time lack the strength of their “lack of conviction” as it were…
You cannot get even an Atheist to “prove themselves that” by their deeds and actions… Break a taboo, for example… (Eg. Ask a leftie girly atheist to date someone everyone tells her is “Far Right” but otherwise is an OK guy… :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: )

I’ve met guys meanwhile who will pretend to be an atheist/leftie in order to date someone of that leaning…

It is no wonder that so many “Relationships” end in a one-night stand!