old skool kid:
My point is can anyone show me where does it say you can not take rest in your yard in your truck if you want to
It says it right here.
Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and
reduced weekly rest periods away from base may be taken in a
vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities for each
driver and the vehicle is stationary.
That tells you the type of rest which may be taken in a vehicle. It doesn’t say a regular weekly rest can be taken in a vehicle, so it cannot be regardless of location and it specifically says reduced rest away from base, if you could do that at base the words ‘away from base’ would not be included.
If any rest period could be taken in a vehicle there would not be a section detailing which type of rest is allowed. The fact there is such a section means that only those types of rest listed can legally be taken in a vehicle.
old skool kid:
My point is can anyone show me where does it say you can not take rest in your yard in your truck if you want to
It says it right here.
Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and
reduced weekly rest periods away from base may be taken in a
vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities for each
driver and the vehicle is stationary.
That tells you the type of rest which may be taken in a vehicle. It doesn’t say a regular weekly rest can be taken in a vehicle, so it cannot be regardless of location and it specifically says reduced rest away from base, if you could do that at base the words ‘away from base’ would not be included.
If any rest period could be taken in a vehicle there would not be a section detailing which type of rest is allowed. The fact there is such a section means that only those types of rest listed can legally be taken in a vehicle.
It doesnt say reduced daily rest periods can be taken in the cab so are they illegal too
205:
It doesnt say reduced daily rest periods can be taken in the cab so are they illegal too
A “daily rest period” covers “regular daily rest periods” and “reduced daily rest periods”.
(g) ‘daily rest period’ means the daily period during which a
driver may freely dispose of his time and covers a ‘regular
daily rest period’ and a ‘reduced daily rest period’
old skool kid:
My point is can anyone show me where does it say you can not take rest in your yard in your truck if you want to
It says it right here.
Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and
reduced weekly rest periods away from base may be taken in a
vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities for each
driver and the vehicle is stationary.
That tells you the type of rest which may be taken in a vehicle. It doesn’t say a regular weekly rest can be taken in a vehicle, so it cannot be regardless of location and it specifically says reduced rest away from base, if you could do that at base the words ‘away from base’ would not be included.
If any rest period could be taken in a vehicle there would not be a section detailing which type of rest is allowed. The fact there is such a section means that only those types of rest listed can legally be taken in a vehicle.
It doesnt say reduced daily rest periods can be taken in the cab so are they illegal too
No it simply says a rest period may be taken in a vehicle providing it is fitted with “suitable sleeping facilities” and that it is station(e)ry. It doesn’t even need a bunk or couchette You could sleep on a pallet of envelopes
old skool kid:
My point is can anyone show me where does it say you can not take rest in your yard in your truck if you want to
It says it right here.
Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and
reduced weekly rest periods away from base may be taken in a
vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities for each
driver and the vehicle is stationary.
That tells you the type of rest which may be taken in a vehicle. It doesn’t say a regular weekly rest can be taken in a vehicle, so it cannot be regardless of location and it specifically says reduced rest away from base, if you could do that at base the words ‘away from base’ would not be included.
If any rest period could be taken in a vehicle there would not be a section detailing which type of rest is allowed. The fact there is such a section means that only those types of rest listed can legally be taken in a vehicle.
It doesnt say reduced daily rest periods can be taken in the cab…
Thanks for all the replies, poses more problems (technically) than originally considered
We have drivers who are out for 4/5/6 & more weeks at a time so would certainly be helping the economies of some authorities if the ever do wake up to it
Imho coffee & wheelnut are absolutely right in what they’re saying,also wheelnut’s comment about letting the French & Spanish in on it made me smile .
However it does make you wonder how the authorities ( if they ever bothered enforcing it) would deal with a couple of lads I used to know in the 90’s who lived in their motors & had forwarding addresses for their mail. 1 was an o/d who lived in his motor for about 18 months after his marriage broke up & the other was an employed driver who lived in his wagon for over 3 years & had all his mail etc sent to his bosses office address!
FLIP:
Imho coffee & wheelnut are absolutely right in what they’re saying,also wheelnut’s comment about letting the French & Spanish in on it made me smile .
However it does make you wonder how the authorities ( if they ever bothered enforcing it) would deal with a couple of lads I used to know in the 90’s who lived in their motors & had forwarding addresses for their mail. 1 was an o/d who lived in his motor for about 18 months after his marriage broke up & the other was an employed driver who lived in his wagon for over 3 years & had all his mail etc sent to his bosses office address!
I think it was Neil who suggested emailing the Spanish & French government, but what you said was fairly common. I lived in the truck for a year at Ontime Automotive, until I started sharing a house with a Lesbian. I lived in my lorry at Norman Lewis although the longest period without going home was only 16 weeks. Every weekend I would be parked up with other drivers who also spent months in the lorry.
205:
:oops: I see it now, both types of daily rest can be taken in the cab…
…now for the weekly rest part,
if i was a tramper and i never went home, legally i could only have a weekly rest in the cab every 2nd week
Yep, a reduced weekly rest period every second week.
Doubt that’s really going to stop anyone though
So you can not have a full weekly rest in the cab is that what your saying.
If so then vosa are breaking the law buy forcing the drivers to take a 45 hour rest at the roadside.
Would I be right in saying that there could park them for 24 hours, but not for 45 hours
Makes you think if vosa can make you take a 45 hour rest at the roadside then why can’t you take it in the yard
As far as I’m aware VOSA can’t make you take any length of weekly rest in the cab, how can VOSA tell you to stay in the cab rather than B&B, hotel, shop doorway
205:
:oops: I see it now, both types of daily rest can be taken in the cab…
…now for the weekly rest part,
if i was a tramper and i never went home, legally i could only have a weekly rest in the cab every 2nd week
Yep, a reduced weekly rest period every second week.
Doubt that’s really going to stop anyone though
So you can not have a full weekly rest in the cab is that what your saying.
If so then vosa are breaking the law buy forcing the drivers to take a 45 hour rest at the roadside.
Would I be right in saying that there could park them for 24 hours, but not for 45 hours
Makes you think if vosa can make you take a 45 hour rest at the roadside then why can’t you take it in the yard
As far as I’m aware VOSA can’t make you take any length of weekly rest in the cab, how can VOSA tell you to stay in the cab rather than B&B, hotel, shop doorway
Exactly. VOSA can park you up if they suspect the correct rest hasn’t been taken but they can’t force you to stay anywhere or do any particular thing. He obviously hasn’t read the definition of rest.
205:
:oops: I see it now, both types of daily rest can be taken in the cab…
…now for the weekly rest part,
if i was a tramper and i never went home, legally i could only have a weekly rest in the cab every 2nd week
Yep, a reduced weekly rest period every second week.
Doubt that’s really going to stop anyone though
So you can not have a full weekly rest in the cab is that what your saying.
If so then vosa are breaking the law buy forcing the drivers to take a 45 hour rest at the roadside.
Would I be right in saying that there could park them for 24 hours, but not for 45 hours
Makes you think if vosa can make you take a 45 hour rest at the roadside then why can’t you take it in the yard
As far as I’m aware VOSA can’t make you take any length of weekly rest in the cab, how can VOSA tell you to stay in the cab rather than B&B, hotel, shop doorway
i know that but there do and drivers do say in there truck for 45 hour but as i said if you cant take a full rest in the truck and vosa do not do them for that do there that’s what i was trying to get across
it same to me that this forum as become a ■■■■■■■ contest on how can slag you off
i for one have had enough on here and i am going to delete all my post
good by all
post after post u lot slag me off my posts get delete by mods
205:
:oops: I see it now, both types of daily rest can be taken in the cab…
…now for the weekly rest part,
if i was a tramper and i never went home, legally i could only have a weekly rest in the cab every 2nd week
Yep, a reduced weekly rest period every second week.
Doubt that’s really going to stop anyone though
So you can not have a full weekly rest in the cab is that what your saying.
If so then vosa are breaking the law buy forcing the drivers to take a 45 hour rest at the roadside.
Would I be right in saying that there could park them for 24 hours, but not for 45 hours
Makes you think if vosa can make you take a 45 hour rest at the roadside then why can’t you take it in the yard
As far as I’m aware VOSA can’t make you take any length of weekly rest in the cab, how can VOSA tell you to stay in the cab rather than B&B, hotel, shop doorway
i know that but there do
No they don’t, they don’t tell you to stay anywhere. Parking you up and telling you that you cannot move the vehicle is not the same as saying what you must do or where you must stay during that time. Read the definition of ‘rest’.
205:
:oops: I see it now, both types of daily rest can be taken in the cab…
…now for the weekly rest part,
if i was a tramper and i never went home, legally i could only have a weekly rest in the cab every 2nd week
Yep, a reduced weekly rest period every second week.
Doubt that’s really going to stop anyone though
So you can not have a full weekly rest in the cab is that what your saying.
If so then vosa are breaking the law buy forcing the drivers to take a 45 hour rest at the roadside.
Would I be right in saying that there could park them for 24 hours, but not for 45 hours
Makes you think if vosa can make you take a 45 hour rest at the roadside then why can’t you take it in the yard
As far as I’m aware VOSA can’t make you take any length of weekly rest in the cab, how can VOSA tell you to stay in the cab rather than B&B, hotel, shop doorway
i know that but there do and drivers do say in there truck for 45 hour but as i said if you cant take a full rest in the truck and vosa do not do them for that do there that’s what i was trying to get across
it same to me that this forum as become a ■■■■■■■ contest on how can slag you off
i for one have had enough on here and i am going to delete all my post
good by all
post after post u lot slag me off my posts get delete by mods
It must be the global warming that makes everyone tetchy!
Far from a ■■■■■■■ competition I found it an interesting debate, but a quote seems to suggest that VOSA can force or make you do something against your will.
The clue was there in “definition of rest”
‘rest’ means any uninterrupted period during which a
driver may freely dispose of his time;
I don’t think it is possible to delete your posts, you certainly cannot delete any posts that have been quoted. A lot of the time someone will ask a question that answers something else for several others, forums with massive gaps in them are a waste of information. Just look at the photo galleries when someone takes their ball home.
I see what you are getting at Delboy but VOSA have to make a judgement call as to what is the greater priority
Getting the driver to have enough rest or complying with what many see as a silly bit of the rules
It seems that no-one in any EU country has been sanctioned for taking a full weekly rest in a cab and if that is true then all the enforcement agencies across the EU must look at this issue in the same way - it is daft …
delboytwo:
i know that but there do and drivers do say in there truck for 45 hour but as i said if you cant take a full rest in the truck and vosa do not do them for that do there that’s what i was trying to get across
it same to me that this forum as become a ■■■■■■■ contest on how can slag you off
i for one have had enough on here and i am going to delete all my post
good by all
post after post u lot slag me off my posts get delete by mods
Calm down a bit Del, no-ones slagging you off, we disagreed with you that’s all
ROG:
I see what you are getting at Delboy but VOSA have to make a judgement call as to what is the greater priority
Getting the driver to have enough rest or complying with what many see as a silly bit of the rules
Another one who can’t tell the difference between being parked and not allowed to drive and being forced to stay in a particular place.
VOSA park the driver up and stop him driving the truck, they don’t force him to break any regulations by making him stay in the vehicle. If he does and they ignore it they obviously aren’t bothered about that particular daft bit of the regulations.
ROG:
I see what you are getting at Delboy but VOSA have to make a judgement call as to what is the greater priority
Getting the driver to have enough rest or complying with what many see as a silly bit of the rules
Another one who can’t tell the difference between being parked and not allowed to drive and being forced to stay in a particular place.
VOSA park the driver up and stop him driving the truck, they don’t force him to break any regulations by making him stay in the vehicle. If he does and they ignore it they obviously aren’t bothered about that particular daft bit of the regulations.
I did realise that difference as the driver is free to go where they want to during rest
You could sleep on a pallet of envelopes 
I see it now, both types of daily rest can be taken in the cab…
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