Wheel Nut:
I suppose in my simple terms againThe GV 262 booklet and the 561/2006 regs both mention.
In any 2 consecutive weeks a driver must have taken one full rest period and one reduced rest period or 2 full rest periods
45hrs - Week 1
24hrs - week 2
24hrs - week 3
45hrs - week 4
I’d say your weeks 2 and 3 are “consecutive weeks” so one of them should be 45 hours rest.
I agree, that was why I highlighted week 2 & week 3 in blue ink.
The bottom example is correct. I wanted to show how the regulations could be misconstrued. I remember the same argument about 8 + 4 and 4 + 8 
Wheel Nut:
I agree, that was why I highlighted week 2 & week 3 in blue ink.The bottom example is correct. I wanted to show how the regulations could be misconstrued. I remember the same argument about 8 + 4 and 4 + 8
“Any” and “All” pmsl. Although, to be fair that one fairly genuine - lol
I don’t get this… if youc ould shed some light on my situation…
My days off have been. last saturday and sunday, last friday, i worked today and am working tomorrow… then i have monday and tuesday off for the next 3 weeks… i do about8/9 hrs a day when im at work so dont go over hours etc.
what i want to know is can i work monday as an extra day? and would i be able to work the 3rd monday also?
And just for general info…
My daily rest is normally around 15 hours, so with one day off that rest is around 39hrs…
to generalise this can i do each week… 1 day off, 2 day off, 1 day off, 2 day off etc etc etc as long as i dont ever do over 6 days on the bounce?
would i be able to do 1 day off, 2 day off, 1 day off, 1 day off, 2 day off ? ?
thanks guys… so confusing, reading the rules book from vosa i find some of it contradictory !
Sat & sun = full weekly rest
mon tue wed thu = work
fri = off
sat sun = work
mon & tue = off or work mon and have reduced weekly rest IF the last full weekly rest can be counted for the mon to thu week
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off - full weekly rest
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off or work mon and have reduced weekly rest
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off - full weekly rest
The first mon you want to work does depend on whether you are able to count the full weekly rest on sat & sun as being in the mon tue wed thu week.
I’m not the expert so expect one to pick up on my answer and give a yes or no to it 
philmots:
And just for general info…My daily rest is normally around 15 hours, so with one day off that rest is around 39hrs…
And the 6 hours you need to make up for the reduced rest are taken care of by any other day with 15 hours rest so that isn’t an issue.
philmots:
to generalise this can i do each week… 1 day off, 2 day off, 1 day off, 2 day off etc etc etc as long as i dont ever do over 6 days on the bounce?
Yep, that’s pretty much it. If you always do that you have no worries regarding weekly rest and compensation.
philmots:
would i be able to do 1 day off, 2 day off, 1 day off, 1 day off, 2 day off ? ?
Probably not if the bit in red above are the only rest periods in a two week period. In any two weeks you must have at least one rest period of 45 hours minimum.
philmots:
thanks guys… so confusing, reading the rules book from vosa i find some of it contradictory !
None of it is contradictory. As far as weekly rest goes all you have to remember when you look at any two consecutive weeks you must see at least one break of 45 hours, or more, in those two weeks.
I thought this was all so ■■■■■■■ simple■■?
44 Tonne Ton:
I thought this was all so [zb] simple■■?
It probably is… If you know it! 
44 Tonne Ton:
I thought this was all so [zb] simple■■?
It is.
All you have to remember when you look at any two consecutive weeks you must see at least one break of at least 45 hours.
What’s not simple about that?
Ignore ROG’s post, he unnecessarily complicates most things. 
ROG:
Sat & sun = full weekly rest
mon tue wed thu = work
fri = off
sat sun = work
mon & tue = off or work mon and have reduced weekly rest IF the last full weekly rest can be counted for the mon to thu week
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off - full weekly rest
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off or work mon and have reduced weekly rest
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off - full weekly restThe first mon you want to work does depend on whether you are able to count the full weekly rest on sat & sun as being in the mon tue wed thu week.
I’m not the expert so expect one to pick up on my answer and give a yes or no to it
Coffeeholic:
Ignore ROG’s post, he unnecessarily complicates most things
but was I right on this?
Wheel Nut:
I agree, that was why I highlighted week 2 & week 3 in blue ink.The bottom example is correct. I wanted to show how the regulations could be misconstrued. I remember the same argument about 8 + 4 and 4 + 8
Thats where I disagree, if you look in the rules and regs, it says “fixed consequetive” weeks, so in your example week 1 and 2 are the fixed weeks, and weeks 3 and 4 are the other fixed weeks. It even gives an example of 45, 24, 27 and 45… unless they’re wrong… 
ROG:
ROG:
Sat & sun = full weekly rest
mon tue wed thu = work
fri = off
sat sun = work
mon & tue = off or work mon and have reduced weekly rest IF the last full weekly rest can be counted for the mon to thu week
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off - full weekly rest
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off or work mon and have reduced weekly rest
wed thu fri sat sun = work
mon & tue = off - full weekly restThe first mon you want to work does depend on whether you are able to count the full weekly rest on sat & sun as being in the mon tue wed thu week.
I’m not the expert so expect one to pick up on my answer and give a yes or no to it
Coffeeholic:
Ignore ROG’s post, he unnecessarily complicates most thingsbut was I right on this?
I don’t know, I haven’t read it beyond the fifth line, as soon as I saw if in bold type I just assumed it was your usual attempt to complicate simple stuff.
scaniadub:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, that was why I highlighted week 2 & week 3 in blue ink.The bottom example is correct. I wanted to show how the regulations could be misconstrued. I remember the same argument about 8 + 4 and 4 + 8
Thats where I disagree, if you look in the rules and regs, it says “fixed consequetive” weeks, so in your example week 1 and 2 are the fixed weeks, and weeks 3 and 4 are the other fixed weeks. It even gives an example of 45, 24, 27 and 45… unless they’re wrong…
The Regulations say that you should have either two regular weekly rest periods or at least one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest in any two consecutive weeks, this is clearly any two weeks.
The example you mention is in VOSAs booklet GV262 and the 24 and 27 hour reduced weekly rest periods are taken and counted for the same week, you’ll notice that the previous and following weeks both show regular 45 hour weekly rest periods
cheers tacho, just re read it!
scaniadub:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, that was why I highlighted week 2 & week 3 in blue ink.The bottom example is correct. I wanted to show how the regulations could be misconstrued. I remember the same argument about 8 + 4 and 4 + 8
Thats where I disagree, if you look in the rules and regs, it says “fixed consequetive” weeks,
It doesn’t. It actually says in Article 8.6
In any two consecutive weeks
scaniadub:
so in your example week 1 and 2 are the fixed weeks, and weeks 3 and 4 are the other fixed weeks.
When you take the actual wording into account, and the important word “any” that was missing from what you thought it said, then you will see that weeks 1 & 2 are two consecutive fixed weeks, as are weeks 2 & 3 and weeks 3 & 4.
scaniadub:
It even gives an example of 45, 24, 27 and 45… unless they’re wrong…
The actual regulations don’t give examples so I assume you are reading the VOSA guide and the numbers you quote are on page 19. If you look at that example you will see that the 24 and 27 hour rest periods are both in the same week.
Their example.
Week 1 - 45 hours rest
Week 2 - 24 and 27 hour rest
Week 3 - 45 hour rest.
Weeks 1 & 2 and weeks 3 & 4 are both periods of two consecutive weeks and each period has at least one regular and one reduced rest. They aren’t wrong because you can take two, or more, reduced rests in a row but only as long as they are not the only rest periods in a two week period.
EDIT: Took too long in replying because my phone rang, Tachograph beat me too it.
Coffeeholic:
I just assumed it was your usual attempt to complicate simple stuff.
not this time - I was offering a reply to the OP which gave him the possibility of doing what he wanted to do legally but with the condition that the sat/sun full weekly rest be in the week following that rest and not the week prior to it.
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
I just assumed it was your usual attempt to complicate simple stuff.not this time - I was offering a reply to the OP which gave him the possibility of doing what he wanted to do legally but with the condition that the sat/sun full weekly rest be in the week following that rest and not the week prior to it.
It wasn’t the Op but never mind. Don’t worry though, the guy you were replying to has emailed me his rota and I’m sorting out what days he will be able to work in addition to his regular days and not prior to it won’t come into it.
What about my situation:-
2 weekends ago I had 76 hours, last weekend I had 40 hours = 116h fortnightly break, so this weekend, if need be can I have 24hours off this weekend? Using week 1 to compensate week 3? Over the 3 weekends I will have had 45 hours off on average, but obviously have to make it up next weekend…
scottishcruiser:
What about my situation:-2 weekends ago I had 76 hours, last weekend I had 40 hours = 116h fortnightly break, so this weekend, if need be can I have 24hours off this weekend? Using week 1 to compensate week 3? Over the 3 weekends I will have had 45 hours off on average, but obviously have to make it up next weekend…
Sorry no - you must compensate AFTER the reduction has been taken
I don’t know your exact work timings but it seems that you had a reduced last weekend so this weekend it must be a full 45