Hi, ok I leave our yard and drive to a customers premises to load, when I arrive at the depot, the yard lad will be driving the vehicle around to load the trailer, would I have to remove my card and put it in slot 2 to record the break whilst it is loaded, or would I have to do a manual entry, before driving back to our yard.
This loading can use between 20 to 30 mins of driving time, so would be benificial if I wasn’t driving round the depot.
You eject card and do a manual entry when you reinsert the card.
H T H
dar1976:
You eject card and do a manual entry when you reinsert the card.H T H
Thanks, would I be able to take the break in the passenger seat?
You cant record a break in slot 2 if the vehicle moves
weeto:
dar1976:
You eject card and do a manual entry when you reinsert the card.H T H
Thanks, would I be able to take the break in the passenger seat?
There’s nothing to stop you having a break in the passenger seat but why would you want to if the vehicle is being driven around the yard 
Wheel Nut:
You cant record a break in slot 2 if the vehicle moves
This is true for all digitachs but as you 2 guys immediately above have stated here:- /viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81613
“Provided the second driver is not required to carry out any work during this time, enforcement authorities will accept the first 45 minutes of this time as a break from driving”; “this time” being, presumably, whether the driver’s card is in slot 2 or not (manual entries not withstanding).
Perhaps being in the passenger’s seat would allow the OP to check on the driver, but that would not be a break from work.
Snudger:
“Provided the second driver is not required to carry out any work during this time, enforcement authorities will accept the first 45 minutes of this time as a break from driving”; “this time” being, presumably, whether the driver’s card is in slot 2 or not (manual entries not withstanding).
I think that is only for when under mutli manning rules but stand to be corrected
Snudger:
Wheel Nut:
You cant record a break in slot 2 if the vehicle movesThis is true for all digitachs but as you 2 guys immediately above have stated here:- /viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81613
“Provided the second driver is not required to carry out any work during this time, enforcement authorities will accept the first 45 minutes of this time as a break from driving”; “this time” being, presumably, whether the driver’s card is in slot 2 or not (manual entries not withstanding).
The first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break whilst multi-manning but the OP will not be on a multi-manning journey therefore he cannot use the second slot to record a break whilst the vehicle is moving.
I stand corrected. 
Sorry and well said chaps.
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, I know I’m wrong but shouldn’t the other driver’s driving technically be accounted for even if it’s off road or is it not in scope or whatever? If this were the case, wouldn’t it be technically double-manned? Silly I know in the real world.
While I have your attention I hope, I have a question which remains unanswered since a while back: with the new digitacho rules (re rounding up the longest activity to the minute), is there not a 2 tier system in place regarding driving hours which favours those with the new system so that they can potentially drive for longer than those without, and could this possibly be challenged, being unfair, or do I have to put up with continually being cheated of driving time when held up in slow-moving traffic etc?
Snudger:
Actually, thinking about it,I know I’m wrong
You’re right about that 
…Sorry couldn’t resist
Snudger:
shouldn’t the other driver’s driving technically be accounted for even if it’s off road or is it not in scope or whatever?
Assuming that the “yard lad” is not a driver who goes onto public roads there would be no requirement for him to record any driving time in the yard.
Snudger:
If this were the case, wouldn’t it be technically double-manned? Silly I know in the real world.
To meet the (EC) 561/2006 definition of multi-manning the vehicle should have two or more drivers for the whole of the shift except for the first hour which is optional.
Snudger:
While I have your attention I hope, I have a question which remains unanswered since a while back: with the new digitacho rules (re rounding up the longest activity to the minute), is there not a 2 tier system in place regarding driving hours which favours those with the new system so that they can potentially drive for longer than those without
Yes.
In fact one of the owner drivers on this board recently changed his digital tachograph to one of the new type and I seem to remember he said it was a big help in making his driving time go further and overall money well spent.
Snudger:
could this possibly be challenged, being unfair, or do I have to put up with continually being cheated of driving time when held up in slow-moving traffic etc?
The old type digital tachographs met the legal requirements and continue to meet the legal requirement for that type of digital tachograph so I wouldn’t have thought it possible for a challenge on the grounds of unfairness to be successful.
Just something you need to put up with unless you’re prepared to invest in a new tachograph I’m afraid
edit:
Here’s a link to the thread where an owner driver changed his tachograph for the new type.
If the driver ejects their card and doesn’t insert it into slot 2 and the shunter drives the wagon around with no card in, then when the driver puts his card back in and records it as break then those entries get saved to the card, ISTR, ie driving whilst the driver stated he was on break…
I’ll have to look to see how that was recorded on my card but I was out of hours and sat in the passenger seat whilst a replacement driver took it the half hour back to base, and back there had to record a manual entry of ‘other work’. Slot 2 wasn’t working (wouldnt accept cards - didn’t know until we used it and that drivers card wasn’t accepted either…
Saratoga:
If the driver ejects their card and doesn’t insert it into slot 2 and the shunter drives the wagon around with no card in, then when the driver puts his card back in and records it as break then those entries get saved to the card, ISTR, ie driving whilst the driver stated he was on break…
I’ll wait to be corrected but I don’t think that “driving without card” events get saved to the card, it gets saved to the VU as a vehicle event and will show on a printout in the list of the last five vehicle events but the card would show a manually entered break.
Sorry but what does “ISTR” stand for ?
Well I never. Many thanks tacho. Don’t think I’ve ever visited the owner driver section before, but that thread confirms what I always knew. I’ve always been outraged by the way the old digitach records “driving”, with its always rounding up. I’ve often tried to stop for 2 calendar minutes in traffic to avoid being cheated of driving time. Now I feel outraged, by e.g. post #9 in that thread, in that others (with the new digitach) can not only avoid excessive deprivation of driving time but can now actually have breaks whilst doing a little driving, though illegally. Outrageous! OTOH, can’t wait for our next new truck (which had better have the new digitach as well). Yours, outraged.
tachograph:
Sorry but what does “ISTR” stand for ?
Yeah, getting used to using acronyms on the uninitiated again 
I Seem To Recall
Saratoga:
tachograph:
Sorry but what does “ISTR” stand for ?Yeah, getting used to using acronyms on the uninitiated again
I Seem To Recall
kthx 
tachograph:
Saratoga:
tachograph:
Sorry but what does “ISTR” stand for ?Yeah, getting used to using acronyms on the uninitiated again
I Seem To Recall
kthx
np 