Really nasty hills

Oh my goodness, who would have thought it, this thread is bringing as many nightmare memories back as others do happy ones.

Firstly, Saviem, you mention the Foden 12 speed. The best gearbox I ever played, and you did play it, and not all could master it. Not a horror story this one but a salutary one. I was climbing Swinscoe out of Ashbourne with an empty artic powder tanker in the snow. I had made it past a couple of stuck vehicles but my progress was slowing and I knew I would soon lose traction. It happened, and the vehicle came to a stop. I thought that was it but I tried a couple of different gears and gently let in the clutch, it was gripping, barely daring to believe I kept my feet with the lightest touch on the pedals and she gradually re-started and ground her way slowly to the top. I have sung the praises of that oh so flexible box ever since. The vehicle was a steel cabbed Foden with a 205 ■■■■■■■ and, of course, the 12 speed. :slight_smile:

A sequel to this story was that I was heading to a sand quarry off the beaten track. I got in there and loaded but by this time the snow was too deep to get out of the quarry. We were offered the floor of their changing rooms for the night and the underfloor heating was most welcome. For food, drink and entertainment we walked to a pub about 10 minutes away. A great evening in front of a blazing log fire set us up for the trudge back.

In the morning I returned to the motor. Most of the snow was gone from the road and I had high hopes of getting on my way to Scotland. Shock! The wagon was in the ditch, well the rear wheels of the unit were, slightly jacknifing it. The telltale skid marks in the snow told the story, it had slid on the melting snow during the night. For once I was glad that I didn’t have a sleeper. Can you imagine the horror of waking in the middle of the night to feel the wagon sliding backwards under you?

The horror story mirrored your own on Harley Bank. I had the Kew Dodge, Perkins 6354 6 speed 2 speed axle with a Boden 28 ft 4-in-line flat loaded to the max with asphalt blocks from Matlock for Stoney Middleton. I had passed trough Calver on the A 623 and, on entering the village, took the left fork up to the quarry which was my destination. I immediately saw how steep it was and stopped to put it into crawler, I knew there would be no forward momentum to allow a change down on the hill. Gave it the gun and kept my trembling foot to the floor as the nose lifted and I saw more sky than road. Half way up it began to give up the ghost and I stopped it, fearfully of stalling the engine and losing air. The foot brake held but the handbrake didn’t. Desperately I looked around for help. I spotted a side road a few yards back and to my left which levelled along the side of the hill. Gingerly I put it in reverse and lifted my feet. A test showed me that the foot brake was taking an age to stop it and scared that if I missed my direction even slightly there would be no chance of a forward shunt I decided to halt it there. But I couldn’t get out, I was trapped by the necessity to keep my rapidly weakening foot on the brake and the old knee trembler was back. For me a knee trembler definitely does not have ■■■■■■ connotations.

Then salvation, a woman came out of her house to see why a lorry was parked across her front. I screamed at her to grab a rock from the dry stone wall around her garden and stuff it under a wheel. That done, I called for another, and another. Only when all the wheels were blocked did I gently remove my foot from the pedal, the nose came up again and for one moment I thought it would wind itself around the back axle. But it held. Unfazed by the near destruction of her wall my kindly saviour brought me inside for tea and phone. And there I remained till the giant Volvo front end loader arrived from the quarry. He hooked me up and, when he had taken up the slack and removed the rocks, instructed me to start the engine, release the handbrake, put it in neutral and…steer. Do nothing else he said, just sit back and enjoy the ride. And that is just what I did, and when we got to the top, effortlessly, he unhooked his chains, looked at my pale but relieved face, and laughed as he drove away. I got the impression he may have done this once or twice before. :slight_smile:

Until this thread started I hadn’t really thought about how much scary stuff there was in this job over the years. :open_mouth:

Until this thread started I hadn’t really thought about how much scary stuff there was in this job over the years. :open_mouth:

You see Gentlemen? They may have spring brakes, auto boxes, traction control, diff locks and reflective jackets these days but look at all the fun they are missing! :open_mouth:

David

David Miller:

Until this thread started I hadn’t really thought about how much scary stuff there was in this job over the years. :open_mouth:

You see Gentlemen? They may have spring brakes, auto boxes, traction control, diff locks and reflective jackets these days but look at all the fun they are missing! :open_mouth:

David

And don’t forget radios, heaters, night heaters, bunks, …oh what a time we had without all that rubbish. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

Brakes? Headlights?

‘You were lucky…’

We were poor, but we were happy.

We had to get up before we went to bed, fill the boiler, lick the coal clean, polish the Foden badge, light the fire, set off for London, put the bucket through the hole in the wall at Markyate to fill the boiler again.

But you try and tell the young people today that… and they won’t believe ya…

John West:
We were poor, but we were happy.

We had to get up before we went to bed, fill the boiler, lick the coal clean, polish the Foden badge, light the fire, set off for London, put the bucket through the hole in the wall at Markyate to fill the boiler again.

But you try and tell the young people today that… and they won’t believe ya…


You was lucky to have a steam engine. Think of us old lads that went all over the country with these.
Cheers Dave.

you had a dog to drive?

we had to lead the horse and every mile run round the back to collect the manure otherwise we couldn’t eat at night. :angry:

PS, this thread has drifted in a most pleasing way, only trouble is half of today’s drivers won’t even have seen the Python sketch which gave rise to it. :laughing:

Spardo:
you had a dog to drive?

we had to lead the horse and every mile run round the back to collect the manure otherwise we couldn’t eat at night. :angry:

PS, this thread has drifted in a most pleasing way, only trouble is half of today’s drivers won’t even have seen the Python sketch which gave rise to it. :laughing:

The dog was only there to calm the horse down from the flash and bang when the photographer took the picture. :unamused: :wink:
Cheers Dave.

Evening all, well Gentlemen we all have memories just as David, and Spardo say…and I surmise that we are all getting on a bit…(though perhaps me more than most)!! Funny how the incidents that terrified us, mix in with the rose tinted ones without any rancour. Perhaps they are a “personal” badge of honour?

Dave R, you mention the Long Myndd, now my Uncles yard and farm were opposite on the Dry Hill, (the one with the flag pole on the end, on your right as you come Shrewsbury bound, just past the Lazy Trout, on the A49). But taking sheep up onto the Long Myndd, particularly if you were going up via Rattlinghope, could be a trifle “hairy”. (Those of you who have the ability, look it up on Google Earth, …or to really experience its “delights”, try it on a winters day in an S18 Foden, with a four pot Gardner, and a rather large box full of Mutton on legs)!! Very few Alpine passes are as hard to drive!

Now in a period many moons ago, a young Saviem, was in love with a fair, (and buxom), maiden who lived in Rattlinghope, and one Summers evening, as the rays turned the heather to gold, I called for her in my “convertible”…actually a David Brown Cropmaster TVO/Petrol of late 40s vintage. The sun turned her, (the tractor…not the buxom maiden), crimson paintwork to fire in the evening glow…and those of you who know realise that unlike most tractors the Cropmaster had a rather comfortable seat for two!! What an elegant way to travel, and a good evening of “amour” was enjoyed by all! But sadly this was not to last…for as ever Winter came…and the delights of the cyclopse headlight Cropmaster waned…my Ford Prefect side valve was no competition for the attraction of a young Bishops Castle farmers Triumph Roadster…amazed me how she fitted into it!!! So I carried on lorry driving…

And flat on my back under one of our 28ft Boden Tandem Box Van trailers, busy taking up the brakes before the long descent of Mt Cenis into Italy, funny how we just accepted that was one of the duties of the job. I loved traversing Cenis, and Petite Grand St Bernard, how ever difficult, the unrolling vista through the windscreen was magical, in fact the whole job, to a young man was like being paid to be on holiday! (irrespective of the hours that we worked, or the difficulties we encountered)…even the Ardennes was a million miles from home!..but the “■■■■ ups”, and scrapes that I got into…

Perhaps a large Bollinger will help me recall them…or forget them!

Cheerio for now.

Chained up and ready for the drop. :open_mouth:

That looks really scary Robert. :neutral_face:

robert1952:
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It does, doesn’t it! I nicked this picture from a German site, but just looking at it sent a chill down my spine. Driving down hills like that in the snow and ice in Bulgaria and Turkey may well be the scariest things I ever did on the road. Quick! Fetch me my brown trousers! Robert :open_mouth:

I just came over the mountains from Nice via Ales and Mende last night and was noting all the ‘chain up’ signs. No problem in October, but give it another couple of months. :unamused:

My mind was more concentrated, as it got later and later, on whether I was going to find a routier or not. I just couldn’t remember and didn’t have one in my book. Relief! On top of a windy pass about 30 minutes south of Mende, half a dozen wagons parked. Good company, a big plate of wild boar inside me, and I was set for all the rocking the wind could throw. Snug as a bug in a rug. :smiley:

Evening all, there I am, just about ready for bed, then Spardo you talk about some real" tricky Dicky", bits of road.

I got caught one winters night with one of our Press Demo TR280s up the Col de Montmirat, thinking, (stupid me), that as it was the main road it would be an easy route…oh no it was not!

Years before in a "Micky Mouse Foden, with a 150 Gardner, I had tried to cut across to Mende via the old road from St Ambroix, what a mistake! By the time that I got to Villefort I was sweating like a pig, (even with the heater from a 150)!, then from Villefort to Bagnois les Bains…far worse than sitting through any “Hammer Horror Film”!!!..Try the Col des Tribes in freezing conditions…blooming heck.

Lovely in summer, but winter, the road may be quieter…but!!

Few realise just how exciting driving in La Belle can be,…and just how remote some parts are.

Bon chance

Cheerio for now.

Was lucky enough to do quite a bit of French in the seventies, but mainly to the nicer bits. Whisky down, champagne back.

Only went through the Blanc once on the way to Dammam on dodgy Italian permits for Douglas Freight, but happily the weather was good, maybe April '76.

My main memories of nasty hills are from the Asir region of Saudi. As mentioned before, had a premonition of a crash, so crawled down the hill imagined in my dream.

Have incredible respect for Dave Anslow, steering that Mack into soft sand on that route. Not sure I’d have been as brave.

A recurring dream from those times is when you’re climbing and the road gets steeper and steeper and eventually it’s so steep you fall over backwards!

The mind video in that dream is always the switchbacks in the Asir.

I haven’t driven a truck in anger for nearly forty years, yet many of my dreams involve trucks (sorry, lorries) and those mountains.

About halfway along, there was an absolutely mystical stone sugar loaf mountain - maybe 1000 ft tall. Why didn’t I take a photo?

It looked like something out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Some incredible views up there. A lay by, where I stopped for lunch, with a massive drop next to it, partitioned by Armco - with a vulture perched on it, eyeing every mouthful of my sandwich, then coming forward to eat it with a swoop and a hop when I threw out the crusts and quickly rolled up the window.

A huge Cadillac with two girls in the back, passing me, the girls waving. A monkey on the rear parcel shelf running back and forth, chattering away. Something obviously said from the front seat. The girls facing front and pulling their abayas back over their faces, and even the monkey pausing, before resuming its pacing.

Happy days.

John

Just remembered as a sequel.

In the early eighties, when I was ‘Operations Manager’ at Caravan, I flew to Khamis Mushayt (translation, Thursday Market) to visit a customer from whom we collected every week.

As we headed to board the plane via the front steps, the Captain, in full airline regalia, was praying to Mecca by the nose wheel of the 737. His shoes were trodden down at the back. I have to say, it didn’t fill me with confidence!

We flew north over the Asir mountains, next landing was to be at Taif. One of the roughest flights I’ve ever endured! Wasn’t sick, but it was a close run thing. We seemed to be at 45 degrees one way then the other all flight.

So, thank you captain for your prayers!

John.

Robert have you done the Col de Cabre on the D93 from Die to serres ,at the top there’s a restaurant with large parking area opersite or if you carry on in the bottom nr serres there’s a les routiers .very nice scenery going up from the Die end but not much to look at once you start going down the other side .

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That’s the one that changes its road number at the top isn’t it, where you pass from one departement to another?

Can you imagine the state of your britches after that little slide? Even getting out would have been fraught with danger. Pushing the door open against the slope and jumping down onto the bank of snow. Be a bugger after surviving that to then slip and take the trip alone. :open_mouth:

Looking at it again I realise how lucky he was, with the weight of the cargo shooting forward to transfer weight over the edge. Even the rescue crew were not immune, if it decided to go after being chained up it could drag the reccer with it.

It is indeed it becomes the 993 ,it’s so nice from valance and on the way up yet the other side is plain for miles and miles .