Really nasty hills

Davidoff:

tiptop495:
Hey, not nice to come down, luckily not a long decent,even coming up empty it, it doesn’t allowed a change up :smiley:
You had carefully to choose the gear you could get the top without a change, bit like the loibl an others :smiley:
Belgium has no montains but this signs can you find frequently in the Ardennes on B roads.

Eric,

Hi Eric,

That looks like the dashboard of a 1-series Scania. Is that a 141 by any chance? Does she already have a TELMA retarder?

Anyhow, I hope you went down there in adequately low gear, but I am sure you did or you would not be here to tell the story!

Cheers
David

Hey David, No retarder nor Telma, it’s a Belgian 141, nearly never bought one over here in that time.
Did slowly otherwise as you said :smiley:

Eric,

The 10% may not be so bad compared to lot of hills posted here. But ad just meting spots, the small “guard rail” with a a couple of 100m drop after. After that ad a bit of snow, ice, no salt and very little gritting. 50t gross weight and you have made it a bit interesting.

It’s one of the Main border crossings between Sweden and Norway, RV77 Junkerdal or Tjernfjellet.
My summer movie from a couple of years back.

how long is malaga hill a45

burnley-si:
how long is malaga hill a45

It’s about 32 kms from Malaga to where it splits for Antequera near the top. It’s quite a climb - done it countless times in all sorts of artics. Robert :slight_smile:

robert1952:

burnley-si:
how long is malaga hill a45

It’s about 32 kms from Malaga to where it splits for Antequera near the top. It’s quite a climb - done it countless times in all sorts of artics. Robert :slight_smile:

thought is was a good hike, used to like the road at santa elena that was a good chicken george with the hair pin and a nice drop on your left :grimacing:

looks like they have built some sort of bridge over it now :cry:

Spardo mentions Bridge in Kent. All the Fridged Freight drivers told about the French lad who lost control going down into the village a year or two before I joined FF. (1972) and took out a house. We used to tiptoe down there loaded to the roof with fruit. After being on Low-loaders you held a healthy respect for any incline, up or down. Jim

Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies for duplication of nasty hills.

My first trip in my Leyland Comet, still aged 20, shouldnt have been driving, with 10 tons of timber for Wigan ( one ton overloaded already!) took me down the A74. Beattock at that time was a slow long climb on the northbound side and a very steep dip down the southbound side. The Leyland would manage about 50 normally. Down that steep slope I was doing over 60 and bricking it! Basically I’d lost control and was just hanging on.

I got away with it! My uncle Jack, whose timber I was hauling, when I told him about it, explained about going down hills in the same gear you would go up them, and told me a tale of when he used to haul timber for George C Croasdale at Haverthwaite. He had a meal in a cafe, which was actually an old bus, at the top of shap and sat with a young lad from Liverpool, who (like me) had been on his first trip.

The lad left first and Jack came across his wrecked truck at the bottom where you bend left, then right and there used to be the ‘Leyland Motors for all Time’ clock.

After that I used to go down Beattock and shap in low gear!

I saw the wrecked trucks in ‘death valley’ on Bolu about 8 years later, but swore it would never happen to me - yet was incredibly lucky to survive brake fade on the long run down into Damascus in 1976. I’d picked up a trailer in Iskenderun and hadn’t checked the brakes - went over Kizil Dagii and Belen no bother, but, like Black John, ran out of Ferodo towards Damascus. Very lucky not to kill myself. The F88’s brakes weren’t brilliant anyway, and the exhaust brake made a noise but didn’t slow you down - but when I finally brought it to a halt the tractor brakes were nearly on fire. when I climbed underneath, the trailer brakes hadn’t been adjusted since new. Mea Culpa, should have checked.

Before a trip to Khamis Mushayt from Dammam when doing internals in Saudi, I had a dream that the truck ran away from me on a hill, I knew the very spot, although I couldn’t point to it on a map 30 odd years later I can still see it in my mind’s eye. I woke up in a sweat the moment before the crash.

I went down that hill in bottom gear! Warning? Just a dream? Don’t know.

Did have an odd experience about 10 years ago though. I ran the Barrow Amtrak depot for 20 years after returning from Saudi.

One morning, Steve, a lad of about 22, who drove a van for a subbie, was loading his parcels and grabbed my hand ‘Hey John, I’ll have to drive carefully today, I got a phone call from a mate of mine at 6 o’clock this morning - he said he’d had a dream that I crashed the van and killed myself. The odd thing was, he’d had a similar dream about his Grandad dying and he died that day.’

At one o’clock, Steve crashed his van and he died in the wreck.

I don’t really believe in that stuff, but it sends a shiver down my spine whenever I think of it.

Was I just dreaming, or was I lucky that I took my premonition seriously and stayed in bottom gear? No idea.

Taif was another place you drove carefully. A vertical mile down switchback Tarmac.

The worst I ever encountered was a trip to Jizan, on the coast of the Red Sea, near the Yemen border. Along the switchback Asir mountain range, past Abha, I came to a closed gate with a guard. With my pidgin Arabic and his Pidgin English, I understood that they were building a new road and the gate wouldn’t open until after 4.00pm. I passed the time loosening the wheel nuts and freeing a trapped boulder from between the drive wheels on the tractor.

I was first in line when they opened the gate and there was an F1 scrum of drivers behind me. After 100 yards on a dirt road, the world ended. Directly in front, with no guard, was a drop of 10,000 feet, two miles, straight down. The road turned sharp right and hugged the mountain side until it went through a tunnel miles in the distance. I completely lost my bottle and would have turned round - but I couldn’t! Cars were already overtaking me. There was only one way - down!

You could see wrecked cars and trucks on the mountain side below. The road wasn’t paved, so every vehicle threw up clouds of dust.

Eventually you sort of got used to it. Sometimes the road was so narrow, you could see the trailer wheels hanging over - well - nothing! Other places it was wide enough for cars to pass, and they did - I have a vision of a small boy hanging out of a car window, a parabola of spew following him!

By the time I arrived at the tunnel, I was no longer in fear seizure mode and the rest of the trip down the mountain wasn’t as frightening - mainly because the new road was finished and much wider.

Tipped in Jizan and headed back.

Somehow the journey back up wasn’t as horrific. A sort of slower introduction to the jaw dropping heights involved near the top.

Definitely a once in a lifetime experience.

John

Nice read John.

John West:
I had a dream that the truck ran away from me on a hill, I knew the very spot, although I couldn’t point to it on a map 30 odd years later I can still see it in my mind’s eye. I woke up in a sweat the moment before the crash.

That was a common occurrence for me over the years, no brake nightmares, my wife used to say that she knew when one happened as my feet were desperately searching for the brakes. In the days of low power, no exhaust brakes or retarders and less than efficient service brakes I suppose this was common amongst many drivers.

I took an 8 wheel Invincible into Stanton Ironworks one hot summer’s day to load for Shaw’s of Stapleford. Before I got to the loading point the engine died, a problem with the fuel supply. I walked to a phone box and they promised to send the fitter. Back in the cab I settled to sleep in the passenger seat,my feet propped underneath the screen. The warm sun meant I drifted off immediately.

The fitter arrived eventually but, instead of waking me gently, thought it would be a grand idea to bang on the cab door, very very loudly. I woke in extreme terror, my booted feet wildly thrashing at the screen. Only the depth of the cab saved it from going through. I was very angry once I had recovered full consciousness and the sweat pouring down my face had nothing to do with the heat of the day. The fitter hurriedly got on with his task of jury rigging a line of plastic pipe from the tank through the open window to the engine, well away from the lashing of my tongue.

John West:
Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies for duplication of nasty hills.

My first trip in my Leyland Comet, still aged 20, shouldnt have been driving, with 10 tons of timber for Wigan ( one ton overloaded already!) took me down the A74. Beattock at that time was a slow long climb on the northbound side and a very steep dip down the southbound side. The Leyland would manage about 50 normally. Down that steep slope I was doing over 60 and bricking it! Basically I’d lost control and was just hanging on.

I got away with it! My uncle Jack, whose timber I was hauling, when I told him about it, explained about going down hills in the same gear you would go up them, and told me a tale of when he used to haul timber for George C Croasdale at Haverthwaite. He had a meal in a cafe, which was actually an old bus, at the top of shap and sat with a young lad from Liverpool, who (like me) had been on his first trip.

The lad left first and Jack came across his wrecked truck at the bottom where you bend left, then right and there used to be the ‘Leyland Motors for all Time’ clock.

After that I used to go down Beattock and shap in low gear!

I saw the wrecked trucks in ‘death valley’ on Bolu about 8 years later, but swore it would never happen to me - yet was incredibly lucky to survive brake fade on the long run down into Damascus in 1976. I’d picked up a trailer in Iskenderun and hadn’t checked the brakes - went over Kizil Dagii and Belen no bother, but, like Black John, ran out of Ferodo towards Damascus. Very lucky not to kill myself. The F88’s brakes weren’t brilliant anyway, and the exhaust brake made a noise but didn’t slow you down - but when I finally brought it to a halt the tractor brakes were nearly on fire. when I climbed underneath, the trailer brakes hadn’t been adjusted since new. Mea Culpa, should have checked.

Before a trip to Khamis Mushayt from Dammam when doing internals in Saudi, I had a dream that the truck ran away from me on a hill, I knew the very spot, although I couldn’t point to it on a map 30 odd years later I can still see it in my mind’s eye. I woke up in a sweat the moment before the crash.

I went down that hill in bottom gear! Warning? Just a dream? Don’t know.

Did have an odd experience about 10 years ago though. I ran the Barrow Amtrak depot for 20 years after returning from Saudi.

One morning, Steve, a lad of about 22, who drove a van for a subbie, was loading his parcels and grabbed my hand ‘Hey John, I’ll have to drive carefully today, I got a phone call from a mate of mine at 6 o’clock this morning - he said he’d had a dream that I crashed the van and killed myself. The odd thing was, he’d had a similar dream about his Grandad dying and he died that day.’

At one o’clock, Steve crashed his van and he died in the wreck.

I don’t really believe in that stuff, but it sends a shiver down my spine whenever I think of it.

Was I just dreaming, or was I lucky that I took my premonition seriously and stayed in bottom gear? No idea.

Taif was another place you drove carefully. A vertical mile down switchback Tarmac.

The worst I ever encountered was a trip to Jizan, on the coast of the Red Sea, near the Yemen border. Along the switchback Asir mountain range, past Abha, I came to a closed gate with a guard. With my pidgin Arabic and his Pidgin English, I understood that they were building a new road and the gate wouldn’t open until after 4.00pm. I passed the time loosening the wheel nuts and freeing a trapped boulder from between the drive wheels on the tractor.

I was first in line when they opened the gate and there was an F1 scrum of drivers behind me. After 100 yards on a dirt road, the world ended. Directly in front, with no guard, was a drop of 10,000 feet, two miles, straight down. The road turned sharp right and hugged the mountain side until it went through a tunnel miles in the distance. I completely lost my bottle and would have turned round - but I couldn’t! Cars were already overtaking me. There was only one way - down!

You could see wrecked cars and trucks on the mountain side below. The road wasn’t paved, so every vehicle threw up clouds of dust.

Eventually you sort of got used to it. Sometimes the road was so narrow, you could see the trailer wheels hanging over - well - nothing! Other places it was wide enough for cars to pass, and they did - I have a vision of a small boy hanging out of a car window, a parabola of spew following him!

By the time I arrived at the tunnel, I was no longer in fear seizure mode and the rest of the trip down the mountain wasn’t as frightening - mainly because the new road was finished and much wider.

Tipped in Jizan and headed back.

Somehow the journey back up wasn’t as horrific. A sort of slower introduction to the jaw dropping heights involved near the top.

Definitely a once in a lifetime experience.

John

A great post, John! That descent into Damascus might not be super steep, but its a long slide down. You mention Belen: I opened this thread with a description of the decent from Kizi to Reyhanli! You also mention Khamis Mushayt, which the old ERF NGC road-trains used to struggle up (see the ERF ‘European’ 1975 thread). I look forward to hearing more of your experiences. Robert :smiley:

It is interesting that several people here have had their first nasty moment which had the ■■■■■■ taking a death grip on the material of the drivers seat in a Leyland.

Mine was very early on whilst driving a Super Comet with a Scammel coupling for an Agricultural Contractor in Newton Abbot. The work was all fertilizer, either bagged from Portland (handball) or liquid in a tanker trailer from Ham Hill. Coming home hugely overloaded from Portland on the A35 I screwed the change down to crawler near the top of the hill up from Morecombelake (those who remember the truck will remember that you could not get crawler without banging your elbow on the back of the cab), had a panic go and jumped the clutch out. Over the hill I got rolling again and now started the hill down into the village of Charmouth which, in those days, the road ran right through the middle of the village. Mindful of what I had been taught I started to brake to get down the gearbox but immediately began to loose air. I got down the box a bit but by then the air had completely gone - no spring brakes in those days of course. I will remember to my dying day putting a foot up on the dashboard and heaving with all my might on the long ‘bus’ handbrake which seemed to help a little. With that, rubbing her down the hedge and braking a bit when the air built up I made it down to the village. It was extremely fortunate that it was about 7 in the evening and there were no people about, far less kids, as I rolled through the village hanging on for grim death. The road went up-hill from the middle of the village so she slowed down, stopped and then ran back a bit before I managed to get her stopped finally. I sat for a while and shook all over, then got to thinking what to do and got out for a look. What had happened was that during my botched attempt at crawler the whole rear axle had jumped and twisted and the Hardy Spicer joint on the prop shaft had taken the bottom out of the aluminium air cylinder on the Scammel coupling (some will remember that the Scammel hitch trailer had brakes that were operated by a wire cable actuated by this cylinder in the coupling!). My solution was equally indicative of our view on road safety at that time and my lack of experience; I got a lump hammer and a socket bar out of the cab and flattened the air pipe to the destroyed cylinder and drove home - very slowly - on the tractor brakes only.

When I think what could have happened I go cold, even now, but for the rest of my career I treated steep hills with the respect they demand.

David

You don’t say, David, when that was. I don’t remember the advent of spring brakes, when they came in I mean, but the experience I had on Bridge hill with the Commer in the early 70s (I think :unamused: ) was a life saver for me and possibly the inhabitants of the village below. If the brakes hadn’t locked on each time the air tanks emptied the result would have been very different.

Its a horrible feeling, even in a car! I once had a complete brake failure on an old banger I had, driving down a very steep hill in Hastings. I only rescued it by changing down through all the gears, narrowly missing a bus near the bottom. Phew! Robert

The truck was B registration Spardo so it was from 1964 and this happened in 1968 when I first got my licence. It’s an awful good job that things are better now.

David

David Miller:
The truck was B registration Spardo so it was from 1964 and this happened in 1968 when I first got my licence. It’s an awful good job that things are better now.

David

You’re not wrong there. It was around 1966 when I had a 4 wheeler Albion which had air over hydraulic I think they called it, whose brakes failed going down the steep hill into Ledbury. I had my back and leg braced in a rigid straight line between the seat and the pedal and the handbrake pulled back as hard as I could get it, and it was still moving. It did stop just after the bend at the lights at the bottom. and then drove across the road to park and find a phone box.

With the same firm, slightly afterwards, now in a Kew Dodge artic I had a similar experience, as mentioned above, in Cornwall. The narrow road, between those solid bank hedges steepened and disappeared ahead round a bend into a village. With nothing in the way of braking happening I desperately kept bouncing it off the bank until at last it stopped with the front wheels facing in different directions. I had a high load of plasterboard on the trailer and the whole thing rocked alarming from side to side with each impact and I remember praying that it would turn over as the lesser of 2 evils.

A furniture van had been following me and he drew alongside and stopped to ask if I was alright. I was too shocked to reply and was shaking with fright, but him and his mate just said OK and continued on their way. :open_mouth: After a while I walked into the village and found the police house. A copper in leathers answered the door, listened to my tale and, without a word, reached for his helmet and walked straight past me, slamming the door behind him and leaving me, still pale and shaking, on the doorstep.

I started to walk back but spotted a teashop and spent the next half hour recovering over a few cups of tea and cream buns. When I finally arrived at the accident where the long arm was directing traffic his only comment (the first I had heard from his mouth) was ‘where the bloody hell have you been?’ I made no reply but trudged back to spend the rest of the day in the teashop. :laughing:

The investigators eventually pronounced that a sliver of rust had blocked the outlet from the hydraulic cylinder. :neutral_face:

Hi Robert,

You’re right Belen was much steeper than ‘the road to Damascus’ - but the Damascus hill was more insidious. You were very aware on Belen, like Death Valley on Bolu that you needed to be very careful, but the dual carriageway and gentle slope towards Damascus, certainly on that occasion meant that I wasn’t paying the driving the attention it deserved - also of course the tractor brakes were doing about 80% of the work.

By the way the lay-by on Belen was where the header photo on my website middleeasttruckingstories.co.uk was taken. If you turned around, there was a magnificent vista across to the Mediterranean.

I’m amazed that you say they took the road trains to Khamis, even after it became tarmac all the way, with only 290 bhp they must have really struggled - mind you, the good thing about driving a road train was the brakes, all those wheels meant they stopped well, even if you struggled to get them going.

John

Blimey John, I was thinking that you had no intention of those logs falling off the Comet with those great shipping chains on. Then I read on and realised it was a model. :blush: :laughing:

John West:
Hi Robert,

You’re right Belen was much steeper than ‘the road to Damascus’ - but the Damascus hill was more insidious. You were very aware on Belen, like Death Valley on Bolu that you needed to be very careful, but the dual carriageway and gentle slope towards Damascus, certainly on that occasion meant that I wasn’t paying the driving the attention it deserved - also of course the tractor brakes were doing about 80% of the work.

By the way the lay-by on Belen was where the header photo on my website middleeasttruckingstories.co.uk was taken. If you turned around, there was a magnificent vista across to the Mediterranean.

I’m amazed that you say they took the road trains to Khamis, even after it became tarmac all the way, with only 290 bhp they must have really struggled - mind you, the good thing about driving a road train was the brakes, all those wheels meant they stopped well, even if you struggled to get them going.

John

Lovely picture! Some of the ERF NGCs had ■■■■■■■ 335s in them! They did Taif mountain as well, with which you will be familiar. Robert :slight_smile:

Evening all,

Spardo, I remember Bridge far to well. When we started to use Dover, (probably around 65ish), rather than the “Gentlemens” boat from Tilbury, (and was it not great to drive 3/4 knackered, along illuminated London streets to ones " floating carpet to the continent) rather than straining to see the road with Mr Fodens dim headlights, but that A2, down and up through Bridge was really a “bridge too far”. Later, driving a high power Gardner 150, with 12 speed box, I would do my best to wake the sleeping inhabitents with copious gearchanges as I powered through at all of 12mph! And of course in a Foden, brakes were never an issue…although there was plenty else that was!!..Particularly when you eventually arrived in bright, sunny, and hot, Sicily!

But my fearfull moment came a few years before on Shropshires Harley Bank, where the road from Shrewsbury endeavours to climb over the limestone escarpment of Wenlock Edge. Cold, damp, a winters tale. Rather heavy with Brymbo wire, tired, (were we all always tired)? missed the gear right on the left hand bend where the gradient steepens, then into one far to low, and she started to buck as the worn rear tyres lost adhesion, then in slow motion she began to jacknife…one never imagines that it can happen going uphill…but it can, and it was happening!..and the angle was acute by the second…

Handbrake on…some hope there, she was going backwards…so slowly…but she was! Out of the cab, raced back to the trailer, yanked a timber from between the landing legs of the 28ft Boden threw it under the drive axle wheels, then a second one under the trailer tandem…she held…my Heart was thumping louder than the Foden on her sweet and innocent tickover…

No other traffic…sweet relief for I was facing the drop on my nearside, just as if I was going to drive straight over. The young “cocky” king of the road was gone, and gone forever…what to do? Each time I tried to drive away she bucked like a young pony, but I rocked her like a baby, and she moved just a few feet…then reared skyward again…I lept from the cab, and banged the timbers under the wheels again…but her angle was less acute, and at last I could see the steep road behind me…

Next attempt, she moved some more, despite the cold I was sweating like a carthorse on a gradient…in the mirror a candle…b… a car was coming, and I`m across the road! I tried again, up and down she went, just a few feet, my rear was illuminated by headlights, the car had stopped behind me…then without warning the stern face of a Police Constable was next to my door!!!

“Having trouble driver”? …of course I was! " Can you move her"? I answered in the affirmative…(.a trifle optimistically)…“if you get going…keep going…leave your timbers…and stop at the Police station in Much Wenlock”…Trouble loomed large ahead!!!

Two more goes, with a Policeman at my rear with bright torches and in front to stop any other traffic, but my little Foden did it, and with a fearfull, and pounding heart I slowly crawled over Harley Bank, and down to the Police station in Much Wenlock, followed by the bright lights of the Police Austin 6 cylinder…what awaited me?

A large mug of tea, and genuine reassurance that I had done the right thing, in an incident that could have gone so wrong. I was a youngster, Id made a mistake, and got myself into a serious problem…but tried to get myself out of it. They were much older, more experienced, and probably saw just how frightened I was…but I have never forgotten their kindness, nor the lesson I learned that night!

Driven up and down some very big banks in Europe, and the USA over the years, but each time I traverse Harley Bank, that night, and those “real” Policemen always come to my mind!

Cheerio for now.

Saviem:
Evening all,

Spardo, I remember Bridge far to well. When we started to use Dover, (probably around 65ish), rather than the “Gentlemens” boat from Tilbury, (and was it not great to drive 3/4 knackered, along illuminated London streets to ones " floating carpet to the continent) rather than straining to see the road with Mr Fodens dim headlights, but that A2, down and up through Bridge was really a “bridge too far”. Later, driving a high power Gardner 150, with 12 speed box, I would do my best to wake the sleeping inhabitents with copious gearchanges as I powered through at all of 12mph! And of course in a Foden, brakes were never an issue…although there was plenty else that was!!..Particularly when you eventually arrived in bright, sunny, and hot, Sicily!

But my fearfull moment came a few years before on Shropshires Harley Bank, where the road from Shrewsbury endeavours to climb over the limestone escarpment of Wenlock Edge. Cold, damp, a winters tale. Rather heavy with Brymbo wire, tired, (were we all always tired)? missed the gear right on the left hand bend where the gradient steepens, then into one far to low, and she started to buck as the worn rear tyres lost adhesion, then in slow motion she began to jacknife…one never imagines that it can happen going uphill…but it can, and it was happening!..and the angle was acute by the second…

Handbrake on…some hope there, she was going backwards…so slowly…but she was! Out of the cab, raced back to the trailer, yanked a timber from between the landing legs of the 28ft Boden threw it under the drive axle wheels, then a second one under the trailer tandem…she held…my Heart was thumping louder than the Foden on her sweet and innocent tickover…

No other traffic…sweet relief for I was facing the drop on my nearside, just as if I was going to drive straight over. The young “cocky” king of the road was gone, and gone forever…what to do? Each time I tried to drive away she bucked like a young pony, but I rocked her like a baby, and she moved just a few feet…then reared skyward again…I lept from the cab, and banged the timbers under the wheels again…but her angle was less acute, and at last I could see the steep road behind me…

Next attempt, she moved some more, despite the cold I was sweating like a carthorse on a gradient…in the mirror a candle…b… a car was coming, and I`m across the road! I tried again, up and down she went, just a few feet, my rear was illuminated by headlights, the car had stopped behind me…then without warning the stern face of a Police Constable was next to my door!!!

“Having trouble driver”? …of course I was! " Can you move her"? I answered in the affirmative…(.a trifle optimistically)…“if you get going…keep going…leave your timbers…and stop at the Police station in Much Wenlock”…Trouble loomed large ahead!!!

Two more goes, with a Policeman at my rear with bright torches and in front to stop any other traffic, but my little Foden did it, and with a fearfull, and pounding heart I slowly crawled over Harley Bank, and down to the Police station in Much Wenlock, followed by the bright lights of the Police Austin 6 cylinder…what awaited me?

A large mug of tea, and genuine reassurance that I had done the right thing, in an incident that could have gone so wrong. I was a youngster, Id made a mistake, and got myself into a serious problem…but tried to get myself out of it. They were much older, more experienced, and probably saw just how frightened I was…but I have never forgotten their kindness, nor the lesson I learned that night!

Driven up and down some very big banks in Europe, and the USA over the years, but each time I traverse Harley Bank, that night, and those “real” Policemen always come to my mind!

Cheerio for now.

The hills in Shropshire aren’t high John as in above sea level, but they are steep with big drops. The one you mention isn’t good. The road going up onto the Long Myndd puts the fear of god into car drivers, let alone a lorry driver who had to make a delivery up there.
Cheers Dave.