Hi all got a couple of questions, Ive got my C+E in march with East Coast driver training in Norwich anyone got anything to say about them■■?
Also since passing my class C Ive not really drove all day as im a skip driver so I never really have to worry about my driver hrs, Ive been told that in a week you have to take 2 11hr rest periods and 3 9hr periods is that correct■■?
An your driver hrs are 9 hrs a day, but can be exceeded to 10hrs twice a week■■?
If I start a day with 9 hrs driving, an I drive for 1 hr and it say take 4 hrs to unload do I still have 8hrs of driving left■■?
An when parked on unloading bay what do I put my taco onto? Otherwork?
Thanks Dave
Bigdave:
Ive been told that in a week you have to take 2 11hr rest periods and 3 9hr periods is that correct■■?
Almost. Daily rest is 11 hours per day but you can reduce this to 9 hours three times between weekly rest periods.
Bigdave:
An your driver hrs are 9 hrs a day, but can be exceeded to 10hrs twice a week■■?
Yes.
Bigdave:
If I start a day with 9 hrs driving, an I drive for 1 hr and it say take 4 hrs to unload do I still have 8hrs of driving left■■?
Yes
Bigdave:
An when parked on unloading bay what do I put my taco onto? Otherwork?
That depends on whether you are doing the unloading or are just sitting there while someone else does it. If you are doing it then it is other work. If you are just relaxing while someone else does it then you can put it on break.
Did my C with them last November or rather through them as they used a freelance instructor who was excellent. Found them very helpful and accommodating to my needs. Will certainly go back when I have the ££ for the C+E.
W.
Thats great, Thank you was really confussing me ha ha
Coffeeholic:
Bigdave:
An when parked on unloading bay what do I put my taco onto? Otherwork?That depends on whether you are doing the unloading or are just sitting there while someone else does it. If you are doing it then it is other work. If you are just relaxing while someone else does it then you can put it on break.
Unless you are due a break, isn’t it better to put it on POA?
Nez
Nezza:
Coffeeholic:
Bigdave:
An when parked on unloading bay what do I put my taco onto? Otherwork?That depends on whether you are doing the unloading or are just sitting there while someone else does it. If you are doing it then it is other work. If you are just relaxing while someone else does it then you can put it on break.
Unless you are due a break, isn’t it better to put it on POA?
Nez
Personally I’ve never used POA so I would just put it on break, if a period qualifies as POA it certainly qualifies as break and if long enough could even be used as part of a split daily rest which can be useful at times.
The only reasons I can see for using POA instead of break is if you don’t get paid for break for some reason or you want to delay taking a break to save you taking another one later in the day.
Nezza:
Coffeeholic:
Bigdave:
An when parked on unloading bay what do I put my taco onto? Otherwork?That depends on whether you are doing the unloading or are just sitting there while someone else does it. If you are doing it then it is other work. If you are just relaxing while someone else does it then you can put it on break.
Unless you are due a break, isn’t it better to put it on POA?
Nez
If you know approximately how long you will be waiting you can use POA, but unless you don’t get paid for breaks there’s no real reason not to use break, POA is likely to complicate your driving time on a digital tachograph as the tacho will count it as break and reset the driving time on the display so you could easily lose track of how much driving time you have left before needing a break.
Neither POA or break count as working time so there’s not much difference in that respect, so as long as it’s not going to cost money a lot of people find it easier to use break.
Fair enough, that makes sense…thanks 
Bigdave:
Hi all got a couple of questions, Ive got my C+E in march with East Coast driver training in Norwich anyone got anything to say about them■■?
Also since passing my class C Ive not really drove all day as im a skip driver so I never really have to worry about my driver hrs, Ive been told that in a week you have to take 2 11hr rest periods and 3 9hr periods is that correct■■?
An your driver hrs are 9 hrs a day, but can be exceeded to 10hrs twice a week■■?
If I start a day with 9 hrs driving, an I drive for 1 hr and it say take 4 hrs to unload do I still have 8hrs of driving left■■?
An when parked on unloading bay what do I put my taco onto? Otherwork?
Thanks Dave
Yes but you must take a 45 mins break when you accumulate 4.5 hours driving. You also have to comply with the Road Transport Directive which says you need to take a 30 mins break by the time you reach 6 hours work,or 45 mins total if you are going to work more than 6 hours including driving, unless you use POA which will defer that point. So if you record 1 hour POA for example this does not count when working out when you need to take a break to comply with the RTD meaning you could go up to the 7 hour mark.
You can split your breaks into 15 or 30 but the 30 mins must be taken after the 15 
(stay with me it’s simple really!)
In your line of work I wouldn’t bother with POA as I doubt your normal day will make it worth bothering with. I also wouldn’t bother splitting the 45 mins and would take it sometime before you reach the 4.5 driving limit or the 6 hour RTD limit, unless you tend to do a lot of driving in your job.
Coffee will be along to correct any clangers I’ve dropped! 
44 Tonne Ton:
You also have to comply with the Road Transport Directive which says you need to take a 30 mins break by the time you reach 6 hours work,or 45 mins total if you are going to work more than 6 hours including driving
Not quite, you should have a break of at least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If your working time is more than 6 hours but do not exceed 9 hours your breaks should total at least 30 minutes and interrupt the shift, if you work over 9 hours your breaks should total at least 45 minutes.
The breaks for the WTD can be split into parts of no less than 15 minutes.
Breaks taken for the WTD also count for the tachograph breaks if they meet the tachograph break requirements and vise versa.
44 Tonne Ton:
Coffee will be along to correct any clangers I’ve dropped!
Eventually 
Yeah simples
And if you take a 15 min break the second break MUST be a 30. Take a 45 when you need a break and be done with it!
If you are sat on a loading bay for 4 hours, you could put the mode switch onto break providing you are doing nowt else, then you can use that as a split break that evening, it means you can sleep for 9 hours but it counts as a normal rest period.
It all depends on your wage structure or if you need to be home early
All of the regulations are in this guide.
From the guide!
Disclaimer
This publication gives general guidance only and should not be regarded as a complete
or authoritative statement of the law. The guidance will be updated to reflect any
developments in new legislation or case law.
If you wish to check the legal position, you should refer to the main legislation listed
in Annex 1 and, if necessary, seek your own legal advice. The guidance offered in this
publication reflects VOSA’s current enforcement policy. It does not reflect interpretation
of the law in other countries.
Who can ya believe then?!?!
44 Tonne Ton:
From the guide!Disclaimer
This publication gives general guidance only and should not be regarded as a complete
or authoritative statement of the law. The guidance will be updated to reflect any
developments in new legislation or case law.
If you wish to check the legal position, you should refer to the main legislation listed
in Annex 1 and, if necessary, seek your own legal advice. The guidance offered in this
publication reflects VOSA’s current enforcement policy. It does not reflect interpretation
of the law in other countries.Who can ya believe then?!?!
The VOSA booklet GV262 is indeed a guide and not the exact wording of the law however I posted it for Bigdave because it’s a good way to learn or brush up on the regulations, most drivers don’t want to read the exact regulations so a guide is generally adequate for people trying to brush up on what they should or should not do.
I’m a little confuse by your question of “Who can ya believe then?!?!” 
What part of VOSAs guide GV262 do you think is not correct or in disagreement with the regulations ?
tachograph:
44 Tonne Ton:
From the guide!Disclaimer
This publication gives general guidance only and should not be regarded as a complete
or authoritative statement of the law. The guidance will be updated to reflect any
developments in new legislation or case law.
If you wish to check the legal position, you should refer to the main legislation listed
in Annex 1 and, if necessary, seek your own legal advice. The guidance offered in this
publication reflects VOSA’s current enforcement policy. It does not reflect interpretation
of the law in other countries.Who can ya believe then?!?!
The VOSA booklet GV262 is indeed a guide and not the exact wording of the law however I posted it for Bigdave because it’s a good way to learn or brush up on the regulations, most drivers don’t want to read the exact regulations so a guide is generally adequate for people trying to brush up on what they should or should not do.
I’m a little confuse by your question of “Who can ya believe then?!?!”
What part of VOSAs guide GV262 do you think is not correct or in disagreement with the regulations ?
The point I was making is that if VOSA aren’t prepared to stand by the information in their own publications what can a driver rely on as gospel?
The VOSA guide is the same as The Highway Code, a guide to several different regulations and as with both documents it is the actual regulations you will be prosecuted under and not GV262 or The Highway Code so the disclaimer does make sense.
Coffeeholic:
The VOSA guide is the same as The Highway Code, a guide to several different regulations and as with both documents it is the actual regulations you will be prosecuted under and not GV262 or The Highway Code so the disclaimer does make sense.
You’ve missed your calling! The Civil Service awaits!
The point I was making is that the vast majority of drivers and I include myself in this, would have some difficulty translating the regs as written in legalese, so an authoritative guide written in plain English becomes a necessity if drivers are to remain compliant with the law. For a booklet issued by one of the prosecuting agencies to use that get out leaves me wondering why they take the trouble to print it in the first place if drivers can’t rely on it?
I’ll nick you if you do something wrong even if I’ve told you, in writing it’s ok to do it !
tachograph:
What part of VOSAs guide GV262 do you think is not correct or in disagreement with the regulations ?
Don’t start !! 