Boyles transport bosses got years in jail for tacho fraud and pushing drivers and multi million pound fines.they used ferry bookings and other bits of evidence to prove times not matching to tachos.when they raid your employer you go down with a sinking ship.
Wheel Nut:
Rob K:
FarnboroughBoy11:
To be honest is it really worth battling against the company you work for?, get all your wages owed and start looking elsewhere as its not really a great working relationship is it.This ^.
You won’t change companies like that. However I think someone is being economical with the truth somewhere. Either you are seriously hanging the job out or the other guy is running bent (and I don’t mean just ignoring speed limits) because 4 hours is a lot of difference.
As you say Rob, 4 hours takes some gaining, even if the magnet stays on
1 hour approx gained by flying round like Jensen Button
45 mins gained not taking second driving break
30 mins approx gained possibly delivering on breaks
1 hour approx gained doing pre/post shift checks and loading/tipping truck without accounting for the time
There’s 3 hrs 15… not taking rush hour traffic into account as I’m doing the roads later in the day.
I actually had one driver say to me after I finished late “well, sitting there for 2x45 minute breaks doing nothing is the reason why you brought stuff back…”
He was correct, but why should I handball through my breaks just so everything is on schedule?
It might be interesting for you to post your digital printouts for a week, removing any identification of you or your company of course.
If you are sure you that want to stay with the company, then challenge the man to send a time and motion bod out with you for a week, if he is so sure that you are hanging the job out and you are sure of the opposite. One day will be a complete waste of time since traffic conditions may be unusual. If this does happen the make sure you set the cruise control/speed limiter for 40mph etc.
DearBoy:
Hi, I’ve just been informed that, even though I’ve accrued approx 50 hours OT this month, it will not be paid as I’m going too slowly.
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Employment tribunal, letter to Traffic Commissioner in your area.
Wheel Nut:
As you say Rob, 4 hours takes some gaining, even if the magnet stays on
Not really. 50 miles at 50MPH takes 60 minutes, 50 miles at 40MPH takes 75 minutes. Tip on break, there’s 45 minutes. Load on break, there’s another 45 minutes.
Get the instructions in writting then contact VOSA.
Wheel Nut:
It might be interesting for you to post your digital printouts for a week, removing any identification of you or your company of course.
Quite happy to, don’t have a working scanner at the mo but I’ll transcribe the 2 days I referred to above. Here goes
O = driving
X = other work
H = break
X 1840 1853 00h13 (manual) ----- X 1900 1921 00h21 (manual)
O 1853 1856 00h03 ----- O 1921 1923 00h02
X 1856 1926 00h30 ----- X 1923 1939 00h16
O 1926 1957 00h31 ----- O 1939 1942 00h03
X 1957 2002 00h05 ----- X 1942 1956 00h14
O 2002 2059 00h57 ----- O 1956 2022 00h26
X 2059 2102 00h03 ----- X 2022 2027 00h05
O 2102 2104 00h02 ----- O 2027 2128 01h01
X 2104 2111 00h07 ----- X 2128 2135 00h07
O 2111 2151 00h40 ----- O 2135 2210 00h35
X 2151 2220 00h29 ----- X 2210 2220 00h10
O 2220 2222 00h02 ------ O 2220 2245 00h25
X 2222 2224 00h02 ----- X 2245 2258 00h13
O 2224 2253 00h29 ----- O 2258 2354 00h56
X 2253 2304 00h11 ----- X 2354 0000 00h06
O 2304 2355 00h51 — 186 Km
X 2355 2357 00h02
O 2357 0000 00h03
187km
O 0000 0001 00h01 ----- X 0000 0005 00h05
X 0001 0013 00h12 ----- O 0005 0040 00h35
O 0013 0018 00h05 ----- H 0040 0128 00h48
H 0018 0034 00h16 ----- X 0128 0138 00h10
O 0034 0107 00h33 ----- O 0138 0234 00h56
X 0107 0118 00h11 ----- X 0234 0240 00h06
H 0118 0148 00h30 ----- O 0240 0354 01h14
O 0148 0243 00h55 ----- X 0354 0405 00h11
X 0243 0251 00h08 ----- O 0405 0428 00h23
O 0251 0407 01h16 ----- H 0428 0517 00h49
X 0407 0419 00h12 ----- X 0517 0518 00h01
O 0419 0623 02h04 ----- O 0518 0746 02h28
H 0623 0711 00h48 ----- X 0746 0750 00h04
X 0711 0712 00h01 ----- O 0750 0751 00h01
O 0712 0750 00h38 ----- X 0751 0758 00h07
X 0750 0752 00h02 ----- O 0758 0853 00h55
O 0752 0753 00h01 ----- X 0853 0854 00h01
X 0753 0758 00h05 ----- 369 Km
O 0758 0839 00h41
X 0839 0840 00h01 ----- 01h06 POA waiting to be picked up to end of duty time
349 Km
60 mins POA waiting to be picked up to end of duty time.
Chuffin’ hell that wasn’t much fun to type! Must get a new scanner.
Shame I can’t get my mitts on a printout of the other guys shift, Thing is I don’t want to drop him or anyone else in the ■■■. I couldn’t give a rat’s ■■■ how they work. I am bothered that I’m getting shafted for doing things by the book on a run that is blatantly planned over 9 hours legal driving.
toby1234abc:
Boyles transport bosses got years in jail for tacho fraud and pushing drivers and multi million pound fines.they used ferry bookings and other bits of evidence to prove times not matching to tachos.when they raid your employer you go down with a sinking ship.
Happend to a driver as well.
His boss assured him he’d pay whatever he worked and not what was on the tacho.
Marked it all down in his diary and all went well until a bad accident and the police searched his cab.
All the breaks he’d worked and the tipping off card with 5 hours rest etc caught up with him in a big way.
Muckaway:
I actually had one driver say to me after I finished late “well, sitting there for 2x45 minute breaks doing nothing is the reason why you brought stuff back…”
He was correct, but why should I handball through my breaks just so everything is on schedule?
I love those kind of guys, didn’t start his conversation by telling you the pay was crap too did he?
W
AlexWignall:
Muckaway:
I actually had one driver say to me after I finished late “well, sitting there for 2x45 minute breaks doing nothing is the reason why you brought stuff back…”
He was correct, but why should I handball through my breaks just so everything is on schedule?I love those kind of guys, didn’t start his conversation by telling you the pay was crap too did he?
W
If you do it in 50 hours it is…The joy of job and knock!
Anyhow booked a week off end of June, so hopefully something else will come up by then.
The fact is the average driver doesn’t stick to 40mph on SCs, regardless what the law says and if it’s just curtain opening for a forkie I don’t really see why people get so worked up about tipping on breaks - although a lot of this is about drivers thinking driving breaks means them freely disposing of their time or a canteen, they don’t really think it’s a threat to road safety.
You’ll find plenty of support on here as it’s infested with ‘doing it by the book’ wannabee Territorial VOSA/Traffic Police Special Constables and finger wagging road safety drama queens. However, this is far from a reflection of reality as the only drivers I consistently come across sticking to 40mph on SCs, and not going flat out on DCs, are supermarket trolley dollies. Therefore, if you feel you need to spend your life sticking religiously to the rules this would be the job you should be looking to get into.
OAD, I’d love the luxury of “a forkie unloading whilst I’m on break,” but in my case to save time I’d be carrying a tonne upstairs for my 45. Just so I can have the luxury of a 12 hour day.
Own Account Driver:
The fact is the average driver doesn’t stick to 40mph on SCs, regardless what the law says and if it’s just curtain opening for a forkie I don’t really see why people get so worked up about tipping on breaks - although a lot of this is about drivers thinking driving breaks means them freely disposing of their time or a canteen, they don’t really think it’s a threat to road safety.You’ll find plenty of support on here as it’s infested with ‘doing it by the book’ wannabee Territorial VOSA/Traffic Police Special Constables and finger wagging road safety drama queens. However, this is far from a reflection of reality as the only drivers I consistently come across sticking to 40mph on SCs, and not going flat out on DCs, are supermarket trolley dollies. Therefore, if you feel you need to spend your life sticking religiously to the rules this would be the job you should be looking to get into.
Oki Doki, you’re entitled to your opinion - here’s mine…
If I choose to drive faster than the law allows for whatever reason then that is my decision, my risk and I will take the consequences of my actions if I am caught. Same goes for tipping on break.
Being expected to do either or both of these as an operational requirement in order to do a shift ‘legally’ is a massively different proposition that is unacceptable to me and being financially penalised for not playing managements brownie point winning, cost cutting games is out of order.
Yes its called free speech legislation.
In effect you turn to the sob and tell them to ■■■■ off.
Problem solved.
How did you react when you were told they were stealing 50 hours of overtime pay from you? What was your reply?
Contraflow:
How did you react when you were told they were stealing 50 hours of overtime pay from you? What was your reply?
Wasn’t told directly,my understanding of what was said in ‘informal’ meeting, whilst knackered and caffeine overdosed after night shift, was I was being told to pull my finger out or we will no longer pay you OT. Turned up for work and was told by another driver that my OT had been stopped (even though I hadn’t told anyone) subsequently confirmed by another manager so I’ve had the bank holiday weekend to brood and decide what to do. Goddam angry now. HR first port of call. VOSA last.
Sorry, didn’t answer your question. When the second manager confirmed what was going on I told him I thought it was out of order and asked for the decision and the reason why in writing. Should find out tomorrow if I get it.
I’d seriously consider a word to VOSA. I’ve heard they are very gentle with whistleblowers. Might help to do this once you’ve another job lined up, you could claim resigning was your only option…
Muckaway:
OAD, I’d love the luxury of “a forkie unloading whilst I’m on break,” but in my case to save time I’d be carrying a tonne upstairs for my 45. Just so I can have the luxury of a 12 hour day.
If I was an employed driver I wouldn’t put it on break for handball/genuine unloading work either, most likely. If it was a job where a large part was sitting on the motorway on cruise control. that’s pushing the definition of work, then maybe I’d put it on break also.