Driving to the world championships in Hungary and my prospective co-driver is provisional CE.
Holds a C
Wagon 14tonne, trailer 1.230.
I know a Provisional CE is OK to drive in UK.
Is it also OK in France, Belgium, Germany, Austria and Hungary?
DVLA cant help.
Pairsdriver:
Driving to the world championships in Hungary and my prospective co-driver is provisional CE.
Holds a C
Wagon 14tonne, trailer 1.230.
I know a Provisional CE is OK to drive in UK.
Is it also OK in France, Belgium, Germany, Austria and Hungary?
DVLA cant help.
I can’t comment for the other countries, but the concept of a provisional licence doesn’t even exist in France, and therefore it is NOT valid in France.
Héraultais:
I can’t comment for the other countries, but the concept of a provisional licence doesn’t even exist in France, and therefore it is NOT valid in France.
Same in Germany
From my understanding each EU country has their own rules on this so you need to research each of them you will be going through
Perhaps calls to each of their respective embassies is the way to do that but I am just guessing
I could post a load of links in French that would confirm what I have already said, but I have passed two driving tests in France (C and C+E) and know the system very well. Believe me, it is absolutely a nonstarter as far as France is concerned, which unless you are taking a long sea route, would seem to make it a complete nonrunner.
Thanks all - replanning without a trailer!
Probably best option! 
If you have a provisional licence for a class, it’s because you haven’t passed the test for that class. If you haven’t passed the test, you don’t hold a licence for that class. It’s as simple as that.
A provisional licence is only valid in the country which issues it. It isn’t a licence to drive that class of vehicle, it is a piece of paper which allows you to be trained to drive that class of vehicle, which in this country we call a provisional licence.
There is no point in researching any further into differences in rules in various countries.
The rule is :- You must have a full licence for the class, to drive that class of vehicle in a foreign country.
I’m amazed that an HGV/LGV driving instructor is not aware of this distinction.
Full licence holders are allowed to drive in other countries so why not those with provisional as those other countries must also have some sort of provisional/training licences
Its not beyond credulity to expect that there could be a similar agreements in regard to this
I drove in several EU countries on a provisional licence both C and C&E never had any problems with the police ect, Although driving when loaded for hire and reward , is an offence even in the uk, and then there is the L plates, these are different in each country ,not as that bothered us ,we didn’t even display them on the vehicle when in the uk most of the time
one thing that could be argued that if double manned that if the provisional driver is driving the co driver isn’t resting , so double manning would be 10hrs driving max
ROG:
Full licence holders are allowed to drive in other countries so why not those with provisional as those other countries must also have some sort of provisional/training licencesIts not beyond credulity to expect that there could be a similar agreements in regard to this
the guessing game is a very expensive game indeed.
ROG:
Full licence holders are allowed to drive in other countries so why not those with provisional as those other countries must also have some sort of provisional/training licencesIts not beyond credulity to expect that there could be a similar agreements in regard to this
Because a provisional licence is the name we give to a piece of paper which authorises you to be trained to drive a vehicle. It isn’t a licence to drive that vehicle.
You cannot drive in another country unless you have a full licence for the vehicle you are driving.
Why would they want to extend the licence agreement to include learner drivers?
It isn’t just the authorities, there is the insurance companies to be convinced as well.
tommy t:
I drove in several EU countries on a provisional licence both C and C&E never had any problems with the police ect, Although driving when loaded for hire and reward , is an offence even in the uk, and then there is the L plates, these are different in each country ,not as that bothered us ,we didn’t even display them on the vehicle when in the uk most of the time
Has the law changed then Tommy as I was driving a loaded artic on 'L’s but that was in 95,not abroad though and things do change I appreciate.
before i got my full C & E pre 2005 when having a driving lesson i asked the instructor, about driving a loaded vehicle, He said that whilst you could legally train in a loaded vehicle, you couldn’t if it was for hire /reward , So if i was driving a fully freighted artic in connection with my job,ie delivering goods , that would be breaking the law, how true this is i don’t know, It’s the same when with doubled manning, the arguement about how can the qualified driver supervise the co driver and have a break whilst doing this? hence why we had one driver say that only single manned hours should apply
tommy t:
before i got my full C & E pre 2005 when having a driving lesson i asked the instructor, about driving a loaded vehicle, He said that whilst you could legally train in a loaded vehicle, you couldn’t if it was for hire /reward , So if i was driving a fully freighted artic in connection with my job,ie delivering goods , that would be breaking the law, how true this is i don’t know, It’s the same when with doubled manning, the arguement about how can the qualified driver supervise the co driver and have a break whilst doing this? hence why we had one driver say that only single manned hours should apply
Not true
In the UK you can be a LGV learner on a fully freighted truck delivering goods providing all the rules including tacho rules are obeyed
Typical of someone in the training industry to spout ■■■■■■■■ (unless he was meaning that the insurance wouldn’t pay out in the event of an accident)?
I do know that in order to supervise a learner that the one doing the supervising has to of held a full licence for at least 3yrs in the same catagory before they can supervise an provisional licence holder , unless the boffins have changed that rule
tommy t:
Typical of someone in the training industry to spout ■■■■■■■■ (unless he was meaning that the insurance wouldn’t pay out in the event of an accident)?I do know that in order to supervise a learner that the one doing the supervising has to of held a full licence for at least 3yrs in the same catagory before they can supervise an provisional licence holder , unless the boffins have changed that rule
Rule still the same