the maoster:
That’s [zb] this post then!
yep
I’m not British …
I’M ENGLISH
not Welsh
not Scottish
not Irish
not bloody Indian, Asian, American, Canadian.
Just ENGLISH
Carryfast:
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Although no surprise you didn’t answer the question in that I said who would have cause to hate us ‘today’ (?)…
If I can latch on to this quote. You really don’t have to look very far to identify the border of many country’s who’s nation have a total dislike for all things “British”. Granted these feelings are founded in historical events, but let’s face it our “Powers-that-be” at any point in our history did us no favours when it came to “Foreign relations” and “Goodwill” wherever we ventured to fulfill our “Imperialistic” policies.
Solly:
Carryfast:
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Although no surprise you didn’t answer the question in that I said who would have cause to hate us ‘today’ (?)…If I can latch on to this quote. You really don’t have to look very far to identify the border of many country’s who’s nation have a total dislike for all things “British”. Granted these feelings are founded in historical events, but let’s face it our “Powers-that-be” at any point in our history did us no favours when it came to “Foreign relations” and “Goodwill” wherever we ventured to fulfill our “Imperialistic” policies.
As I’ve said if you subtract most of the actions of the Hanoverian led redcoat army,amongst some other isolated similar types of actions and attitudes by it’s forces and leadership over the years,and the general level of relatively less civilised behaviour which applied generally in medieval times,then this country has nothing in it’s past to be ashamed of when all that is balanced against it’s actions during WW2 and relative civilisation it brought to it’s colonies.The world would have been a much less civilised place now if those axis powers had won which probably would have been the case if Britain had declared itself neutral in 1939 like,Ireland,Spain,Switzerland and Sweden etc. 
Ironically one of it’s less glorious policies being that of fighting with the IDF forces during the establishment of the state of Israel.
After which then of course suffering the inevitable consequences in the form of a backlash from the Arab states and now places like Iran and it’s supporters,when the government eventually saw sense in supporting it.Which as I’ve said is nothing to be ashamed of. 
Solly:
Carryfast:
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Although no surprise you didn’t answer the question in that I said who would have cause to hate us ‘today’ (?)…If I can latch on to this quote. You really don’t have to look very far to identify the border of many country’s who’s nation have a total dislike for all things “British”.
Been in Belfast today, had some time so went to visit my friends who live there. When parked my van (that is plain white and on English plates) and was getting out, had some teenagers from down the street shouting at me, until my friend told them “calm down, he’s Polish as well”. They apologized…
Seems that they don’t like you there 
orys:
Solly:
Carryfast:
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Although no surprise you didn’t answer the question in that I said who would have cause to hate us ‘today’ (?)…If I can latch on to this quote. You really don’t have to look very far to identify the border of many country’s who’s nation have a total dislike for all things “British”.
Been in Belfast today, had some time so went to visit my friends who live there. When parked my van (that is plain white and on English plates) and was getting out, had some teenagers from down the street shouting at me, until my friend told them “calm down, he’s Polish as well”. They apologized…
Seems that they don’t like you there
You’ve been a bit selective in forgetting to point out that there are also parts of Belfast where they do and it wasn’t the Irish Republic that went to Poland’s aid in 1939.
Although having said that maybe you missed this in one of my previous posts elsewhere.As I said not everything the British have done has been right over the years and it’s policy concerning the Irish problem has often been one of those but as I said the country’s actions in WW2 outweighed any of that as my Catholic Northern Irish Grandmother would have agreed.
I think its wrong to judge the actions of any country 100 or 200 years ago by todays standards.
Yes slavery was wrong and colonialism was but i dont see why people born now should be held to blame.
As always it was tge rich and powerful who benefitted. The ordainry working man in britain wasnt to blame for slavery and wasnt exatly living a lavish lifestyle.
Carryfast:
You’ve been a bit selective in forgetting to point out that there are also parts of Belfast where they do and it wasn’t the Irish Republic that went to Poland’s aid in 1939.
Neither went Britain
kr79:
I think its wrong to judge the actions of any country 100 or 200 years ago by todays standards.
Yes slavery was wrong and colonialism was but i dont see why people born now should be held to blame.
As always it was tge rich and powerful who benefitted. The ordainry working man in britain wasnt to blame for slavery and wasnt exatly living a lavish lifestyle.
True, but still If I had a choice, I would rather be a working British man than a slave. You?
As for the general observation: of course nobody should blame us today for what our countries did years ago, but that’s exactly my point…
Why should we be proud of that our countries are great, if their greatness is build at this not always good actions from the past?
Either we take up the whole responsibility and then we can enjoy greatness but also feel responsible for what our predecessors were doing, or we just agree that we are people who live here and there and only take credit for own our actions.
I feel (it’s not about this thread, it’s about patriotism as a whole) that the point is that one cherry-pick the elements from the history that he can be proud of, while all unconvienient bits are put into the section “it was then, it does not count now”.
Of course no one would choose to be born in to slavery but when where and what background we are born in to isnt something any of us can choose.
I dont think most people who are proud to be british today are because of the empire or our colonial past. I realy think carryfast was born 100 years to late and would be much happier been out in some empire outpost taking pot shots at the natives.
Not knocling you orys but you seem to be very anti Britain and anti British but no one forces you to be here.
Why do people move to other countrys full stop? In my opinion it is to build a better future for your self wether that means working overseas for a time before returning home or setteling down elsewhere.
Despite what many of the indigonus population of Britain think there are far worse places to live than the UK and if your prepared to put the effort in its realy possible to better yourself here.
kr79:
when where and what background we are born in to isnt something any of us can choose.
My point exactly.
I dont think most people who are proud to be british today are because of the empire or our colonial past. I realy think carryfast was born 100 years to late and would be much happier been out in some empire outpost taking pot shots at the natives.
Not knocling you orys but you seem to be very anti Britain and anti British but no one forces you to be here.
I am in no way anti-Britain and anti-British. The best proof of that is that I live here and enjoy it. But I am anti-crap. And in my eyes stuff like carryfast’s “All thing British are the bestests, because they are British” is crap. Saying that, I am exactly the same when it comes to “all things Polish are the bestests because they are Polish”.
I am fully for “This thing is the best before ”. Therefore I love Scotland because it is a beautiful country, I like to live here because living here is easy and people are friendly and so on and so forth. I have 100s of reasons why I live in Britain, but “Because it’s British and therefore the best” is not one of them.
I agree with the rest of what you say.
kr79:
I dont think most people who are proud to be british today are because of the empire or our colonial past. I realy think carryfast was born 100 years to late and would be much happier been out in some empire outpost taking pot shots at the natives.
Blimey if you’ve read what I’ve said I would have saved all the money of bothering to set up the Empire because ‘the British’ have actually gained nothing from it in that it’s cost us more than we’ve ever gained from it.Just like our membership of the EU.
Carryfast:
Blimey if you’ve read what I’ve said I would have saved all the money of bothering to set up the Empire because ‘the British’ have actually gained nothing from it in that it’s cost us more than we’ve ever gained from it.Just like our membership of the EU.
You darent say what you realy think…England the land of free speach is no more !
shytalk:
You darent say what you realy think…England the land of free speach is no more !
Funny you have mentioned that.
I have to say I was shocked when I found that some anti-monarchists were jailed as a precaution so they won’t spoil fun on Royal Wedding…
I remember such things from my childhood - my father was a dissident in communist Poland, he served some time in jail for being underground journalist and they were jailing them as a precaution every 1st may so they don’t spoil the parade with “shouting “Solidarność”” as my mother explained it to me…
We get rid of suchg practices in 1989 and I was really shocked to see that you do such things here in UK…
orys:
shytalk:
You darent say what you realy think…England the land of free speach is no more !Funny you have mentioned that.
I have to say I was shocked when I found that some anti-monarchists were jailed as a precaution so they won’t spoil fun on Royal Wedding…
I remember such things from my childhood - my father was a dissident in communist Poland, he served some time in jail for being underground journalist and they were jailing them as a precaution every 1st may so they don’t spoil the parade with “shouting “Solidarność”” as my mother explained it to me…
We get rid of suchg practices in 1989 and I was really shocked to see that you do such things here in UK…
If they’ve been jailed for anti monarchist activeties you can bet that it would have involved a bit more than just saying stuff that the Royals don’t want to hear.I’ve said plenty of controversial things about the Royal family on here without MI5 having arrested anyone.
Most of the problems we’ve got here concerning free speech are mostly in regard to the political issues of the country’s immigration policy and political correctness in general.
We need more people like this, defending our right to be English. He is a true patriot (apparently) and is obviously educated enough to know that Britain is obviously the best place to be. . . .
On another note, I love Britain. It has it’s bad points, but from where I live (Gods very own back garden - Yorkshire), I can be in the most beautiful places the world can see in just a matter of hours.
Reubs766:
We need more people like this defending out right to be English. He is a true patriot (apparently) and is obviously educated enough to know that Britain is obviously the best place. . . .On another note, I love Britain. It has it’s bad points, but from where I live (Gods very own back garden - Yorkshire), I can be in the most beautiful places the world can see in just a matter of hours.
Blimey I could have made a more coherent argument after 8 pints of Youngs special or Fullers ESB and they’ve got twice as much alcohol in them as Yorkshire Bitter. 
Carryfast:
I’ve said plenty of controversial things about the Royal family on here without MI5 having arrested anyone.
Ever considered possibility, that simply nobody cares what you say?
Most of the problems we’ve got here concerning free speech are mostly in regard to the political issues of the country’s immigration policy and political correctness in general.
yeah, that’s paneuropean problem I guess. Political corectness starts to go mad in Poland as well now… But nobody jails anyone for saying something yet.
Hell is this post still live?
I have been away a few days abusing the British NHS. What a wonderful institution for all its perceived faults!