fatboystu1:
Like the OP i also work for the big brown machine. However the company is split into different sections and each has their own contract with differing t’s & c’s.
Barking Line Haul v Feeders for example ?. 
We have to stand the first 3 days after that it’s 13 week full,13 week half pay as long as sick notes are provided.
As robroy pointed out with unions,it makes a difference having one to fight your corner…
Yorkielad:
We have to stand the first 3 days after that it’s 13 week full,13 week half pay as long as sick notes are provided.
As robroy pointed out with unions,it makes a difference having one to fight your corner…
That’s a good system, stops the usual suspects who have a mardy, don’t like their run, had something more important to do 
etc etc, cos that day or week off all of a sudden isn’t paying as well.
Paying from the first day doesn’t work, the lead swingers can’t help themselves take the ■■■■.
Hitting people in the pocket always works.
maga:
too many people kicking the arse out of it. Every industry will be going to the same way if its any consolation.My place pay full sick for up to 2 years but they’re itching to get rid of it as its costing them £500k+ a day!!! they’ve even brought in a scheme to try and get the idiots in where if the site attendance doesn’t drop below 97% for 3 months anyone with 100% attendance is put into a draw to win a car
Are you sure it is 500K a day, I can’t see a company paying out over 182 million a year.
TDL102:
maga:
too many people kicking the arse out of it. Every industry will be going to the same way if its any consolation.My place pay full sick for up to 2 years but they’re itching to get rid of it as its costing them £500k+ a day!!! they’ve even brought in a scheme to try and get the idiots in where if the site attendance doesn’t drop below 97% for 3 months anyone with 100% attendance is put into a draw to win a car
Are you sure it is 500K a day, I can’t see a company paying out over 182 million a year.
I work in a car plant and the figure isn’t just based on sick pay alone and includes a lot of hypotheticals. They take into consideration if the guy covering isn’t familiar with the job there will be more rework on the car once it comes off the end of the line which costs extra money, amongst other calculations way above my pay grade 
A few years ago when a guy that fitted a warning label just for the Chinese market was off, the guy covering missed every one by mistake and China sent the whole lot back at the port, which I imagine cost a fortune in shipping and rework.
That 500k figure is across all UK plants which struggle with attendance not just the one i work at so I think its quite believable tbh.
When I worked for Sunblest in the 80s by a strange twist if I had a couple of days off in a month I seemed to be better off by about £15 .
Rank film labs had a strong union and you could be off for up to 26 weeks on full pay , long serving staff could get up to 10 weeks holiday per year . Two week shut down at Christmas.
So in theory you only needed to work 14 weeks of the year to maintain full pay .
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grumpyken52:
When I worked for Sunblest in the 80s by a strange twist if I had a couple of days off in a month I seemed to be better off by about £15 .
Rank film labs had a strong union and you could be off for up to 26 weeks on full pay , long serving staff could get up to 10 weeks holiday per year . Two week shut down at Christmas.
So in theory you only needed to work 14 weeks of the year to maintain full pay .Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
Don’t forget that you save money on two days worth of commuting as well, which these days is easily worth £15 for most people, all by itself…
If you’re on less than 100% sick pay, and you “drop some top line” along the way, - it might be the case that you drop into a lower tax threshold, and just keep more of slightly less gross pay as a result?
I worked along side a bloke here in Oz that flatly refused to work overtime. He was on more or less regular sickies. He had a wife and seven kids (wonder why he had a dodgy back) and said that if he worked o/t he went to the next tax bracket and also lost some of his payments/rent assistance. I lost patience with him one day and told him he was an ■■■■■■■■… who ended up in the office being told I couldn’t say things like that?
at DHL,after 5 years service,its 16 weeks full pay,16 weeks half pay.after 10 years it’s 6 months full pay,6 months half pay…after the first 3 days of course.
my mate was on Royal Mail trunking…just been pentioned off after a stroke,but i think it’s full pay for 12 months there,and paid for the first 3 days.
maga:
TDL102:
maga:
too many people kicking the arse out of it. Every industry will be going to the same way if its any consolation.My place pay full sick for up to 2 years but they’re itching to get rid of it as its costing them £500k+ a day!!! they’ve even brought in a scheme to try and get the idiots in where if the site attendance doesn’t drop below 97% for 3 months anyone with 100% attendance is put into a draw to win a car [emoji38]
Are you sure it is 500K a day, I can’t see a company paying out over 182 million a year.
I work in a car plant and the figure isn’t just based on sick pay alone and includes a lot of hypotheticals. They take into consideration if the guy covering isn’t familiar with the job there will be more rework on the car once it comes off the end of the line which costs extra money, amongst other calculations way above my pay grade [emoji38]
A few years ago when a guy that fitted a warning label just for the Chinese market was off, the guy covering missed every one by mistake and China sent the whole lot back at the port, which I imagine cost a fortune in shipping and rework.
That 500k figure is across all UK plants which struggle with attendance not just the one i work at so I think its quite believable tbh.
Hypotheticals?
Maybe an agency bod brought in to replace ill worker would start a fire and burn down the factory?
Maybe that should be taken into account?
You’re correct (I reckon) that there is more cost to replacing a worker than just wages, but it is as easy to over estimate, as to under estimate.
carryfast-yeti:
at DHL,after 5 years service,its 16 weeks full pay,16 weeks half pay.after 10 years it’s 6 months full pay,6 months half pay…after the first 3 days of course.
my mate was on Royal Mail trunking…just been pentioned off after a stroke,but i think it’s full pay for 12 months there,and paid for the first 3 days.
In the real world you’ll be sacked on medical grounds long before 12 months sickness and/or without a reasonable and clear fit to return to work date provided by the company’s own medical advisors.People seem to under estimate how simple it is for employers to terminate employment on medical grounds.To the point where company sick pay is an irrelevance.
Carryfast:
carryfast-yeti:
at DHL,after 5 years service,its 16 weeks full pay,16 weeks half pay.after 10 years it’s 6 months full pay,6 months half pay…after the first 3 days of course.
my mate was on Royal Mail trunking…just been pentioned off after a stroke,but i think it’s full pay for 12 months there,and paid for the first 3 days.In the real world you’ll be sacked on medical grounds long before 12 months sickness and/or without a reasonable and clear fit to return to work date provided by the company’s own medical advisors.People seem to under estimate how simple it is for employers to terminate employment on medical grounds.To the point where company sick pay is an irrelevance.
Again it’s dependant on where you work, we get 6 months full pay 6 months half, but we have guys who’ve been off 18 months and the company is giving them money to terminate their contracts, not sacking them on medical grounds.
ClassOneHD:
Again it’s dependant on where you work, we get 6 months full pay 6 months half, but we have guys who’ve been off 18 months and the company is giving them money to terminate their contracts, not sacking them on medical grounds.
That’s a strange type of solution which could actually put the employee in a very difficult situation.IE a type of voluntary redundancy not sick especially if they’ve got an income protection policy.Also might even affect any right to claim UC/ESA.
Just another example of the double edged sword which big company sick pay benefits creates.Personally I think it’s more of a liability to the employee than an asset.At least without some serious toughening up of employment law regarding termination of employment on medical grounds,including the above loophole,and a facility whereby long term sick pay can be turned into a type of pension payout for those declared unfit to ever return to work.
albion:
We pretty much ticked the good employer box in every regard but sick pay, we only paid SSP. As an employee I’d seen too many people abuse it, so didnt go down that line.If you were I injured abroad then we had an insurance scheme which paid the company, but we gave it to the drivers which IIRC covered around 80% of wages.
When I was working I had a sick pay policy that paid from day 1 with Cirencester Friendly Soc. Dont know it it’s still available.
Same, with Cirencester. Although currently off for the last month, medical certs everything and there still processing it!!
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