Hi Guys
Just want to keep myself right. I drive bin motors, most of them are tacho exempt as we are on domestic collections but the odd time I do a commercial run, so…
When I am on a domestic run, do I need to put my tacho card or disk in, and if so what happened when it comes to 4.30 driving time?
When I am running commercial, how much times do I need to take a printout and at what stages of the day, and how long do these print outs need to be kept for?
Sam.
Sam Millar:
Hi GuysJust want to keep myself right. I drive bin motors, most of them are tacho exempt as we are on domestic collections but the odd time I do a commercial run, so…
When I am on a domestic run, do I need to put my tacho card or disk in, and if so what happened when it comes to 4.30 driving time?
When I am running commercial, how much times do I need to take a printout and at what stages of the day, and how long do these print outs need to be kept for?
Sam.
Presumably you don’t do the door to door rubbish collections and the commercial work on the same day ?
If you’re using a log book when you’re on the bin wagons I wouldn’t bother putting the driver card in but if you do want to put the card in then put it on out of scope, there’s no need to worry about the 4.5 hours driving limit as long as the tachograph is on out of scope.
Sorry I don’t know what you mean about the printouts, you only need to do printouts if you need to write a manual entry on it for any reason, for instance if you got held up in traffic and was unable to have a break before running out of driving time.
Under normal circumstances you never need to do printouts unless the company ask you to.
tachograph:
Sam Millar:
Hi GuysJust want to keep myself right. I drive bin motors, most of them are tacho exempt as we are on domestic collections but the odd time I do a commercial run, so…
When I am on a domestic run, do I need to put my tacho card or disk in, and if so what happened when it comes to 4.30 driving time?
When I am running commercial, how much times do I need to take a printout and at what stages of the day, and how long do these print outs need to be kept for?
Sam.
Presumably you don’t do the door to door rubbish collections and the commercial work on the same day ?
If you’re using a log book when you’re on the bin wagons I wouldn’t bother putting the driver card in but if you do want to put the card in then put it on out of scope, there’s no need to worry about the 4.5 hours driving limit as long as the tachograph is on out of scope.
Sorry I don’t know what you mean about the printouts, you only need to do printouts if you need to write a manual entry on it for any reason, for instance if you got held up in traffic and was unable to have a break before running out of driving time.
Under normal circumstances you never need to do printouts unless the company ask you to.
We don’t use a logbook. Believe me, if VOSA were to go in that yard they’d all be shot, every last one of them. 
But that’s another story, I’m only there on agency and as a new driver I want to keep myself right never mind everyone else.
Basically, I’ve been putting my card in and running on commercial rules even doing domestic driving, it doesn’t hurt and I rarely exceed 4:30 driving time daily. We don’t do commercial and domestic on the same day. Also, what do you mean by, ‘on out of scope’ ?
Thanks for the reply.
Sam Millar:
what do you mean by, ‘on out of scope’ ?
“Out of scope” means out of scope of EU regulations in other words it’s a way of telling the tachograph to record on your driver card that you were not driving to EU regulations and therefore don’t need to comply with the EU regulations.
On a Siemens digital tachograph whilst the vehicle is stationary and the tachograph showing the standard display press the “OK” button then scroll down until you see “Entry Vehicle” then press “OK”, the first option will be “OUT begin” (means begin out of scope) press “OK” and you are now out of scope, when you’ve finished press “OK” and scroll down to “Entry vehicle” then press “OK” and the first option will be “OUT end” (meaning end out of scope), job done 
Practice here
tachograph:
Sam Millar:
what do you mean by, ‘on out of scope’ ?“Out of scope” means out of scope of EU regulations in other words it’s a way of telling the tachograph to record on your driver card that you were not driving to EU regulations and therefore don’t need to comply with the EU regulations.
On a Siemens digital tachograph whilst the vehicle is stationary and the tachograph showing the standard display press the “OK” button then scroll down until you see “Entry Vehicle” then press “OK”, the first option will be “OUT begin” (means begin out of scope) press “OK” and you are now out of scope, when you’ve finished press “OK” and scroll down to “Entry vehicle” then press “OK” and the first option will be “OUT end” (meaning end out of scope), job done
Practice here
So basically if I’m on domestic, just record 10 mins other work at start of shift for walk around, then set it to out of scope and thats my ■■■ covered for the day providing it’s domestic?
That’s about right.
I haven’t used out of scope for a very long time and have never used it for a whole shift, but as far as I can remember it stays on out of scope until you put it back in scope, I suggest you do a printout after a few hours and after you’ve turned the ignition off and back on again to check that you’re still recording out of scope.
tachograph:
That’s about right.I haven’t used out of scope for a very long time and have never used it for a whole shift, but as far as I can remember it stays on out of scope until you put it back in scope, I suggest you do a printout after a few hours and after you’ve turned the ignition off and back on again to check that you’re still recording out of scope.
Excellent thanks for your help. 
Sam Millar:
tachograph:
That’s about right.I haven’t used out of scope for a very long time and have never used it for a whole shift, but as far as I can remember it stays on out of scope until you put it back in scope, I suggest you do a printout after a few hours and after you’ve turned the ignition off and back on again to check that you’re still recording out of scope.
Excellent thanks for your help.
You’re welcome
Armed in my new found knowledge from the forums about Out Of Scope, I’ve been given an analogue motor for the next two weeks (rageee!) so is there any way to set that you’re out of scope on one of these machines? It’s actually a unit that has been fitted and it begins with a K.
Sam Millar:
Armed in my new found knowledge from the forums about Out Of Scope, I’ve been given an analogue motor for the next two weeks (rageee!) so is there any way to set that you’re out of scope on one of these machines? It’s actually a unit that has been fitted and it begins with a K.
No, to keep your records straight and so you can remember which charts are for the domestic work and which are for the EU work you could write on the back of the chart “Domestic Bin Collection/Domestic Rules” or something of that nature when you’re on the domestic bins.
If you write on the back of the chart use a felt tipped pen or be careful that the writing pressure doesn’t make an embossed effect on the front of the chart.
Me again 
So today I was back in a digi motor and I set my tacho to out of scope when it was time to do the domestic run. So when my 4:15 approached I got a warning through the dash, and then the same again at 4:30 however, obviously I ignored this as the tacho was set on out of scope and domestic rules state you can drive for 9 hours or so without a break.
Was I right to do this or am I in trouble now if caught?
Do a printout as I suggested and as long as it’s recorded the shift as “out of scope” you’re fine.
Having said that if you stop for a break put the tacho on break, it will keep your working time down