I know many of you are anti smoking but i went to my local supermarket today for some bakki. 32 pounds was just under 25 that’s over a 25% increase apparently the labors favorite Tory has decided that there should be a 10% above rpi increase on cigarettes and a further 12% on hand rolling tobacco. Meanwhile the tax on alcohol has in the majority of cases either stayed the same or gone down. All this in the name of how much it costs the nhs etc all down to some twerps that moan about smoking while going home after a jolly good moan and downing a couple of bottles of merlot.
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion. However it costs the nhs 3.5billion to treat alcohol related illnesses and 21 billion in societal costs.
cooper1203:
I know many of you are anti smoking but i went to my local supermarket today for some bakki. 32 pounds was just under 25 that’s over a 25% increase apparently the labors favorite Tory has decided that there should be a 10% above rpi increase on cigarettes and a further 12% on hand rolling tobacco. Meanwhile the tax on alcohol has in the majority of cases either stayed the same or gone down. All this in the name of how much it costs the nhs etc all down to some twerps that moan about smoking while going home after a jolly good moan and downing a couple of bottles of merlot.
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion. However it costs the nhs 3.5billion to treat alcohol related illnesses and 21 billion in societal costs.
What does “labors favorite Tory” mean, I wonder…
Anyway, the ONS reckons that 6.4m people in the UK were smokers last year.
Alcohol change reckoned (2018) nearly 30 m drank the week previous to a survey.
So, there are about 5 times more drinkers than smokers.
An average smoker costs the country more than an average drinker. (very roughly 3 time more)
cooper1203:
I know many of you are anti smoking but i went to my local supermarket today for some bakki. 32 pounds was just under 25 that’s over a 25% increase apparently the labors favorite Tory has decided that there should be a 10% above rpi increase on cigarettes and a further 12% on hand rolling tobacco. Meanwhile the tax on alcohol has in the majority of cases either stayed the same or gone down. All this in the name of how much it costs the nhs etc all down to some twerps that moan about smoking while going home after a jolly good moan and downing a couple of bottles of merlot.
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion. However it costs the nhs 3.5billion to treat alcohol related illnesses and 21 billion in societal costs.
What does “labors favorite Tory” mean, I wonder…
Anyway, the ONS reckons that 6.4m people in the UK were smokers last year.
Alcohol change reckoned (2018) nearly 30 m drank the week previous to a survey.
So, there are about 5 times more drinkers than smokers.
An average smoker costs the country more than an average drinker. (very roughly 3 time more)
labors favorite Tory = Labours favourite tory ie Jeremy Hunt
That old chestnut doesn’t wash with me. How many times have you heard someone was killed in a car crash because the driver had previously had a cigarette? Go to any a and e in the country on the weekend and how many people are there for alcohol related issues?
Before anyone says it im not talking about sensible people which is the majority of people.
cooper1203:
I know many of you are anti smoking but i went to my local supermarket today for some bakki. 32 pounds was just under 25 that’s over a 25% increase apparently the labors favorite Tory has decided that there should be a 10% above rpi increase on cigarettes and a further 12% on hand rolling tobacco. Meanwhile the tax on alcohol has in the majority of cases either stayed the same or gone down. All this in the name of how much it costs the nhs etc all down to some twerps that moan about smoking while going home after a jolly good moan and downing a couple of bottles of merlot.
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion. However it costs the nhs 3.5billion to treat alcohol related illnesses and 21 billion in societal costs.
What does “labors favorite Tory” mean, I wonder…
Anyway, the ONS reckons that 6.4m people in the UK were smokers last year.
Alcohol change reckoned (2018) nearly 30 m drank the week previous to a survey.
So, there are about 5 times more drinkers than smokers.
An average smoker costs the country more than an average drinker. (very roughly 3 time more)
labors favorite Tory = Labours favourite tory ie Jeremy Hunt
That old chestnut doesn’t wash with me. How many times have you heard someone was killed in a car crash because the driver had previously had a cigarette? Go to any a and e in the country on the weekend and how many people are there for alcohol related issues?
Before anyone says it im not talking about sensible people which is the majority of people.
Who on earth says that Labour likes Hunt?
Has Rachel Reeves praised his budget? Has Starmer said much about him?
It is true that drink drivers may kill others whereas excessive smokers kill themselves rather than innocent strangers.
But you didn`t say anything at all about that, did you? You were arguing about NHS and other costs associated with the use of these two drugs.
I have shown that the average smoker costs the NHS and society more than the average drinker.
Since many more drink rather than smoke it is obvious there will be more in drinkers rather than smokers in hospital.
And drinkers may well be in A & E, but the long time smokers will be in out-patient or chronic long term treatment.
Dont compare apples and oranges, and dont compare the colour of one fruit with the smell of another!
And for clarity: smoking and drinking are both potentially harmful drugs that cost us all money. I am not defending either. I am saying your first post was misleading.
the point i guess i failed to make was the person that is injured by a drink driver and survives costs the nhs money in treating his injuries.
Years ago i came back from Spain on a family holiday through Andorra probably about 1996. i forget the prices now but the difference in cigarettes there and here meant you could pay for a top notch private health insurance with the difference and have money left over. Im not naive enough to think people would do this but i have long since said if it cost the country (nhs local councils etc) so much money then cut the tax on tobacco in return you have to use the money to pay for private insurance and if you get a smoking related disease then go use your insurance no free treatment. Like they do with major sporting events if you want to risk injury by sailing round the world or strapping a couple of planks to your feet and sliding down a mountain you have to have the insurance for it.
cooper1203:
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion.
[5] HMRC. National statistics: Tobacco Bulletin. November 2021
Smokers paid £10 bn in tax.
Seems pretty clear to me that smokers cost more than they pay in tax.
cooper1203:
if you get a smoking related disease then go use your insurance no free treatment.
Try looking at what private health insurance companies really offer and exclude in the real world. Chronic disease is often time limited. Get ill. Stop work and soon ypull be back on the NHS. Private insurance does have a place (unfortunately) but you wont get a life long policy, for the money you pay on tobacco.
cooper1203:
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion.
[5] HMRC. National statistics: Tobacco Bulletin. November 2021
Smokers paid £10 bn in tax.
Seems pretty clear to me that smokers cost more than they pay in tax.
cooper1203:
if you get a smoking related disease then go use your insurance no free treatment.
Try looking at what private health insurance companies really offer and exclude in the real world. Chronic disease is often time limited. Get ill. Stop work and soon ypull be back on the NHS. Private insurance does have a place (unfortunately) but you wont get a life long policy, for the money you pay on tobacco.
i have looked at private insurance and the only real stipulation i have is i cant claim for a back injury in s4 - s5 for the next two years. the monthly cost of the policy is a lot less than the increase in tobacco price never mind what the tax on it before was.
cooper1203:
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion.
[5] HMRC. National statistics: Tobacco Bulletin. November 2021
Smokers paid £10 bn in tax.
Seems pretty clear to me that smokers cost more than they pay in tax.
cooper1203:
if you get a smoking related disease then go use your insurance no free treatment.
Try looking at what private health insurance companies really offer and exclude in the real world. Chronic disease is often time limited. Get ill. Stop work and soon ypull be back on the NHS. Private insurance does have a place (unfortunately) but you wont get a life long policy, for the money you pay on tobacco.
i have looked at private insurance and the only real stipulation i have is i cant claim for a back injury in s4 - s5 for the next two years
by your calculation of 2023 costs using 2021 revenue the drinkers should of paid 30bn then to bad they only paid 12.106 million
Where in that post did I mention anything at all about alcohol?
Have I said anything, anywhere, other than that alcohol is anything other than a damaging drug?
I did refute your claim that tobacco taxes pay for more than the damage they cause and cost us all.
Private insurance comes in many different forms, with many differing levels of care. I dont know what you have/havent been quoted, but lots of insurance policies are there to guarantee your mortgage payments or provide income for your family, they are not there to pay for treatment.
They often cover acute treatment but not chronic treatment. (They will pay for a broken leg that is fixed after a few months, they won`t pay for years of cancer treatment) cancerresearchuk.org/about- … -insurance bupa.co.uk/health/health-in … er-promise macmillan.org.uk/cancer-inf … and-cancer
It is complicated.
The initial diagnosis of cancer in the UK seems to be a bit slow, but the treatment and expertise of the staff is good.
Diagnosing and treatment on the nhs for cancer is and always has been pot luck. If your lucky enough to get diagnosed in time that they can do something your stuck with your local hospital. All this 2 week pathway doesn’t mean anything its just a guide line. I know there is patients choice for doctors and hospitals but by the time you get that far your too ill to travel.
My mother is lucky She has friends in the right places that know who to shout at but being in rural wales if they hadn’t of sorted her a bed she she would of had to travel 2.5 hours each way for her radio therapy. Now she has incontinence and diarrhea because of the meds she is on… their solution go buy Imodium from the pharmacy and drink plenty. She cant get home help from the local council because no one covers her area. McMillan said well you haven’t been hospitalized so you don’t count. However a friend of hers was hospitalized and McMillan said well your in hospital you don’t need any help.
cooper1203:
Thing is apparently it costs the nhs 2.5 billion to treat smokers and societal cost of 14.8 billion.
[5] HMRC. National statistics: Tobacco Bulletin. November 2021
Smokers paid £10 bn in tax.
Seems pretty clear to me that smokers cost more than they pay in tax.
cooper1203:
if you get a smoking related disease then go use your insurance no free treatment.
Try looking at what private health insurance companies really offer and exclude in the real world. Chronic disease is often time limited. Get ill. Stop work and soon ypull be back on the NHS. Private insurance does have a place (unfortunately) but you wont get a life long policy, for the money you pay on tobacco.
i have looked at private insurance and the only real stipulation i have is i cant claim for a back injury in s4 - s5 for the next two years
by your calculation of 2023 costs using 2021 revenue the drinkers should of paid 30bn then to bad they only paid 12.106 million
Where in that post did I mention anything at all about alcohol?
Have I said anything, anywhere, other than that alcohol is anything other than a damaging drug?
I did refute your claim that tobacco taxes pay for more than the damage they cause and cost us all.
Private insurance comes in many different forms, with many differing levels of care. I dont know what you have/havent been quoted, but lots of insurance policies are there to guarantee your mortgage payments or provide income for your family, they are not there to pay for treatment.
They often cover acute treatment but not chronic treatment. (They will pay for a broken leg that is fixed after a few months, they won`t pay for years of cancer treatment) cancerresearchuk.org/about- … -insurance bupa.co.uk/health/health-in … er-promise macmillan.org.uk/cancer-inf … and-cancer
It is complicated.
The initial diagnosis of cancer in the UK seems to be a bit slow, but the treatment and expertise of the staff is good.
my claim was that if it is true they upped the tax on tobacco because of the cost why lower it on alcohol.
Its plain as a pike staff why they have done it for 2 very simple reasons.
All the people in the bars will be happy that their pint or glass of what ever is cheaper and will think this gov isn’t too bad after all.
They don’t want the cost of drinks at their orgies to go up.
As to your comment on the health insurance im giving it a strong coat of thinking about. After my experiences in the last 8 months and the amount of money i have had to pay out to get seen in a reasonable time frame and all the stupid suggestions i had from various bodies one of which was that i should rip out the current bathroom and put a disabled shower in and then when i was better put the old one back.
cooper1203:
Its plain as a pike staff why they have done it for 2 very simple reasons.
All the people in the bars will be happy that their pint or glass of what ever is cheaper and will think this gov isn’t too bad after all.
They don’t want the cost of drinks at their orgies to go up.
Nice to agree about some things!
Yes, Hunt is trying to buy friends by keeping booze price low, and he doesn`t give a toss about cutting the needs for the NHS, nor does he want extar money to go to the NHS. He and his buddies want a worse NHS so we more and more feel private insurance is necessary.
I wonder who stands to profit from private insurance■■?
I ain’t anti smoking as such, I’m just anti smoking, and get ■■■■ annoyed big style, if people smoke (or try to) in my house, truck or car.
Nothing more annoying when somebody starts to light up as a formality. saying ‘Do you mind if I smoke’’ expecting me to say ‘No’, and look at me in a funny way when I say ‘Yes I do actually’'.
A lot of my mates smoke, which is fine by me, if I’m in their company or their houses, it doesn’t really bother me as such…live and let live.
It used to ■■■■ me off in pubs,.but I accepted it at the time,although not if I was trying to eat.
I remember a VERY heated argument one day, when this ignorant prick kept blowing smoke towards my little girl one day when she was trying to eat in a cafe.
If you want to go down the smoking v drinking thing (although I can’t think why ) me having a few pints in your company ain’t going to harm you, where as you smoking in front of me can harm me.
My Auntie who has never smoked in her life worked in a smoke filled office all through the 70s, she got lung cancer in later life, blamed by her doctor (although cant be proven tbf) on the effects of passive smoking.
So short of me getting ■■■■■■■ and aggressive and knocking 7 bells out of you, or driving my car and killing you, comparing smoking to drinking to justify it in some way is like comparing apples to oranges…an irrelevant argument.
cooper1203:
Its plain as a pike staff why they have done it for 2 very simple reasons.
All the people in the bars will be happy that their pint or glass of what ever is cheaper and will think this gov isn’t too bad after all.
They don’t want the cost of drinks at their orgies to go up.
Nice to agree about some things!
Yes, Hunt is trying to buy friends by keeping booze price low, and he doesn`t give a toss about cutting the needs for the NHS, nor does he want extar money to go to the NHS. He and his buddies want a worse NHS so we more and more feel private insurance is necessary.
I wonder who stands to profit from private insurance■■?
Bloody hell Frangers,even I agree with you on that.
Thats the thing rob i wouldn’t come to your home and light up. The most i would do is say would you mind if i went out for a smoke. I have known my best bud years and when i am around his house i still ask and i have known him 30 years. If we were sitting outside in a pub garden i would get up and move away to have a smoke. Like wise if you came to visit me i would more than likely get beers in for you (if i knew what you drank). However i wouldn’t expect you to get blotto and start falling around the place and vomiting everywhere.
The point i was trying to make was the excuse that the taxes were increased on tobacco due to health and social costs is a fallacy as they weren’t increased on alcohol
cooper1203:
Thats the thing rob i wouldn’t come to your home and light up. The most i would do is say would you mind if i went out for a smoke. I have known my best bud years and when i am around his house i still ask and i have known him 30 years. If we were sitting outside in a pub garden i would get up and move away to have a smoke. Like wise if you came to visit me i would more than likely get beers in for you (if i knew what you drank). However i wouldn’t expect you to get blotto and start falling around the place and vomiting everywhere.
The point i was trying to make was the excuse that the taxes were increased on tobacco due to health and social costs is a fallacy as they weren’t increased on alcohol
Yep I get it, in other words you are blessed with good manners.
Also the mates of mine who smoke also have good manners in those circumstances, but many smokers are pig ignorant and do not give a ■■■■.
Like the prick I mentioned…it was years ago ffs, so it shows how much he annoyed me,.every time I remember it.
Making my little girl cough while she was eating ffs, and sniggrring when I tackled him about it
It was only the plain fact that she was there, that stopped me from putting him through the window, and ONLY because it would have distressed her, and nothing to do with hurting him.
I should let it go, but I tend to judge every smoker by him since,.until they prove different.
Anyhoo I digress…
Your point about health issues concerning smoking and drinking as a comparison, way I see it is drinking in moderation is fairly safe in health terms to the drinker and people around him, where as smoking in moderation, or any type of smoking is not.
If they want to harm their health crack on,.just dont involve me.
I ain’t a doctor,.I’m a trucker, but that is the way I see it.
) me having a few pints in your company ain’t going to harm you, where as you smoking in front of me can harm me.
