right so you just turn up at Calais with a container full of random people, with no passports, documents or any legal right to be in france. and the French customs, representatives of the French state on French soil, just let you drive straight past. you just drop them off somewhere near Lyon and go back for a reload do you?
come on. that’s not how things work. any soverign country has the right to refuse any non citizen entry, for any reason they feel like
if it was that easy then maybe france should do the same. round up them from the jungle, put them on a bus and send them to England. what would you say to that?
chrisdalott:
right so you just turn up at Calais with a container full of random people, with no passports, documents or any legal right to be in france. and the French customs, representatives of the French state on French soil, just let you drive straight past. you just drop them off somewhere near Lyon and go back for a reload do you?
come on. that’s not how things work. any soverign country has the right to refuse any non citizen entry, for any reason they feel like
if it was that easy then maybe france should do the same. round up them from the jungle, put them on a bus and send them to England. what would you say to that?
In which case why is it that we have any less right to refuse anyone entry than France has.
It’s clear that France is already allowing them into France to appease its Socialist agenda then actually trying to get them to us to avoid upsetting its anti immigration one.The fact is if they are claiming asylum and it’s shown that they arrived here from France then it’s France’s problem not ours.France shouldn’t have allowed them into France the first place.Although it’s a red herring anyway if we deport them to place of origin.IE refugees and asylum seekers don’t need to cross Europe or even leave Africa or Asia to find somewhere safe.Let alone when the so called ‘refugees’ in question aren’t ‘refugees’ at all but more like a hostile invading force.
we are refusing them entry. its our right to do so
Santa:
Let’s imagine what could happen: The UK Border force, augmented by some of those currently under employed soldiers, and with a few RN gunboats patrolling, could stop and search every truck and every train and winkle out the illegals.
What then? If we tried to send them back to France, the French would refuse to take them. We can’t send them anywhere else for the same reason. So we open up a huge refugee camp in Kent.
That’s basically how I see it, and don’t really see a solution where they set a single foot on UK soil. And I can’t see the French allowing us to do all the weeding out on French soil, as that doesn’t suit their motives…
I think the only long term solution is to line up all the bleeding heart socialists on the white cliffs of Dover and machine gun the lot on video to show the migrants that the UK is not a soft touch or the life of milk and honey! 
Soundbite crap from a politician who doesn’t know as much as he thinks he does.
The French have a border control in this country, right after the UK exit checks at St Pancras Eurostar station. If he got his way, that would have to go to, assuming he even knows it is there.
Well hopefully it won’t be a UK problem anymore and you will all be able to discuss/moan about other subjects. 
The “illegals” are being processed as of this morning, they are being allocated different refuges all over France, so far 60 coaches have been laid on to take them to these places, to the distaste of the residents of many of these towns (one centre, an old office building, has been torched), listening to these French people, they are worried, some even scared, of the unknown that is coming their way, they are worried for their children, one centre is right by a school, many of these have arrived already. There, they will then be processed again by the authorities, they will not be allowed any benefits, they will be fed and lodged, not allowed to work and hopefully be repatriated to where they come from.
I’ve been watching live broadcasts on French TV during the day, the queues to the processing/allocation centre have been very long (6-8000 immigrants are thought to be residing there) and there has been no trouble so far, all this is being done prior to the Jungle being demolished.
One comment I must state, I have to agree with a lot of what has been said by posters on here, looking at the videos that have been broadcasted of the days events(not a lot gets hidden on French tv media) , I have not spotted many woman, some elderly, but 90 % have got to be in the 20 - 40 age group. The news states that the majority are from Eritrea, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan and of course Syria. They are not all fleeing a conflict, they are going to the UK because they are under the impression that it is the land of milk and honey and maybe in certain cases it is. France didn’t want these people, but they have arrived in Calais to cross the channel to get to this place that they think will be their Utopia, if the two countries had been attached (no channel) ■■? who knows how many would have got in to England !!
pierrot 14:
Well hopefully it won’t be a UK problem anymore and you will all be able to discuss/moan about other subjects.
The “illegals” are being processed as of this morning, they are being allocated different refuges all over France, so far 60 coaches have been laid on to take them to these places, to the distaste of the residents of many of these towns (one centre, an old office building, has been torched), listening to these French people, they are worried, some even scared, of the unknown that is coming their way, they are worried for their children, one centre is right by a school, many of these have arrived already. There, they will then be processed again by the authorities, they will not be allowed any benefits, they will be fed and lodged, not allowed to work and hopefully be repatriated to where they come from.
I’ve been watching live broadcasts on French TV during the day, the queues to the processing/allocation centre have been very long (6-8000 immigrants are thought to be residing there) and there has been no trouble so far, all this is being done prior to the Jungle being demolished.
One comment I must state, I have to agree with a lot of what has been said by posters on here, looking at the videos that have been broadcasted of the days events(not a lot gets hidden on French tv media) , I have not spotted many woman, some elderly, but 90 % have got to be in the 20 - 40 age group. The news states that the majority are from Eritrea, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan and of course Syria. They are not all fleeing a conflict, they are going to the UK because they are under the impression that it is the land of milk and honey and maybe in certain cases it is. France didn’t want these people, but they have arrived in Calais to cross the channel to get to this place that they think will be their Utopia, if the two countries had been attached (no channel) ■■? who knows how many would have got in to England !!
The point is where we’d be if the two countries were to be united in following Le Pen’s and Farage’s ideas on immigration policy.Not that of Hollande and Merkel and the cheap labour/bleeding heart agenda here at home.Bearing in mind that it’s clear that it’s the former not the latter that the sensible majority in both countries want.Meanwhile a tougher French attitude towards the immigrants,combined with May’s even softer one,will obviously just increase the problems faced by the two countries.Of France being used as transit camp for those flooding to soft touch uk.With May at worse either helping them in directly.Or at best pretending to keep them out by saying if you can get here you can stay and receive the full range of benefits provided for ‘refugees’ regardless of their actual status,or the fact that there is no reason for anyone looking for so called ‘safety’ to leave Africa or Asia anyway.On that note if the French are serious about dealing with the problem the repatriation word shouldn’t be a hope it should be a certainty.
Carryfast, this hasn’t just happened in the last few years, Merkel, May, Hollande, Cameron ■■? It’s been going on for a lot longer than their reign !!! In the past, the 90’s it was a lot less people trying to get to the UK but that was the start, Sangatte was their holiday home/transit centre, THAT is when it should have been sorted, but you had the humanitarians pushing towards these people being accepted into the UK and a lot were. That was the start of the situation that we now have, those that got to the UK and managed to stay (and some of them were nasty types Somallians etc that settled in SE London, creating a gang land drug warfare) got themselves settled in and it was their base of information that filtered out to others that wanted to come to England. Their knowledge filtered through to wannaby immigrants , how to get into the UK, the pitfalls, how to get onto a lorry, where to hang out and hide and it snowballed.
But hopefully , for England, it is no longer your problem
pierrot 14:
Carryfast, this hasn’t just happened in the last few years, Merkel, May, Hollande, Cameron ■■? It’s been going on for a lot longer than their reign !!! In the past, the 90’s it was a lot less people trying to get to the UK but that was the start, Sangatte was their holiday home/transit centre, THAT is when it should have been sorted, but you had the humanitarians pushing towards these people being accepted into the UK and a lot were. That was the start of the situation that we now have, those that got to the UK and managed to stay (and some of them were nasty types Somallians etc that settled in SE London, creating a gang land drug warfare) got themselves settled in and it was their base of information that filtered out to others that wanted to come to England. Their knowledge filtered through to wannaby immigrants , how to get into the UK, the pitfalls, how to get onto a lorry, where to hang out and hide and it snowballed.
But hopefully , for England, it is no longer your problem
I’d agree that it’s the soft touch Brit contradictory pretence of not wanting to allow them in while at the same time offering them the earth if they can make it,that has mostly caused the problems in Calais.But having said that France’s own Socialist orientated immigration policy hasn’t helped.All the rest of the sensible majority can do now is wait and hope that Hollande and Merkel have finally lost control of the agenda and we’re now going to see mass deportations of these immigrants to their place of origin,by the French,big time. 
If you think that there will be ‘mass deportations’ of immigrants from anywhere in Europe you are even more detached from any kind of reality than I thought, which is saying a lot.
Olog Hai:
If you think that there will be ‘mass deportations’ of immigrants from anywhere in Europe you are even more detached from any kind of reality than I thought, which is saying a lot.
Instead of having a go at me maybe you could qualify your statement with some reasoning as to at least why there ‘shouldn’t’ be such deportation of those trying to get in here from France.Bearing in mind there’s no middle way on this we either send them back or we let them in.Delusion doesn’t get much more deluded than the bleeding heart pro immigration zb wits who support the latter as the more we let in obviously the more will be attracted.
pierrot 14:
Olog Hai:
If you think that there will be ‘mass deportations’ of immigrants from anywhere in Europe you are even more detached from any kind of reality than I thought, which is saying a lot.
Let’s just wait and see
+1
Presidential elections approaching and the Socialists have a good chance of being toast if they don’t take the hard line ground from the FN and even then there’s no guarantee of them winning. 
Carryfast:
Instead of having a go at me maybe you could qualify your statement with some reasoning as to at least why there ‘shouldn’t’ be such deportation of those trying to get in here from France.
See, this is another of your problems. You don’t read what is written. I didn’t say that I think there shouldn’t be any deportations. I said that I think there won’t be.
Olog Hai:
Carryfast:
Instead of having a go at me maybe you could qualify your statement with some reasoning as to at least why there ‘shouldn’t’ be such deportation of those trying to get in here from France.
See, this is another of your problems. You don’t read what is written. I didn’t say that I think there shouldn’t be any deportations. I said that I think there won’t be.
If you’d have bothered to read what I actually said I didn’t say there ‘will’ be deportations I said there ‘should’ ‘hopefully’ be obviously depending on the political climate and stomach for it in France.
There are still far too many citizens in the EU area that believe that “Socialism” (ie “more of the same” right now) is somehow preferable to “lurching to the right”.
It doesn’t help that people like Hitlary Glinton equate those like Nigel Farage (who, if anything - has weakened ‘The Right’) with EDL, BNP, or even the hardly-heard-of “National Front” in this country alone.
Running away from the flames doesn’t help you if there’s a cliff in front of you.
Wouldn’t it be better to ‘adopt protective clothing’ in this analogy? - Or perhaps walk in a better-thought-out direction away from both Cliff and Fire alike?
That protective clothing is “Uk controls the UK” and everywhere else is responsible for controlling their bit of Earth.
“Foreign Policy” world-wide is well and truly Broken, the American and NATO versions of it - most of all.
Perhaps China might like to step forward and doff the mantel of “World Superpower” and show some “Humanity Leadership” of it’s own at this point?
It’s possible to be “Red” without being “Loony Left” I reckon, and it’s possible to be a ‘Conservative’ without being a ‘■■■■’. Meanwhile, we need to re-discover what it is to be “Middle of the Road” without being a doomed Liberal or victim of the “Squeezed Middle” zone too!
Carryfast:
Olog Hai:
Carryfast:
Instead of having a go at me maybe you could qualify your statement with some reasoning as to at least why there ‘shouldn’t’ be such deportation of those trying to get in here from France.
See, this is another of your problems. You don’t read what is written. I didn’t say that I think there shouldn’t be any deportations. I said that I think there won’t be.
If you’d have bothered to read what I actually said I didn’t say there ‘will’ be deportations I said there ‘should’ ‘hopefully’ be obviously depending on the political climate and stomach for it in France.
Not relevant, so your usual semantics and hair-splitting don’t apply.
You said there should be blah blah blah. I told you it won’t happen. You thought I said something else.
Olog Hai:
Carryfast:
If you’d have bothered to read what I actually said I didn’t say there ‘will’ be deportations I said there ‘should’ ‘hopefully’ be obviously depending on the political climate and stomach for it in France.
Not relevant, so your usual semantics and hair-splitting don’t apply.
You said there should be blah blah blah. I told you it won’t happen. You thought I said something else.
I clearly said ‘should’ ‘hopefully’.While for ‘some’ reason you decided as usual to personally attack the poster not the post when you didn’t even understand what the post actually said.Which leaves the question as to why you were so keen to have a go at me personally assuming you actually supposedly support my premise of the French ‘hopefully’ ‘should’ deport the immigrant invasion in question.In which case do you support that position or not and if so why have a go at me when you agree with what I’ve said.While if not that would explain everything.
Winseer:
There are still far too many citizens in the EU area that believe that “Socialism” (ie “more of the same” right now) is somehow preferable to “lurching to the right”.
It doesn’t help that people like Hitlary Glinton equate those like Nigel Farage (who, if anything - has weakened ‘The Right’) with EDL, BNP, or even the hardly-heard-of “National Front” in this country alone.
The pro v anti immigration argument has nothing to do with so called right or so called left.With as many working class being on the anti side of that argument as Conservatives being on the pro side.As for Farage he’s an idiot who has definitely weakened his own cause.By allowing UKIP to be infiltrated by the May pro immigration agenda in addition to leaving the party leaderless and rudderless at the point when it needed to maintain its anti establishment position most.
Put yourself in Farage’s position:
Let’s say your life has been threatened one time too many, and here you are, having pulled off the vote you’ve been campaigning years for to get - but not getting ANY recognition in parliament whatsoever.
NO security detail comes with NO position at Westminster.
So… Farage might well have been faced with “Do I press on from the fringes, probably getting myself bumped off anytime soon OR do I quit whilst I’m ahead, and hope someone in power throws me a bone…?”
They didn’t
He won’t be coming back then.
If Farage had been MP for Thanet South by this point - things might have been different. May would not have been allowed to become a PM at very least I reckon.
With the top three jobs going to Remainers - We’ve got no assurances whatsoever that “Brexit even Exists” let alone “Brexit means Brexit”.