Stanley Knife:
Marine Le Penn on The Marr Show on Sunday. Should be worth a watch.
The jury is still out regarding Farage and Trump but she is definitely the real deal. 
So Trump won and the UK voted to leave the EU, both votes went against the wishes of the mainstream political system. they’ve blamed the voting system, not that they complained about it when they thought the same voting system would deliver them the result they wanted, they’ve blamed the media,
In fact they’ve blamed everybody except themselves for losing touch with the people they’re supposed to represent. But instead of trying to re-engage with their electorate, those in the mainstream have resorted to insulting them.
But I suppose when your electorate have been passive for so long, that’s it’s allowed you to conduct your business they way you want without scrutiny and come up with things like TTIP, you’re bound to have a hissy fit when it doesn’t go your way.
muckles:
So Trump won and the UK voted to leave the EU, both votes went against the wishes of the mainstream political system. they’ve blamed the voting system, not that they complained about it when they thought the same voting system would deliver them the result they wanted, they’ve blamed the media,
In fact they’ve blamed everybody except themselves for losing touch with the people they’re supposed to represent. But instead of trying to re-engage with their electorate, those in the mainstream have resorted to insulting them.
But I suppose when your electorate have been passive for so long, that’s it’s allowed you to conduct your business they way you want without scrutiny and come up with things like TTIP, you’re bound to have a hissy fit when it doesn’t go your way.
It’s quite funny to listen to the liberal hypocrisy. Always crying that when things aren’t going your way it’s your own fault, and things aren’t that bad, it’s all in your head. Self responsibility they preach. Funny how they don’t act it when they’re on their arses 
OVLOV JAY:
It’s quite funny to listen to the liberal hypocrisy. Always crying that when things aren’t going your way it’s your own fault, and things aren’t that bad, it’s all in your head. Self responsibility they preach. Funny how they don’t act it when they’re on their arses
It’s arguably something much more serious than just ‘hypocrisy’.It’s more like a sense of entitlement to rule and that their ideas must prevail regardless of any inconvenient democratic opposition.To the point now where Trump is being expected to cave in on his promises and to re instate a Clinton agenda under a Trump administration.Just as David Davis is obviously caving in to May’s and Farron’s remain agenda in the face of a Leave vote.
On that note the question is exactly what is it that Farage ‘says’ that he ‘supports’ in the case of Trump’s agenda that he wouldn’t support in the case of Le Pen’s.The only difference that I can see being Trump’s perceived willingness to cave in and soften his line,in regard to both the immigration and the free markets issues.All the signs are that Farage and UKIP can talk he talk but are just Cons in different clothing and Trump isn’t much if any better. 
As I said Le Pen seems to be the only real deal here.
Munchkin:
So you feel that a racist, bigoted, misogynistic man with a dubious record of truth telling is a suitable leader for America?
True colours or should that just be colour, are coming out now. Don’t forget in supporting Trump you’re aligning with the KKK ffs! Maybe you all have big cabs though then you can sit as far to the right as possible [emoji57]Sent from my X17 using Tapatalk
And the difference between trump and 99% of other politicians is■■?
Alot of people problem is he’s an unknown. And people have suddenly realised that they have voted him in.
It’ll be an interesting few years that’s for sure. On both sides of the pond. But at least he’s looking out for his own population. Unlike our lot over here and I lump all sides of the house in to this. There now scared there’s no gravy train they can continue to ride once there votes out
alix776:
Munchkin:
So you feel that a racist, bigoted, misogynistic man with a dubious record of truth telling is a suitable leader for America?
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And the difference between trump and 99% of other politicians is■■?
The difference is a stated Nationalist Protectionist agenda.Whether he delivers on it is irrelevant at this point when the former is the clear difference in itself and that’s what his vote rightly voted for.Which just leaves the question will he deliver.Or will he cave in to the Socialist/cheap labour establishment agenda who in typical fashion are refusing to yield to the democratic process.
I do believe in the idea that liberals have a sense of entitlement. Along the lines of they know better and should be trusted above all others due to their tolerance and beliefs. The irony again that if you’re a religious person (I’m not btw), they’re probably heading to the back of the queue as they’re tearing up the “good book” with their ideology over life. Variety is the spice of life and all that, so don’t dilute the world into one, in the name of diversity
OVLOV JAY:
I do believe in the idea that liberals have a sense of entitlement. Variety is the spice of life and all that, so don’t dilute the world into one, in the name of diversity
The reverse racist agenda of the Socialists.Clearly stated here.As opposed to respect and celebration of ethnic differences and self determination. Zb bunch of nazis in just another form which is the anti thesis of ‘diversity’ and all about unification and collectivisation. 
OVLOV JAY:
https://youtu.be/fNkniZU4VsA
Thing is, I can’t now watch the original John Lewis ad without picturing this one.
The BBC’s being impartial again . . .
This morning The Times ran a piece on an alleged Cabinet Office memo bemoaning Brexit chaos. Everything the Remoaners have been saying, surely - “There is no plan for Brexit”. Except Downing Street has said it wasn’t a Cabinet memo at all, it was an unsolicited report authored by Deloitte in which they say the government needs 30,000 extra staff, presumably Deloitte consultants. Government sources say they told the BBC their headline and story was wrong at 7am. Oops!
Cue change of BBC headline to Government ‘doesn’t recognise’ Brexit memo. 
Meanwhile back in the US of A NBC’s Meet The Press had Katty Kay on, the BBC’s self-important World News America presenter, telling US television viewers that Britain regrets voting for Brexit. Last night she said that people didn’t really want to Leave and that Remain would win a second referendum:
“We did opinion polls afterwards that showed that, actually, if we were to hold the referendum again, Remain would win. There were people who came on the BBC who said, “You know what? I voted to leave but I didn’t actually think we were going to leave. It was a protest vote.” And I think what we’ve seen during the course of this week is the kind of simple, clarion call of change crashing up against the complexity of actually governing.”
youtube.com/watch?v=RW4BVJX … e=youtu.be
The problem is that recent YouGov polls have shown that there is no evidence to support that claim as voters still said that Brexit was the right decision.
Stanley Knife:
The BBC’s being impartial again . . .This morning The Times ran a piece on an alleged Cabinet Office memo bemoaning Brexit chaos. Everything the Remoaners have been saying, surely - “There is no plan for Brexit”. Except Downing Street has said it wasn’t a Cabinet memo at all, it was an unsolicited report authored by Deloitte in which they say the government needs 30,000 extra staff, presumably Deloitte consultants. Government sources say they told the BBC their headline and story was wrong at 7am. Oops!
Cue change of BBC headline to Government ‘doesn’t recognise’ Brexit memo.
Meanwhile back in the US of A NBC’s Meet The Press had Katty Kay on, the BBC’s self-important World News America presenter, telling US television viewers that Britain regrets voting for Brexit. Last night she said that people didn’t really want to Leave and that Remain would win a second referendum:
“We did opinion polls afterwards that showed that, actually, if we were to hold the referendum again, Remain would win. There were people who came on the BBC who said, “You know what? I voted to leave but I didn’t actually think we were going to leave. It was a protest vote.” And I think what we’ve seen during the course of this week is the kind of simple, clarion call of change crashing up against the complexity of actually governing.”
youtube.com/watch?v=RW4BVJX … e=youtu.be
The problem is that recent YouGov polls have shown that there is no evidence to support that claim as voters still said that Brexit was the right decision.
The real question is why are the Cons supposedly ‘split’ on the issue of Brexit when Cameron promised the electorate that his ( majority ) government would be bound by the referendum decision of the people.That referendum clearly based on a hard Brexit Leave manifesto.In which case exactly what ‘plan’ is it they want.The plan is simply leave the EU and with it ditch every EU regulation that we’ve been lumbered with and stop our contribution payments.Which can effectively be done overnight just as in the case of the opposite when we joined.
As for the remainers trying to de rail Brexit by over turning the vote.Let them try the same stunt in the case of Trump’s election and see what happens over there.
On that note we’re clearly dealing with an undemocratic bunch of Socialist ideology driven fanatics.Together with their banker cronies who see a cheap labour angle.Both of which think they have the right to rule regardless of the electoral process.Their bs claims,of so called ‘Leave voters’ ( more like Corbyn and Farron supporters ) now supposedly wanting to Remain,being part of that fraudulent agenda.In which case yes in our case a protest vote against EU federal rule and open door immigration and hopefully free market economics as part of that.While in the case of the US against global free market economics and open door immigration policies which happen to favour the Clinton establishment vote.Why would anyone having chosen to ‘protest’ in such a way now supposedly suddenly want to support the zb EU or Clinton’s globalist pro immigration agenda.
On that note what supposed ‘second referendum’ is Katty Kay talking about when there is no second referendum just as there is only one US presidential election.Not keep voting in the hope that/until the zb Socialists get the result they want. 
Carryfast:
The real question is why are the Cons supposedly ‘split’ on the issue of Brexit when Cameron promised the electorate that his ( majority ) government would be bound by the referendum decision of the people.That referendum clearly based on a hard Brexit Leave manifesto.In which case exactly what ‘plan’ is it they want.The plan is simply leave the EU and with it ditch every EU regulation that we’ve been lumbered with and stop our contribution payments.Which can effectively be done overnight just as in the case of the opposite when we joined.
This all fits the narrative of poor Theresa doing her best to implement the will of the people, but undermined by the legal system when the Supreme Court uphold the High Court decision. The lacklustre defence of the Gina Miller case spoke volumes about the direction this is heading.
The appalling treatment of Trump by certain sections of the Conservative Party during the US elections has only been made worse by the lack of desire by The Foreign Office to accommodate Trump by using Farage as a go-between in order to smooth the waters.
This has all the hallmark of gently easing the boat into the sidings until calmer waters. We can only hope that the people of this country don’t let the scheming zb’s get away with it, or that Farage will drop a grenade into the tea party if progress is slow. With Austrian presidential elections due in a couple of weeks, and French ones in the new year, neither of which are certain either way, followed by German presidential and Netherlands general elections, the EU waters seem anything but calm - and May or May Not has never been one for making snap decisions.
Stanley Knife:
Carryfast:
The real question is why are the Cons supposedly ‘split’ on the issue of Brexit when Cameron promised the electorate that his ( majority ) government would be bound by the referendum decision of the people.That referendum clearly based on a hard Brexit Leave manifesto.In which case exactly what ‘plan’ is it they want.The plan is simply leave the EU and with it ditch every EU regulation that we’ve been lumbered with and stop our contribution payments.Which can effectively be done overnight just as in the case of the opposite when we joined.This all fits the narrative of poor Theresa doing her best to implement the will of the people, but undermined by the legal system when the Supreme Court uphold the High Court decision. The lacklustre defence of the Gina Miller case spoke volumes about the direction this is heading.
Absolutely.The whole remain challenge from the parliamentary opposition to the courts seems like a diversionary tactic to shift attention from the simple question why hasn’t ‘her’ majority administration implemented the Leave referendum vote in parliament according to the Leave manifesto and the promises we were given at the outset.
As for the Farage’s agenda the big question in that case is what does Farage supposedly support in Trump’s agenda that he doesn’t want to support in Le Pen’s.When Trump has been elected on a similar anti globalist anti free markets and anti immigration ticket as Le Pen is standing on.While at home why hasn’t he just told May and Davis to whip the reversal of the European Communities act through parliament using her parliamentary majority to do it,in line with the referendum vote,as promised by Cameron . 
Carryfast:
Evil8Beezle:
What difference does it really make which self serving lying bit of scum is in the White House, they all do the same thing really…
What will be entertaining though will be the way Trump does it, and the carnage it causes! [emoji38]
He may inadvertently do some good?The fact is we don’t know yet if Trump is a self serving lying scumbag like all the rest.There’s nothing inadvertent about his clearly stated anti establishment Nationalist/Protectionist line which is by definition good.The only question now is will he deliver.Bearing in mind that it is still possible that the establishment scumbags remaining around him could be the ones who’ll block his plans.That won’t be his fault.While if there is any question of potential chaos it will be that issue more than any other which kicks it off.
Oh don’t we! Have you not looked back on Trumps history in business?
Take a look at his antics at Trump Links on the Menie estate. Anyone not capitulating to his wishes, selling their property to him, is bullied and intimidated. Walls built round their properties, now there’s an idea!
When an offshore windfarm was mooted and the council wouldn’t guarantee no planning for it he threw his toys out of the pram. No further development and no jobs as promised, he still owns land with extensive planning though, based on his earlier promises.
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Munchkin:
Carryfast:
The fact is we don’t know yet if Trump is a self serving lying scumbag like all the rest.There’s nothing inadvertent about his clearly stated anti establishment Nationalist/Protectionist line which is by definition good.The only question now is will he deliver.Bearing in mind that it is still possible that the establishment scumbags remaining around him could be the ones who’ll block his plans.That won’t be his fault.While if there is any question of potential chaos it will be that issue more than any other which kicks it off.Oh don’t we! Have you not looked back on Trumps history in business?
Take a look at his antics at Trump Links on the Menie estate. Anyone not capitulating to his wishes, selling their property to him, is bullied and intimidated. Walls built round their properties, now there’s an idea!
When an offshore windfarm was mooted and the council wouldn’t guarantee no planning for it he threw his toys out of the pram. No further development and no jobs as promised, he still owns land with extensive planning though, based on his earlier promises.
Fair enough Trump,probably like Farage,is no Le Pen.The point being that voting in the Corbyn/Farron/Clinton Socialist mafia instead isn’t going to be the way to fix that.IE until Labour gets its act together by ditching all the bs Socialist baggage,Trump,like Farage,is the best we’re going to get.IE yes in an ideal world we’d have a Nationalist Labour Party and an American Nationalist Party with neither having links to the big business agenda among its leadership.
More BBC impartiality . . .
conservativewoman.co.uk/davi … ets-trump/
They don’t even hide the bias now, it’s open!
I listened to this on the Today programme on R4 this morning and it was a joy to hear Justin Webb being pulled down a peg. Go to 1hr 10min.
Stanley Knife:
I listened to this on the Today programme on R4 this morning and it was a joy to hear Justin Webb being pulled down a peg. Go to 1hr 10min.
The zb wits can’t even understand the irony of branding Trump’s policy of US jobs for US workers as ‘right wing’.Let alone the idea of supporting the so called ‘left’,in the form of Socialism,regards Jewish rights.When most Socialists don’t even respect the right of Israel to exist as a nation.On that note,like the US ‘democrat’ Party,I think we can dismiss the ‘BBC’ as now clearly having been infiltrated and controlled by the Socialist agenda.Also bearing in mind Fascism is a Socialist thing,created by a banker elite and dictatorial Socialist thinking ( note the link ),not a Nationalist one.Which is why Hitler was a Fascist and Michael Collins wasn’t.
aclj.org/israel/president-obama … -of-israel
While it’s obvious that this same scumbag institution also really wants to kick off a war with Russia just because Putin doesn’t go along with its pro EU expansionist,pro Arab and pro LGBT agenda among others.
As for people like Sarah Montague,being allied with Corbyn’s and Farron’s Socialist rabble in the Obama administration admiration society and calling Trump ‘right’ wing,they couldn’t make it up.
Carryfast:
On that note,like the US ‘democrat’ Party,I think we can dismiss the ‘BBC’ as now clearly having been infiltrated and controlled by the Socialist agenda.
Especially as the BBC’s director of strategy has been promoted to a new role putting him in charge of the corporation’s radio stations . . .
. . . one James Purnell!
Found this plausible trueism…
POLITICS
Far right - everyone but me is wrong and needs to die
Right - everyone but me is wrong and needs to shut up
Moderate Right - everyone but me is wrong so I’ll vote for the things that I want to happen but otherwise keep quiet
Moderate - Can’t we all just get along? Everyone is different.
Moderate Left - everyone but me is wrong so I’ll vote for the things that I want to happen but otherwise keep quiet
Left - everyone but me is wrong and needs to shut up
Far left - everyone but me is wrong and needs to die
So you see, no matter where you fit on the above scale, someone is going to think you’re a cook!
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