President TRUMP

Munchkin:

Carryfast:

Munchkin:
Dictionary definitions not good enough for you then?

Yes.It’s just accepting the Socialist definition of the ‘truth’ in this case in branding anti unlimited open door immigration as racist which I and obviously the UKIP and Trump vote have got a problem with.

You asked about the definition of racist and misogynist did you not?
As we all know there are many truths, I’m sure you believe yours.

No I clearly referred to the issue being the Socialist definition of the truth regarding the ‘racist’ word when directed against anyone who stands against Socialist immigration policy.IE a racist is someone who wants to inflict harm because of ethnic difference.It isn’t someone who says we need to halt/limit immigration numbers for economic and demographic reasons.

AndrewG:
Nothing racist about banning muslims from entering the usa or the 18ft tall wall Trump has planned. The perfect man for the job…

No nothing racist about applying measures to control free movement and immigration for economic,demographic and national security reasons.Just as there was nothing racist about the 1924/Johnson Reed Act.

Carryfast:

Munchkin:

The-Snowman:
I havnt read the whole thread so not sure if this has been said already but in my opinion (limited to political expertise as it is), the reason Trump won is on a par with why Brexit happened. The ordinary manin the street is sick to the back teeth with politicians and their lies. They are fed up with the elect leaders not listening to them and instead ignoring their fears or wishes and instead pushing ahead with their own agendas, which are usually about an end game that fills their own coffers. They are fed up with the leaders opening the borders to all and sundry from any dirthole and letting them come here and stick their hand out.
I saw one [zb] yesterday with the comment “its democracy at its worst”. anyone with Lord in front of their surname is usually a moron but this one blew my mind. It was totally lost on him that Brexit and now the US election is democracy at its best as the ordinary working man is ignored by the politicians till they want your vote.
When ukip did so well in the by elections a few years ago, Cameron dismissed it as “a protest vote” and ignored it. That showed the contempt with which they treat the citizen of their country
Maybe instead of whinging and moaning they should look at just WHY a man like Donald Trump managed to secure the keys to the white house and instead of blaming the idiotic voters they shouldl ook a little closer to home and start listening.

I pretty much agree Snowman though others seem to be taking a narrower view of things.[emoji6]

You agree in the same way that Corbyn agrees.If the electorate don’t vote your way then shout louder at them,call them racists and refuse to be bound by the vote.

dont forget who is right by corbyn side, diane ( race card ) abbot.
so you can hardly expect any other sort of treatment if anyone dares to stand up for there own people v there minority people
the problem is that in and around London areas there views and stance are hugely popular simply because there are such high numbers of minority’s there. in fact i dont know why we still call them minority’s any more as in some areas there the majority just look at some of the huge number of votes were cast in some areas of london to remain. they sure as hell were not from British born and bread cockneys thats for sure

anyway labour these days are more concerned with trying to win city mayors postions and its there ethnic voters that will help them win those postions it seems labour dont really give a toss anymore for the towns and villages up north, they have been wiped out in scotland and i predict they will be wiped out up north to except for the citys as the ethnic votes will carry them forward on that route but in parliment they will lose even more seats

i hope may goes for an early election and labour do gets wilted down in such high numbers it might be just what is needed for labour to start to get its act together again falling that ukip will have to in double quick time become the party for the British people

corbyn and abbot can cry racist all they like as it will not change the mood now around in the people and after trump that feeling of what people can do if we stand up together is growing

i just wish drivers would one day find a bit of back bone and stand up for themselves

desypete:
corbyn and abbot can cry racist all they like as it will not change the mood now around in the people and after trump that feeling of what people can do if we stand up together is growing

The corrupted politicised racist card is all the Socialists and cheap labour establishment now have to fall back on and they are desperately trying to limit the damage as more and more people are rightly telling them to shove it.The argument is now rightly turning into the Nationalist v Socialist one we need with the irrelevant centre with its cheap labour interests just getting in the way.

The pound is now flying. The downside to that is, the “window of being able to buy British stuff up on the cheap” is closing fast!

Theresa May must now surely know that any further interference by the main parties as to Farage being thwarted in his attempts to become an MP at Worstmonster - now need to stop.

I suspect Trump, in returning the favour for Farage’s recent support - might now help him win literally the very next parliamentry seat going.

I think there are laws in place to prevent Trump from donating money directly to UKIP, but what about Farage personally?

Imagine a by-election comes up, anywhere in England or Wales (they being the Brexit states in the UK)…

Trump only need offer to buy Farage a house in that constituency, Farage moves in their temporarily, gets his name on the ballot, and hey presto - multiple chances to get Farage shoehorned into Parliament before the next general election even comes along.

Farage is NOT currently an MP. He is not restricted then from getting “Gratuities” from any admirer - even the shortly-to-become the most powerful man on the planet.
Trump not getting things done - what? - With the Republicans owning the upper house as well?
Pull the other one!

It’s a perfect base from which to launch a more “Autocratic” style, only held in check by Trump’s lack of experience as a politician.
The Republicans themselves will now be able to make sweeping changes, with Trump as the investment vehicle they bet the ranch on - and won. All due credit for “Taking that chance” on Trump then.

As for the “Anti-Democratic” faction - Get over it. You lost!

Trump didn’t even win by a ■■■-paper margin - Over 300 electoral votes is a decent victory by any counts. “Go home and Die” Bush in 2000 saw the democrats of 8 years replaced by a Gnat’s Chuff margin of victory, where Al Gore, like Hilary now it seems - won the popular vote count, but lost the election. The system is rigged alright. It’s called “First past the Post”. The Democrats had a chance to reform that system, but neglected to do so - and have now paid the price. 2020 - Bring it on! The EU are going to stall the UK government in any way they can to keep the UK from having Brexit done and dusted by 2020. If it is NOT done then - Theresa May is toast. Her party is toast. The rebel voters won’t be going over to Loony Labour - They’ll be protest voting for UKIP and easily winning enough seats in the still-unchanged FPTP system to force a coalition government, which I predict can only be with the belittled Tories. The South of England has a lot of areas that now see Brexit “not hurting them”. Over time, more and more people that originally voted Remain will be won over. The same can be said of any working class folk up north that might have supported Remain because it was the Labour Party Line. I predict the next election will be a three-way split with three parties getting a 3-digit number of seats - IF Brexit is not COMPLETED by then. Right now, 3 years is a long time. BUT nothing has even been started yet, and all President Trump has to do to “Help things along” - is merely “Avoid being assassinated by the anti-democracy movement” by that point. :wink:

Winseer:
The pound is now flying. The downside to that is, the “window of being able to buy British stuff up on the cheap” is closing fast!

Theresa May must now surely know that any further interference by the main parties as to Farage being thwarted in his attempts to become an MP at Worstmonster - now need to stop.

I suspect Trump, in returning the favour for Farage’s recent support - might now help him win literally the very next parliamentry seat going.

I think there are laws in place to prevent Trump from donating money directly to UKIP, but what about Farage personally?

Imagine a by-election comes up, anywhere in England or Wales (they being the Brexit states in the UK)…

Trump only need offer to buy Farage a house in that constituency, Farage moves in their temporarily, gets his name on the ballot, and hey presto - multiple chances to get Farage shoehorned into Parliament before the next general election even comes along.

Farage is NOT currently an MP. He is not restricted then from getting “Gratuities” from any admirer - even the shortly-to-become the most powerful man on the planet.
Trump not getting things done - what? - With the Republicans owning the upper house as well?
Pull the other one!

It’s a perfect base from which to launch a more “Autocratic” style, only held in check by Trump’s lack of experience as a politician.
The Republicans themselves will now be able to make sweeping changes, with Trump as the investment vehicle they bet the ranch on - and won. All due credit for “Taking that chance” on Trump then.

As for the “Anti-Democratic” faction - Get over it. You lost!

Trump didn’t even win by a ■■■-paper margin - Over 300 electoral votes is a decent victory by any counts. “Go home and Die” Bush in 2000 saw the democrats of 8 years replaced by a Gnat’s Chuff margin of victory, where Al Gore, like Hilary now it seems - won the popular vote count, but lost the election. The system is rigged alright. It’s called “First past the Post”. The Democrats had a chance to reform that system, but neglected to do so - and have now paid the price. 2020 - Bring it on! The EU are going to stall the UK government in any way they can to keep the UK from having Brexit done and dusted by 2020. If it is NOT done then - Theresa May is toast. Her party is toast. The rebel voters won’t be going over to Loony Labour - They’ll be protest voting for UKIP and easily winning enough seats in the still-unchanged FPTP system to force a coalition government, which I predict can only be with the belittled Tories. The South of England has a lot of areas that now see Brexit “not hurting them”. Over time, more and more people that originally voted Remain will be won over. The same can be said of any working class folk up north that might have supported Remain because it was the Labour Party Line. I predict the next election will be a three-way split with three parties getting a 3-digit number of seats - IF Brexit is not COMPLETED by then. Right now, 3 years is a long time. BUT nothing has even been started yet, and all President Trump has to do to “Help things along” - is merely “Avoid being assassinated by the anti-democracy movement” by that point. :wink:

You wearing your tin foil hat again Winseer?

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Winseer:
The Republicans themselves will now be able to make sweeping changes, with Trump as the investment vehicle they bet the ranch on - and won. All due credit for “Taking that chance” on Trump then.

Unfortunately I think you might have massively underestimated the motives of the Republican ( Party ) v Trump.To the point where I’d guess that there might be plenty if not possibly even a majority of Republicans who’d prefer Hilary than Trump.On that note if they throw out his immigration and trade barrier reforms all bets are off as to what will happen next over there. :open_mouth:

While realistically he’d probably have been better off standing as an independent,or even a new US Party,not a Republican.In just the same way the the Cons would never line up behind Farage as leader of the Conservatives. :bulb:

Spot on.

express.co.uk/comment/expres … Referendum

No surprise Hollande is now running zb scared. :smiley:

Can’t disagree with a word of it. He makes the point better than I did regarding the Mathew Paris’s of this world. They are completely blind to the possibility that there is an alternative to their view. Everyone must conform otherwise be branded as not knowing what you’re voting for.

The shrill calls of you’ve voted the wrong way only instill in me a greater belief that we most definitely voted the right way!

Fatboy slimslow:

Munchkin:
So you feel that a racist, bigoted, misogynistic man with a dubious record of truth telling is a suitable leader for America?
True colours or should that just be colour, are coming out now. Don’t forget in supporting Trump you’re aligning with the KKK ffs! Maybe you all have big cabs though then you can sit as far to the right as possible [emoji57] Sent from my X17 using Tapatalk

Aw, poor little munchkin. :grimacing: you do realise us northerners are so racist and bigoted [emoji38] KKK, ku klux kinevil on his steam roller about to lay millions of cats eyes. Lol :sunglasses: if he’s that racist, why did mid west and Deep South vote for him? Sure it’s full of white racist bigots down there! Poor little, socilalist luvvy leftie. Me heart bleeds… purple ■■■■. :smiley:

You should see a doctor for that!

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Munchkin:
Support for a political candidate/party means being aligned in your ideas and beliefs surely. Hardly the same as having a liking for something!
I quite like Ruth Davidson as a person but in no way support her political views. See the difference?

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For the minority that support every last policy, and there’s still a debate to be had over racism etc, you could align to the kkk. But it’s pretty narrow minded to align a factory worker from Detroit to the kkk, when he voted to save his job

OVLOV JAY:

I’ve no issue voting to save jobs, hell I’d do it.
The issue is the candidate and hid baggage. The American working people deserved a better candidate than The Donald. If the man told me it was raining I’d still go and have a look.

Munchkin:
Support for a political candidate/party means being aligned in your ideas and beliefs surely. Hardly the same as having a liking for something!
I quite like Ruth Davidson as a person but in no way support her political views. See the difference?

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For the minority that support every last policy, and there’s still a debate to be had over racism etc, you could align to the kkk. But it’s pretty narrow minded to align a factory worker from Detroit to the kkk, when he voted to save his job

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Stanley Knife:
Can’t disagree with a word of it. He makes the point better than I did regarding the Mathew Paris’s of this world. They are completely blind to the possibility that there is an alternative to their view. Everyone must conform otherwise be branded as not knowing what you’re voting for.

The shrill calls of you’ve voted the wrong way only instill in me a greater belief that we most definitely voted the right way!

There is one major flaw in the comparison between Trump v Brexit.In that a large part of the Trump anti establishment agenda and its vote is clearly and rightly,like Le Pen,about moving away from global free market economics to Nationalist Protectionism.However can we say the same about those who are setting the Brexit agenda even Farage ?.

On that note I could see that relationship breaking down very quick bearing in mind May’s obvious difference in going for even more and closer ties to China,not breaking them like Trump rightly intends to do.While the silence from Farage and UKIP is deafening in that regard.The obvious result being that those friendly gestures from Trump towards Farage and Brexit will turn sour if/when the US finds loads of Chinese imports getting into the US by the UK back door.IE a US protectionist trade policy v China isn’t compatible with an open door trade policy with UK assuming a UK open door trade policy with China.When both obviously need to be united on the issue of protectionism,against cheap labour sweat shop competition,to make it work. :bulb:

Munchkin:

OVLOV JAY:

I’ve no issue voting to save jobs, hell I’d do it.
The issue is the candidate and hid baggage. The American working people deserved a better candidate than The Donald. If the man told me it was raining I’d still go and have a look.

Munchkin:
Support for a political candidate/party means being aligned in your ideas and beliefs surely. Hardly the same as having a liking for something!
I quite like Ruth Davidson as a person but in no way support her political views. See the difference?

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For the minority that support every last policy, and there’s still a debate to be had over racism etc, you could align to the kkk. But it’s pretty narrow minded to align a factory worker from Detroit to the kkk, when he voted to save his job

To be fair ex Thatcherite Farage isn’t exactly ideal from the point of view of working class Nationalism either.When we really need a protectionist economics Labour leader,like Shore would have been,to get the job done properly.But the fact is those two are all we’ve got unless we get a new US and UK Nationalist Labour Party that isn’t strangled by all the bs Socialist/Establishment baggage of Corbyn,or for that matter the Clintons and their establishment supporters.

What difference does it really make which self serving lying bit of scum is in the White House, they all do the same thing really…
What will be entertaining though will be the way Trump does it, and the carnage it causes! :laughing:
He may inadvertently do some good? :open_mouth:

Evil8Beezle:
What difference does it really make which self serving lying bit of scum is in the White House, they all do the same thing really…
What will be entertaining though will be the way Trump does it, and the carnage it causes! :laughing:
He may inadvertently do some good? :open_mouth:

The fact is we don’t know yet if Trump is a self serving lying scumbag like all the rest.There’s nothing inadvertent about his clearly stated anti establishment Nationalist/Protectionist line which is by definition good.The only question now is will he deliver.Bearing in mind that it is still possible that the establishment scumbags remaining around him could be the ones who’ll block his plans.That won’t be his fault.While if there is any question of potential chaos it will be that issue more than any other which kicks it off.

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Didn’t know whether to laugh or cry at this - especially at the end . . .

twitter.com/Beer__Wolf/status/7 … 0815736832

It was supposed to be her job. PMSL

She didn’t work her whole life to be President. She has never, ever struggled or faced adversity. She married Bill Clinton and became First Lady of Arkansas and then the USA, when he won on a minority vote against Ross Perot. Remember him? Afterwards, coining millions from ghost written books and speeches she demanded and was given a safe Senate seat.

Then she ran for President and was roundly beaten by a total newcomer whose blackness outranked her womanness. She also struggled against Edwards, which people forget. She was made Secretary of State only because she had run in that primary season and was Bill Clinton’s wife. At State she was useless to dangerous and shortly afterwards deleted 33,000 emails she dimly hopes we believe were mainly about the dresses and flowers at Chelsea’s wedding.

This time despite cheating in the debates she could barely see off a crazy indie far left 74 year old man and then lost to a crazy maverick populist rank outsider in his first election forever going wildly off script while half his party undermined him. Hillary says repeatedly she is losing ‘her struggle’ but it is better termed her incompetence.

The thing that Americans say about her most is they hate her sense of entitlement. Even in defeat she said ‘we we we we’ when talking about losing, laying the blame on the team who thought she was praising them. The correct thing she might have said had she an ounce of humility was ‘I apologise to you that I fell short, that I let you down, that I was not good enough’. Not Hillary, she could never admit to that.

The difference this time is that, even with the Clinton News Network at her beck and call, the people saw through her.

But the real irony of the entitled is that the woman who posted the above, Lena Dunham, also posted this about “the extinction of white men”.

Marine Le Penn on The Marr Show on Sunday. Should be worth a watch.

standard.co.uk/news/uk/bbc-d … 94086.html

Stanley Knife:
But the real irony of the entitled is that the woman who posted the above, Lena Dunham, also posted this about “the extinction of white men”.

Check out the comments though. :smiling_imp: :smiley: