Finished last night at 1910 at Liverpool docks, joined queue for this morning. Pulled my card, put it back in at 0550, did a manual entry for start time at 0545 and recorded this as other work from 0545 until 0550. But for some reason I’m being shown driving time as 3h 30mins which is what it was last night when I parked up and ‘other work’ is showing up as 10h 44mins…just done print out and its saying from 0000 to 0445 (UTC time) so actually 0545 I was doing other work? How is this possible and can I rectify it somehow as I don’t want to get an hour down the road to have a break. Will those 10h 44mins show up on my WTD??
Finished last night at 1910 at Liverpool docks, joined queue for this morning. Pulled my card, put it back in at 0550, did a manual entry for start time at 0545 and recorded this as other work from 0545 until 0550. But for some reason I’m being shown driving time as 3h 30mins which is what it was last night when I parked up and ‘other work’ is showing up as 10h 44mins…just done print out and its saying from 0000 to 0445 (UTC time) so actually 0545 I was doing other work? How is this possible and can I rectify it somehow as I don’t want to get an hour down the road to have a break. Will those 10h 44mins show up on my WTD??
sydeakinwoods:
I always pull my card of an evening…
Are you meant to leave it in??
yes.
the idea is to give a 24 hour recording.
just as well you’re not going to france or spain.
I’ve never left it in…the manual entry shows the 24 hour recording.
Is there a rule saying it should be left in? As long as the VU doesn’t show up as vehicle being moved off card it shouldn’t matter…
not a rule as such, but it is advisory by vosa to leave it in.
firstly to give a 24 hour recording to prevent fraud. and secondly, it is to prevent damage to the card.
sydeakinwoods:
I always pull my card of an evening…
Are you meant to leave it in??
yes.
the idea is to give a 24 hour recording.
just as well you’re not going to france or spain.
I’ve never left it in…the manual entry shows the 24 hour recording.
Is there a rule saying it should be left in? As long as the VU doesn’t show up as vehicle being moved off card it shouldn’t matter…
not a rule as such, but it is advisory by vosa to leave it in.
firstly to give a 24 hour recording to prevent fraud. and secondly, it is to prevent damage to the card.
I see…so could that be what’s gone wrong? Would a print out and explanation do the trick if I was pulled by VOSA?
i can’t understand how its gone wrong.
at first i thought the utc time may have been incorrect. but according to your post that dosn’t appear to be the case.
do a printout, and if you get pulled, then tell them. they are prety understanding.
you know you’ve done the job right, so don’t let it bother you.
in future just leave it in. i’ve never taken mine out unless vosa have wanted a look.
limeyphil:
i can’t understand how its gone wrong.
at first i thought the utc time may have been incorrect. but according to your post that dosn’t appear to be the case.
do a printout, and if you get pulled, then tell them. they are prety understanding.
you know you’ve done the job right, so don’t let it bother you.
in future just leave it in. i’ve never taken mine out unless vosa have wanted a look.
Finished last night at 1910 at Liverpool docks, joined queue for this morning. Pulled my card, put it back in at 0550, did a manual entry for start time at 0545 and recorded this as other work from 0545 until 0550.
Ok what happened here is that your manual entry was done incorrectly, reason why tacho thinks that you continue from last night 19.10 remember that when you pulled your card out, it was on other work already, so you made a manual entry other work from 0545 onwards, so for your tacho, you didn’t have a break.
the way to do it is as follows
Card goes in at 0550, then will show UTC time 0450 Local time 0550 then will show last withdrow on 09/05/2012 19.10
then will ask, manual entry?? you say yes
from yesterday 1910 to this morning 0545 rest, being 0545 when card was inserted anyway
from 0545 to 0550 POA or other work like you did
after that it will keep recording depending on what you swith it to, POA, other work or rest dependoing on what you select.
The driving time will be reseted to 0 because you will have recorded the rest period from 1910 till 0545
You started ok, but forgot to tell or input your rest period, so tacho thinks that you are continuing with your day, if you see what I mean
Finished last night at 1910 at Liverpool docks, joined queue for this morning. Pulled my card, put it back in at 0550, did a manual entry for start time at 0545 and recorded this as other work from 0545 until 0550.
Ok what happened here is that your manual entry was done incorrectly, reason why tacho thinks that you continue from last night 19.10 remember that when you pulled your card out, it was on other work already, so you made a manual entry other work from 0545 onwards, so for your tacho, you didn’t have a break.
the way to do it is as follows
Card goes in at 0550, then will show UTC time 0450 Local time 0550 then will show last withdrow on 09/05/2012 19.10
then will ask, manual entry?? you say yes
from yesterday 1910 to this morning 0545 rest, being 0545 when card was inserted anyway
from 0545 to 0550 POA or other work like you did
after that it will keep recording depending on what you swith it to, POA, other work or rest dependoing on what you select.
The driving time will be reseted to 0 because you will have recorded the rest period from 1910 till 0545
You started ok, but forgot to tell or input your rest period, so tacho thinks that you are continuing with your day, if you see what I mean
Hmmm I’m sure this is the way I always do it?
The new tacho comes up first with UTC time and actual time as you say…
Then it asks about manual entry.
It automatically suggests that rest period is from 1910-0550
I change it to rest period 1910-0545 and other work for the 5 minutes extra. So it should of recorded the adjusted rest periood as rest then?
sydeakinwoods:
Hmmm I’m sure this is the way I always do it?
The new tacho comes up first with UTC time and actual time as you say…
Then it asks about manual entry.
It automatically suggests that rest period is from 1910-0550
I change it to rest period 1910-0545 and other work for the 5 minutes extra. So it should of recorded the adjusted rest periood as rest then?
Thanks
Correct, you select the switch, if you do nothing, it records rest from 1910 till 0550, time you inserted the card, but you have to be sure is on bed switch
But as you say, you select rest from 1910 till 0545, then from 0545 till 0550 other work, then will show from 0550 till actual time of the day, there you select other work again, then will say country UK?? you say yes if you still in the uk, and there you go
You’ve almost certainly recorded other work for the time you was on rest.
There are two probable explanations for this happening, one is if it’s an old type tachograph you made a mistake when doing the manual entry and inadvertently put other work for the rest time, the second explanation is if it’s a new type tachograph you never put the rest period in as rest which is what you need to do on the new tachographs.
The solution to your problem is to do a printout and write an explanation on the back explaining that you was on rest from 19:10 to 05:45 then sign the printout, in fact do two printouts and hand one in when your card is downloaded and keep the other with you in case you get stopped.
Whether or not the lost time will count for the WTD depends on your company but there’s no reason why it should, though frankly your main concern should be the tachograph regulations not the WTD
just a thought, if you take your card out at night, when you insert in the morning it should come up with the time you withdrew your card and ask if this was the end of shift, if you select yes thats the end of it. if you select no then you do a manual entry for what ever time you finished and make sure its crossed hammers thats selected for the time you withdrew your card and the time you actually finished work. you then do a manual entry for the morning.
It automatically comes up with being on rest from the time I finished to the time I put my card in…the only thing I can think of is when changing the rest from 0545 to 0550 onto other work I must of accidentally changed the whole lot.
I’ll do a couple of print outs and hand one in when card is downloaded.
