Yeah I live in the real world, maybe you should try it sometime. Kids aren’t coming out of college wanting to get into farming. No tedious link needed to back that claim up. 
It has no problem supporting those who come here illegally or those here with no intention of ever contributing. In that regard I have no issue with farmers being given a tax break - at least they provide something to society.
Newlion mate, you are wasting your energy.
Why indulge him in this any further, he will hang on like a terrier no matter how you try and point things out.
Meanwhile…
Meet the man behind the petition demanding a general election Meet the man behind the petition demanding a general election: More than one million Britons have called for change amid fury at Labour's Budget tax raid | Daily Mail Online
I didnt realise it was ‘beer based’ 
Watch out for The Wagon and Horses closing down anytime soon…‘They don’t like it up em’
Although I see Elon Musk’s name has cropped up, maybe he will stand up for this guy when the ‘Far right squad’ branch of the Police storm his pub in full combat kit armed to the teeth.
I agree but this government seems to have become very unpopular very quickly, as I said I don’t think the petition, currently standing at 2,022,745 signatures, will make a lot of difference to the government but it has to be embarrassing for Starmer and Co.
I believe any debate will be not much more than a puppet show but it will at-least give the opposition (said tongue in cheek 
) an opportunity to call for a brake or U-turn on some of the election promises Labour are rowing back on.
Lets be honest, a petition is about the only way people can express their dissatisfaction with the government, most of us are not going to be complaining to our local MPs because that’s a complete waste of time.
Just watched Starmer on tv .
When asked about the petition, (and after all the obligatory mentions of ‘The Last Govt’…yawn, ‘The £25 billion black hole’…even bigger yawn) he looked a bit uneasy.
But then the default ‘false politician’ thing suddenly kicked in, and he broke into a supercillious grin saying…
‘Ha ha oh yes, we are fully aware not everyone voted for us in the last election’. and generally shrugged it off…not that I expected anything less.
Agreed.
Agreed again.
Having said that, we can’t have a Gov reacting to every twist and turn in public opinion.
In the short term at least they need to be able to do unpopular things. That is of course an argument made for “strongmen” politics.
Personally I don’t hold with the idea of proto dictators though. It is a difficult balancing act, and as flawed as democracy is… 
They will need to become more popular before the next election if they want to continue with their project of course.
I have seen that line repeated, but what have they actually rowed back on?
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Seems to me that the Gov have a poor PR dept…or else the media in the UK, (owned and controlled as most of it is by the rich!) might just not be doing a good job for the country, but doing very well for it’s owners.
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They said they would not increase tax for working people but the office of budget responsibility say 76% of the NI hike will come out of workers’ wages
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They said they would stop putting illegal immigrants up in hotels which the tax payer has to pay for, there are now more illegal immigrants in hotels than when Labour took over and more hotels being used to house illegal immigrants.
Before anyone pulls mu up about the migrants being irregular rather than illegal they entered this country illegally therefore they are illegal immigrants.
Whether or not they are irregular I neither know nor care
Yes, p17 of the manifesto.
As FullFact points out: they are a few months into a 5 year term and no time frame was in the manifesto.
We are less than 10% into this Parliament, so although a move in the right direction would have been nice, and it has actually increased lately, it is too soon to call it a failure IMHO.
According to the letter of the promise, they have not increased tax on “working people”.
It is certainly true that some working people will be worse off, for a short while at the least, maybe longer, but I don’t think there were any promises made that things would all be better from day 1.
And who are “working people” anyway? A very slippery concept from the start.
Things are not going great. I for one never thought they would.
I still (at the moment) expect us to do better under Labour than under any alternative Gov.
A few months is not a good time to make too much of their performance.
And there we have it folks, Franglais has spoken…
EXACTLY the reason why I did not indulge him by ansewring his loaded question to me, and giving him a chance to excuse, spin, and generally play down the current cluster ■■■■ of a performance from this govt.
The Trucknet apologist rides again, …how predictable how 'kin cringeworthy.
There was an article on the BBC TV news yesterday about the Irish Republic Authorities sending any illegal immigrants they come across back to England within 24 hours.
I saw that, if they can do it why can’t we simply return illegals to France, afterall both France and the Irish republic are part of the EU who caused the problem in the first place.
Because there is too much Lefty mamby pamby influence in this country, and the woke pc types who enforce it.
They aint got the balls (nor the will) to do it.
If they cut back the attractive incentive the problem would be solved overnight.
A BBC report on this no less.
Notice the buzz words, and no nonsence or effin about type phrases used, like ‘‘removed’’, ‘‘returned’’, ‘deportation’‘, ‘‘chartered deportation flights’’, ‘‘detention vehicles’’, ‘‘identity checks’’.
Not a mention of the pathetic derisory UK version terms like ‘‘irregulars’’ and ‘hostels’’ as euphamisms for the REAL picture.…which have even found their way on here ffs.
And now prioritising on housing their own people now, after years of catering for these freeloaders.
I notice they are referring to the UK, but what do the powers that be expect, after years of pandering to lefty attitudes instead of just taking a hard line with these bogus ‘asylum seekers’.
Note the reference to the Rwanda deterremt btw despite what the brainwashed lefties try and convince us of.
The UK should follow same or similar policies, the situation here is beyond a joke.
You are right, however I’m also terrier like on these things. 
Really? I do not think we have seen a more incompetent and incapable government in living memory with everything they have (or haven’t) done in just 5 short months.
What’s worse and incredibly embarrassing is people like you defending and excusing all of it rather than admit you may have got this one wrong.
Liz truss and boris governments were both worse
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The EU caused what problem?
Migration is caused by people leaving there home countries. Lots of reasons for that, but i don’t see that the EU is more responsible than the UK or USA for any of that?
Eire and France are part of the EU so there is free movement for their own citizens between those countries. Eire is not part of Schengen so passport controls are normal between them.
Eire and the UK are part of the Common Travel Area dating back to 1923.
The UK used to be a signatory to the Dublin III Regulation which enabled fast tracking migrants from the UK to the EU (France) , but that ended with the Johnson Brexit Agreement.
The UK has agreements with Eire.
The UK has passport agreements with France.
The UK does not have passport agreements with the EU.
NB. From inside the EU, it is all one place. From outside it is a bunch of different countries with different immigration and customs rules. We chose to sit outside.
Some politicians say that the UK should be free to send migrants back to the last safe country. normally France.
Extending that view Eire must be free (according to their principles) to send migrants back to the UK, the last safe country.
It was the EUs open door for migrants policy that encouraged millions more people to seek refuge in EU countries, wasn’t it Angela Merkel who told migrants they would be welcome in Germany and so encouraging more migrants to leave their own country and seek refuge in EU countries.
You have just talked about Germany’s policy.
Migrants by far go mostly to the nearest countries so they can later return home. Turkey, not a rich country, and has millions of refugees from it’s neighbours.
Some migrants move further away. Some are English speakers or have family here.
I have spoken to French Gendarmes and they say that some go to the UK because we have a bigger “grey economy”. They reckon that we are too slack with car washes and nail bars etc employing people illegally.
I don’t know the ins and outs of that, but have not seen hand car washes in France whilst working there, before retiring.
Merkel saying Germany is open is not speaking for other countries in the EU.
As I said, seen from outside the EU is all separate countries with different immigration policies.
Or are you saying that the EU should be more integrated in immigration policy?