For a party that didnt exist in the last general election to get nearly half the amount of votes as the Labour party is quite the achievement I’d say.
I suspect they may increase that share in 2029 if the current lot of clowns in charge continue at the rate they are.
Plus lets face it, both Labour and the Tories will always take a proportion of votes from their dyed in the wool hardcores. Those who would vote for a pig if you stuck the relevant rosette on it.
Following on from Trumps campaign theme tune mentioned earlier…, and after Blair’s ‘Things can only get better’ one in the 90s…
After hearing some of the Labour Conference sh.show yesterday, and the blatant avoidance of the illegal…(oops what am I thinking, I meant ‘Irregular’ ) immigrant situation,.I reckon this should be their present theme tune.
This amply sums up their position with the people they are meant to represent.
I suppose as a country we have to be careful what we wish for.
I just looked up the election results and selected London and then the first constituency I clicked randomly. This was the candidate.
This would be the representative in the House of Commons, possibly getting up and making speeches, voting etc.
Did the people that voted Reform really want a Reform government? For me that is one scary thing. A protest vote, okay, but come on.
No doubt this was a real person and he did turn up for the result and everything, but would this be the person you want representing your constituency? The spiel online just looks copy and pasted ffs.
Rather than accept it is brand new, I would argue that RefUK Ltd and UKIP do have a strong relationship. The same leader and the same basic beliefs it seems to me.
In 2015 UKIP had about 3.9 m votes.
In 2024 UKIP has about 6 thousand, but RefUK LTD had just over 4m.
It is untrue to say that all UKIP went to RefUK Ltd but a lot did as shown here:
https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-impact/back-to-the-future-the-similarities-between-2015-ukip-and-2024-reform-uk/
I agree that some will always vote for “their party” no matter what, and that is also true for die-hard Farage fans too.
Malhotra did indeed show up for the count, although one RefUK Ltd candidate, Scott Holman, couldn’t be bothered it seems. (Croydon East).
By putting up more candidates parties can, under the rules, spend more nationally on their campaigns.
Johnson stopped the ability of the Electoral Commission to make prosecutions in cases of suspected fraud in declarations.
Still impressive when up against 2 parties in the Tories and Labour who’ve been around over 100 years.
I think you’ll see more people converting over in the coming years. Opinions on the main 2 parties is at the lowest they’ve ever been amongst their core voter’s. Neither actually stands for what they have traditionally and supposedly represent.
I would actually vote for the Conservatives if they acted and did Conservative things. Sadly at the moment Reform are the only ones resonating with me so they got my vote.
I actually did when Johnson and Brexit was the flavour of the month, and we all know what happened there.
On the other hand I also was taken in by Blair and voted for him…stopped short at Brown though…needless to say.
So this time I went for Reform,.so I suppose I’m a bit mercenary when it comes to voting,.I vote for who/what I think is going to benefit me and mine at the time.
I aint stupid enough to vote for a pig in a rosette because he belongs to ‘‘my party’’, it’s like the family chip shop analogy, best fish and chips in UK, but if they change hands and/or suddenlly become bad, you don’t just keep going back whatever do you out of some pointless and misguided loyalty.
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Or bizzarelly in Politics some actually do,no matter how crap their party turns out, they keep defending and voting for them.
Isn’t that the reason he was brought in to speak?
For me, YouTube is for music or TV entertainment, it is not a source of “news” or “political information”, consequently I didn’t watch that video, nor do I watch the various GB News YT vids that keep cropping up.
Just as well, because I do not believe I have ever used that word. I can find plenty of other, less provocative, but no less accurate, words to describe the offerings of RefUK and GB News
I don’t know, I didn’t watch the video, nor would I watch any video featuring a “Reality TV celebrity”. To watch that offering is in essence to “subscribe” to the views of Ref UK, which is only possible if one (a) believes that Brexit was a good thing, and (b) can put aside the glaringly obvious con-man attributes of Big Nige.
In the words of Hall and Oates, “I can’t go for that, no can do”
You like what he says, therefore you believe that makes him representative of a wider audience than just yourself. And that comment is not just aimed at you, I voice the same sentiments in conversations I have with my almost-17 year old son, who is avidly political, but of a completely different persuasion.
It’s just confirmational bias in action.
I can excuse him being sensitive to too much right wing politics, considering the first item on his menu as a new PM was moronic right-wing motivated rioting, based on fake news on the internet. Other European leaders are equally snesitive to the resurgence of the far-right, Starmer, Macron and Scholz, the heads of (arguably) the most infuential European countries, all have the same concerns.
I can easily understand why there is a resurgence in (far) right wing sentiments, but the problem is (and I’ve said this previously), it is a very tricky thing to hold and promote right-wing views without looking stupid and hateful - Enoch Powell was a true intellectual, and even he couldn’t pull that off.
This summer’s riots are surely the underlying basis for Farage’s recent comments about RUK needing to become a “grown up” party, leaving “adolescent problems” behind, and being very clear who he didn’t want in his gang:
**Nigel Farage has said “bigots” and “extremists” are not welcome in Reform UK, as he seeks to “professionalise” the party after its election success.
Addressing its annual conference in Birmingham, the Reform UK leader said the party was “coming of age” after winning its first MPs in July.**
Following the election maybe the journos will up their game?
While the process you described worked well in the past, requiring ID adds another layer of security to ensure the person voting is who they claim to be. Polling cards and proof of address can be helpful, but they don’t fully eliminate the possibility of impersonation or fraud. Voter ID ensures that the individual casting the ballot is the registered voter.
Regarding older people and ID, it’s not that age prevents someone from having an ID, but rather that older individuals may face difficulties in acquiring or renewing certain types of identification. Many don’t drive anymore or may not need other forms of ID regularly, which can make the process more complicated for them.
The goal is to strike a balance between preventing fraud and ensuring that everyone who has the right to vote can do so without excessive obstacles.[https://beautymemba.com/]
From the Electoral Commission:
“In the past 5 years, there is no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud.
Of the 1,462 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2019 and 2023, 11 led to convictions and the police issued 4 cautions.”
And Rees-Mogg, with his opinion on the introduction of voter ID
Why would the reason they got him to speak would be because he was a…as you put it ‘a hard man’?
They got him because he spoke downright common sense and truth fluently and intellectually, and just happened to be a …‘hard man’.
As I said taking party politics out of it, nobody without any common sense , logic,…or agenda, can refute many of his points, one being the fact that letting unidentified criminals into our society, who have no respect for our culture or law, is going to have an adverse effect, either short or long term, but on other hand allowing legal immigration of people who are individually enhancing that society is more than acceptable.
And as an island, our navy whose job it is to protect our shore from invasion (or in this case invasion by stealth) are not being allowed to do their job…to name 2 of his points.
But as you said you never watched the vid, which is fair enough,.I watch very little of the lefty biased crap that Franglais posts, but as I said,.this was more common sense and logic than party politics…despite it being a party political conference source.
I share your hatred of reality tv ‘celebrities’ btw, the ones who’s only claim to fame is shag ing half the female population of Essex for instance, but the type that this guy is involved in are the old fashioned adventourous ‘documentary’ type programmes, entirely different genre.
Like re.enacting the role and reactiond of Bligh on mutiny on the Bounty, climbing Everest, and SAS selection training…a complete and utterly different genre, and actual entertainment…why I said 'watch the clip without predjudice.
I get the ‘moronic right wing’ riot reference, but I maintain that many were dissilusioned protestors that were joined by those types as an excuse for violence, that got severely out of hand, with the result of all being tarred by the same brush.
But yet we heard little or nothing of the counter protests and riots from the other side.
I am all for acknowleging and obeying the law, but a consistent law that applies to everyone in the same way and the same consequences…not a selective, or dare I say 2 tier law or society.
Your interpretation of far right politics is basically correct, but to just sit back rather than speak out about genuine and delicate issues that grossly affect the safety and security of our state, is nothing more than appeasement…which never works,
And despite the gross unsubstantiated insult our mate chucked at me (no I wont LET IT GO) I deplore racism, which is how most of it is interpreted conveniently and inevitably by the servile and the naive members on the left wing bandwagon,.who are mostly resposible for the state we are now in.
Please excuse layout spelling and grammar…I wrote this in a mad rush.
Here we go again.
You clearly single out a racial group:
"But the only type who offend me personally (‘‘offend’’ loosely speaking I must add, more irritate ) are white indingenous British converts to Islam "
for special comment.
That is the very definition of racism!
Ok right…I cant say what I want to say on here describing 'the very definition of YOU mate, or you will run to the mods and get me banned…or accuse me of bullying you (again )
Suffice to say we see again the pseudo bravado in a snivelling weasel style, of someone who would not day boo to a goose in real life, but displays an aura of the big ‘I am’ on here.
You are an embarrasment and display the sympyoms of ‘Small man syndrome’.
In a way I feel sorry for you mate with your obvious issues.
If my attitude of perceived racism is against indigenous white people, who feel the need to turn to a primitive religion, that makes me racist towards my own kind…kinda don’t work that way does it.
I’ll assume that is a genuine question rather than faux ingenue done for effect, as that’s not your normal style, and I’m thinking you probably haven’t studied any type of psychology.
There are people who admire “hard men” characters, the right wing especially. It’s a common strategy (in politics and the business world) to create a “simulated threat” to manipulate people - such as ignoring normal social boundaries, invading personal space etc. It’s a simulated domination tactic designed to test for weakness. Have you never seen people lean into a conversation when they’re trying to get you to see things their way?
American business practices are notoriously aggressive, this is why US companies favour tall males, for subtle psychological “threat” impact. Even something as simple a a smile is laden with threat/dominance implications: Most land mammals bear their teeth as a threat implication, our closest relatives (chimpanzees) have evolved a “fear grin” response which indicates submission.
So… Take some alpha male “celebrity”, known for “toughness”, get him to deliver your message, no doubt complete with a range of body language cues (eg, things like leaning into a conversation), backed up by well-documented training in mental and physical strategies for instantly dominating and controlling any situation, and Bob’s your Uncle.
Same reason they got Vinnie Jones to front a CPR campaign
(i) That’s just your subjective interpretation of him, it’s not an objective reality
(ii) Like I said, anyone known for being a “Reality TV Celebrity” is totally off my radar and doesn’t get my time of day.
(iii) That goes double for “Reality TV Celebrities” who align their self with Farage, and Tice et al, Tice having all of Farage’s bad points but none of his charm, and credit where it’s due, Farage does come across pleasantly, he’s always been eminently watchable on HIGNFY.
When he’s speaking at a party conference it’s impossible to separate party politics from the speaker. If someone made a speech at Durham Miner’s Gala you could not pretend that they weren’t a staunch leftist.
More down to earth, imagine someone is talking to you about football, think about how you might engage with him
Now imagine he’s doing that while wearing a Sunderland shirt 
Game changer? Of course it is.
All “reality TV” is the same kind of crepe in my eyes, it doesn’t matter to me if its aimed at run-of-the-mill airheads or Armchair Commandos, it doesn’t grace my TV screen. I only watch about an hour a day of any type of televisual entertainment, and when I do I’m usually looking for well-crafted drama with great characters (Slow Horses being a current favourite).
I might have time for what he might have to say if it was in a more neutral presentation, a proper documentary analysis, devoid of links to other people, especially people who carry “baggage”.
Let’s be honest, we can put 95-99% of the blame for the rioting down to social media: From the moronic bint that posted the fake news in the first place - 55 year old Bonnie (aka Bernie) Spofforth of Cheshire - to the bussed-in organized “protesters” from areas far removed from Southport, to the many others who saw it on social media and took it as opportunity for “a day out”, even taking children to it as a kind of “event” (multiple brain-dead morons from all across the north east region, not worth repeating their names).
At no point was this a genuine protest, and as far as I can see, no one actually cared about the innocent victims, who were disgracefully used as some kind of totem, and whose horrific murders became a distant second-place to the outpouring of blatant hatred (at a fictitious person).
To be sure, the current government need to get a very hard grip on the whole problem, not just the garbage on the internet, but people’s disregard for law and order, and this idea that the UK is “the place to be”, but FFS… start with the people-smugglers behind it all.
We’ve got GCHQ, Interpol and who knows who else: All of Europe should be on board with eliminating (and I mean all uses of that word) the criminals at the root of the problem. The BBC managed to track one down, I don’t see why the authorities can’t do the same.
‘‘More down to earth,’’
No you are correct I have not actively studied psychology…
But hey thanks for bringing stuff 'down to earth…and down to ‘‘my level’’ to enable me to understand.
FFS… Did I one day get so totally rat-are-sed I married you in some drunken ceremony that I’ve obliterated from my memory? Because you remind me of my ex-wife, everything I say, no matter how I say it, is somehow wrong. I’d better go and check I haven’t left the toilet seat up
Well done, Baroness Sayeedi Warsi !
She has resigned the Tory whip in the Upper House.
Rumours she is to follow Anderson into RefUK Ltd are probably untrue… 
Maybe it’s just your manner eh?.
Or maybe me and your ex Mrs are right and you are wrong.
Who knows?
Who cares?
Another mystery of life.
Btw as flattered as I am (I think) …Nah deffo wasnt me,.I would have turned down your proposal, but I aint ‘that way’ inclined anyhow tbh.
Anyhoo… just to backtrack (and maybe back pedal a bit) I read your post and replied to it this morning, not in best of mood, and while in a mad rush,…and after getting pi55ed off and replying to that kin clown Franglais.
So…just read your post back, in cold light of day, relaxed in my bunk, night heater on, with a beer and a warm sense of security with the rain hammering on the cab roof, …and I came to the conclusion that maybe I was a bit too quick to jump, and got it/you wrong, it maybe wasnt ever so slightly patronising after all…
