ROG:
There is a senario …
Driver has already taken a 15 min break after 3 hours of driving and the has to wait say 1 hour before doing a 5 hour drive back to base
If that driver uses break instead of POA for that 1 hour then they will need a 45 break to complete the last 5 hours of driving
If they use poa then they only need a 30 min break for the 5 hours because 15 + 30 will cover them
Using the 1 hour as break means they are delayed getting back by 15 mins
I’ve been reading and re-reading this post trying to figure it out but to no avail I’m afraid.
What I cant seem to grasp is the bit in red. How is it possible to drive for 5 hours with only a 30 min break?
ROG:
There is a senario … Driver has already taken a 15 min break after 3 hours of driving and the has to wait say 1 hour before doing a 5 hour drive back to base
If that driver uses break instead of POA for that 1 hour then they will need a 45 break to complete the last 5 hours of driving
If they use poa then they only need a 30 min break for the 5 hours because 15 + 30 will cover them
Using the 1 hour as break means they are delayed getting back by 15 mins
I’ve been reading and re-reading this post trying to figure it out but to no avail I’m afraid.
What I cant seem to grasp is the bit in red. How is it possible to drive for 5 hours with only a 30 min break?
TIA
The driver has already had the first part of a split break so on the 5 hour return journey he will only need a 30 minute break to reset the driving time.
ROG:
There is a senario … Driver has already taken a 15 min break after 3 hours of driving and the has to wait say 1 hour before doing a 5 hour drive back to base
If that driver uses break instead of POA for that 1 hour then they will need a 45 break to complete the last 5 hours of driving
If they use poa then they only need a 30 min break for the 5 hours because 15 + 30 will cover them
Using the 1 hour as break means they are delayed getting back by 15 mins
I’ve been reading and re-reading this post trying to figure it out but to no avail I’m afraid.
What I cant seem to grasp is the bit in red. How is it possible to drive for 5 hours with only a 30 min break?
TIA
The driver has already had the first part of a split break so on the 5 hour return journey he will only need a 30 minute break to reset the driving time.
I get that the overhead unit reset after the 30 min break but would I be right in thinking then that the driver will be driving for 5 hours with less than a 45 min break?
If the drive back to base takes 5 hours I am confused as to how 30 mins is enough break within that 5 hour period?
Apologise if I’m missing something really obvious…
m1cks:
Because the driver will have to stop before 4.5 of the 5 hours is complete
Example 2 hours driving then the 30 mins rest (driving time reset) and then the remaining 3 hours to base
Yes. But this example still has the driver driving for 5 hours with less than a 45 min break. I do understand that the tacho unit will reset itself but I thought you couldnt drive for more than 4.5 hours without a combined 15 + 30 or a 45
ROG:
There is a senario … Driver has already taken a 15 min break after 3 hours of driving and the has to wait say 1 hour before doing a 5 hour drive back to base
If that driver uses break instead of POA for that 1 hour then they will need a 45 break to complete the last 5 hours of driving
If they use poa then they only need a 30 min break for the 5 hours because 15 + 30 will cover them
Using the 1 hour as break means they are delayed getting back by 15 mins
I’ve been reading and re-reading this post trying to figure it out but to no avail I’m afraid.
What I cant seem to grasp is the bit in red. How is it possible to drive for 5 hours with only a 30 min break?
TIA
The driver has already had the first part of a split break so on the 5 hour return journey he will only need a 30 minute break to reset the driving time.
I get that the overhead unit reset after the 30 min break but would I be right in thinking then that the driver will be driving for 5 hours with less than a 45 min break?
If the drive back to base takes 5 hours I am confused as to how 30 mins is enough break within that 5 hour period?
Apologise if I’m missing something really obvious…
If you’ve had a 15 minute break as the first part of a split break it’s perfectly legal to drive for 5 hours with just a 30 minute break.
Look at it this way, legally you could drive for 1 minutes then have a 15 minute break, drive for another 4 hours 29 minutes then have a 30 minute break (resetting the driving time) then drive for another 4½ hours, that’s 8 hours 59 minutes driving with just a 30 minute break and perfectly legal.
I’m not saying it’s a good idea just that it’s legal
And that’s the reason why the second break of a split break must be a minimum of 30 minutes.
If not, tachographs example could see a driver doing 8:59 with just a 15 minute break.
m1cks:
Because the driver will have to stop before 4.5 of the 5 hours is complete
Example 2 hours driving then the 30 mins rest (driving time reset) and then the remaining 3 hours to base
Yes. But this example still has the driver driving for 5 hours with less than a 45 min break. I do understand that the tacho unit will reset itself but I thought you couldnt drive for more than 4.5 hours without a combined 15 + 30 or a 45
The tachograph only resets the driving time because the driver has completed a split 45 minute break so his driving time is legally reset.
The regulations changed a few years ago (January 2008 I think it was), before the change you could have drivers breaks in 3 segments of 15 minutes, so it was possible to drive for 8 hours 59 minutes with only a 15 minute break.
The rules were changed so that the last part of a split break had to be 30 minutes in an effort to force drivers to have more sensible breaks.
"A driver ‘wipes the slate clean’ if he takes a 45-minute break (or qualifying breaks totalling 45 minutes before or at the end of a 4.5-hour driving period. This means that the next 4.5-hour driving period begins with the completion of that qualifying break, and in assessing break requirements for the new 4.5-hour period, no reference is to be made to driving time accumulated before this point.
The bit in red is where I was wrong. I wrongly believed that the driving time accumulated before completion of the qualifying breaks were to be considered.
well guys I have read over the comments regarding poa and I understand the situation,but as we all know to fully understand the rules u do have to read them over and over and then you do confuse your self , , it does help to read what others read it to the way they are set out cheers,
Yes pleading ignorance will not help you with Beverly (Mrs Bell) to quote her she has heard them all,the best rule in any job if you don’t know all ways ask.
well guys I have read over the comments regarding poa and I understand the situation,but as we all know to fully understand the rules u do have to read them over and over and then you do confuse your self , 
, it does help to read what others read it to the way they are set out cheers,