Hello everyone
Please can somebody put me right here all my previous jobs I have never had to use POA until now, it is my understanding that poa doesn’t count towards a break it just pauses the clock but why does a Stoneridge tachohead treat poa as a break for instance If i drive for 2 hours then do 60 minute as poa the Tacho resets the driving time to 4 and a half hours driving which I know is not right am I missing something
Regards
Digital tachographs wrongly count POA as break, if you use POA you will probably need to keep a record of what driving you’ve done before going onto POA.
All digital tachographs treat POA like this it’s not just Stoneridge tachographs.
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Oh, thanks for clearing that up yes I have been keeping records bit crap though ain’t it surlely an update needs to happen
Badger3009:
Oh, thanks for clearing that up yes I have been keeping records bit crap though ain’t it surlely an update needs to happen
It’s been like it for the past 12 years so don’t expect it to change anytime soon 
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I don’t think it’s a software issue, but tachographs having to deal with times a POA can be considered as a rest or break period. See paragraph 3 & 4 from the RTD Working time below.
Periods of availability
6.—(1) A period shall not be treated as a period of availability unless the mobile worker knows before the start of the relevant period about that period of availability and its reasonably foreseeable duration.
(2) The time spent by a mobile worker, who is working as part of a team, travelling in, but not driving, a moving vehicle as part of that team shall be a period of availability for that mobile worker.
(3) Subject to paragraph (4) a period of availability shall not include a period of rest or a break.
(4) A period of availability may include a break taken by a mobile worker during waiting time or time which is not devoted to driving by the mobile worker and is spent in a moving vehicle, a ferry or a train.
Badger3009:
I have never had to use POA until now,
Why do you have to use POA now 
Stobarts
Badger3009:
Stobarts
Come off it.
After 30 min put it back on other work for a minute or 2 then put it back on POA And repeat
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LostSomeWhere:
After 30 min put it back on other work for a minute or 2 then put it back on POA And repeatSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Alternatively put it on break for the first 45 mins and then poa after that if you must use POA.
Badger3009:
Stobarts
you had the same trainer that told me it was illegal not to use poa then?
i just larfed when he said that…im either working, driving or sleeping.
xamtex:
Badger3009:
Stobartsyou had the same trainer that told me it was illegal not to use poa then?
i just larfed when he said that…im either working, driving or sleeping.
Stobart have trainers [emoji1787]
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Just bang it on break
In Europe, POA is classed as break, that’s how this situation comes about. That’s what I’ve been told
Sploom:
In Europe, POA is classed as break, that’s how this situation comes about. That’s what I’ve been told
No in Europe POA is POA not Break.
The Belgies brought POA into play, as their working week could easily max out as they didn’t get paid for breaks so they could be sat in a bay for hours without pay or they could leave it on work and the overall working hours would mount up.
POA was introduced to show the driver was on duty but not working so he would get paid for the time sat on a bay.
Tachographs are set to recognise the first 45 minutes of POA as a break and whe you download your card that 45 minutes is autmatically shown as rest on the software (ask the person who montoris your hours to shpw you a record when you have done over 45 mins POA and you can see this). Enforcement Officers recognise this and when looking at a drivers record will automatically assume the first 45 mins as rest instead of POA. It is very useful when doubling cabbing as when ne guy is driving the other gets his rest in without stopping.
This then affects your drivng and WTD hours as it moves the clock further along for you.
Johnny118:
Tachographs are set to recognise the first 45 minutes of POA as a break and whe you download your card that 45 minutes is autmatically shown as rest on the software (ask the person who montoris your hours to shpw you a record when you have done over 45 mins POA and you can see this). Enforcement Officers recognise this and when looking at a drivers record will automatically assume the first 45 mins as rest instead of POA. It is very useful when doubling cabbing as when ne guy is driving the other gets his rest in without stopping.This then affects your drivng and WTD hours as it moves the clock further along for you.
The first 45 mins of POA being accepted as a break only applies when double manning. When a single driver is present you have to record your break as break not POA.
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Johnny118:
Tachographs are set to recognise the first 45 minutes of POA as a break and whe you download your card that 45 minutes is autmatically shown as rest on the software (ask the person who montoris your hours to shpw you a record when you have done over 45 mins POA and you can see this). Enforcement Officers recognise this and when looking at a drivers record will automatically assume the first 45 mins as rest instead of POA. It is very useful when doubling cabbing as when ne guy is driving the other gets his rest in without stopping.This then affects your drivng and WTD hours as it moves the clock further along for you.
Tachographs are set to recognise whatever mode is selected by the driver and for whatever period it is selected for, hence the ability to screw a driver over for incorrect mode.
The problem isn’t the tacho it’s the trucks software inability to accept that POA is not a break, the truck counter will after 15 mins POA class it as a break and even after a 27 min POA period count it as a 15 min break, but the tacho will read 27 mins POA as will the printout.
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Badger3009:
Oh, thanks for clearing that up yes I have been keeping records bit crap though ain’t it surlely an update needs to happenIt’s been like it for the past 12 years so don’t expect it to change anytime soon
Actually Tach, someone has already been done. According to this, the Stoneridge units, since 2014, have an advanced POA mode which lets you choose how POA is counted.
We’re told to use POA when waiting instead of break (their choice and they pay my wages) and yesterday I had a unit which wasn’t resetting my driving time or break requirements when using POA. I found it much better than counting my driving time up and remember breaks etc. I did some googling and came across this thread and that article.
Fleets can now benefit from an advanced Period of Availability (POA) mode, allowing drivers to set how POA should be counted, giving them a more accurate view of their break and rest time. This will not only put drivers in control but will ensure they make best use of their working day.
Not sure if it needs to be set at calibration. If so then it’s a waste fo time as companies won’t care.
I think you’ll find double manning has a lot to do with this as you can’t take a break on the move so POA does the trick