when I was doing it a scotch with a load of steel was paying £350 ish…pigeons £750 ish…
Harry Monk:
I’m not so sure that it is that simple. The OP talks about the vehicle being used around twenty times a year, and so almost certainly it will cost far more to own than it would ever earn, even if people did contribute towards the cost of the diesel. That being the case, I would say that it wasn’t being used in connection with a trade or business, since the whole point of trading is to make a profit.
He’s transporting stuff for other people just because it’s not going to be profitable does not mean it’s exempt, Working on your theory of non profit most trucks running For likes of Barron wood etc do not need a O licnece !
I am a pigeon fancier as well as a driver.If the lorry is owned by the fanciers you dont need a o/p licence or tacho but if it is owned by a individual you need the lot i only know this because i was stopped in Dorset by vosa we was o.k the one in front of us wasnt
bluecheq27:
I am a pigeon fancier as well as a driver.If the lorry is owned by the fanciers you dont need a o/p licence or tacho but if it is owned by a individual you need the lot i only know this because i was stopped in Dorset by vosa we was o.k the one in front of us wasnt
That seems a bit odd given owning and using as a private individual is generally the least regulated ie general public hiring 7.5t to move house need no operator’s licence. I would have said tacho will be a must over 7.5t regardless of the operator’s licence situation.
My advice would be register as a charity. We have looked after charity’s trucks in the past and they have had no o-licence. They have had max interval maintenance inspections but I would think this was down to looking like they’re doing thing’s properly, I would doubt there is a legal obligation to maintenance inspections once you are outside the o-licencing regime.
Strawgalore:
Harry Monk:
I’m not so sure that it is that simple. The OP talks about the vehicle being used around twenty times a year, and so almost certainly it will cost far more to own than it would ever earn, even if people did contribute towards the cost of the diesel. That being the case, I would say that it wasn’t being used in connection with a trade or business, since the whole point of trading is to make a profit.He’s transporting stuff for other people just because it’s not going to be profitable does not mean it’s exempt, Working on your theory of non profit most trucks running For likes of Barron wood etc do not need a O licnece !
As above, it is important. Charities are exempt - or were the last time we looked after their trucks. The profit motive or intent to profit is as Harry states and important issue. A big element of consideration with a standard national licence is the competition element.
It is always worth approaching VOSA for advice setting out why you believe the circumstances are exempt and see how weighty what/if they counter with that you shouldn’t be. Post self-funding there’s an incentive for them to ■■■■ as many victims into the o-licencing regime as possible.
Would it not be easier and cheaper to use a demountable box that would fit onto a standard flatbed truck, like the straw merchants use when they move cattle. Just have an agreement with a local haulier and agree the dates you would need them to transport the box for you. You won’t have a truck sitting idle costing you money while going rusty.
Just an idea…
there is a firm in the preston area that move pigeons about, Chris catterall pigeon transport ltd, if my memory is correct, many years ago his trucks had some work done at mackworth bodyworks, one vehicle was like a converted bus
not that this helps the o/p but I remember at the time being told how much some of these feathered rats were worth, so however you move the things you may need some good goods in transit cover!
Do pigeon fanciers still have stickers in the car window ,my ■■■■■ a winner,pigeon fanciers do it in their lofts ,and with their birds ?