Pickfords Heavy Haulage

Looking through pages of the ‘‘Old Time’’ theme, the seems to have been very little posted in respect of Pickfords Heavy Haulage. There cannot ever have been a company in that sphere of the industry, which had a comparable UK geographic coverage, or as large a customer base. Many ex employees must still living to tell the tale, a tale which, if not noted through the medium of these pages, will remain untold.
So I am starting the process here, and hope many will follow with their memories of the vehicles, management, drivers and depots , and even customers, which made up the whole.
I joined Pickfords on 25th May 1959 from BRS, after an interview with the Chief Heavy Haulage Manager, Mr J.N.Drummond, at 52, Bedford Row, London WC1. The two things I most recall, were the bundles of Documents spread around the office, and the fact that he appeared to be wearing bike clips ! He telephoned Park Royal, the nearest depot to where I lived at Southall, as to their then current staffing level, and grilled me quite intensely, with regard to my reasons for wanting to transfer from BRS. The Park Royal depot was located in Coronation Road, and the vehicle allocation at the time was as follows ;-
Fleet Nos M 1009 and M 1011, PUC 473 and 475, Scammell Constructor 6x6 ballasted tractors, with TM 451, a Crane 6 axle 24 wheeled beam trailer, I would think with a carrying capacity of around 180 tons, although I cannot be sure of this. Park Royal had no responsibility to control, or find work for this beast, since it was one of a number of like vehicles based around the country, but operated by Stratford, East London depot, (Formerly Rudd’s) under what they called, the Heavy Loads Programme. The crew were drivers Eddie Carr and Jack Higgins, mates Weeks and Steadman, and steersman Grossett. Park Royal was in fact, just a place to park the outfit, and to alter the position of the beams, commensurate with it’s next load. This was the time of a large power station construction programme, and most loads were transformers and generators from manufacturers throughout the UK, to the required locations.
Fleet No M 1828, UXC 614, Scammell Constructor 6x4 ballasted tractor, with TM 611, a Crane 45/60ton drawbar, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver George Wright and mate Gartell.
Fleet No M 750, NGF 120, Scammell 35ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM721, a Crane 20ft well 2 axle, 8 wheeled, drawbar low loader. Crew were Bill Cook and mate Williams.
Fleet No M1846, UXA 723, Scammell 25ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM 478, a Crane 20ft well, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver Ben Mann and mate Mansfield.
Fleet Nos M102 and 98, HYH15 and 16, 20ton Scammell artic units, with TM 153 and 155, Scammell 4 in line, 20ft well low loaders. Crews were drivers Sid Sinnett and Tommy Ware, and mates Higgins and Harris.
Fleet No M 2164, VXR659, a 15ton Scammell unit, with Scammell 4 in line, 16ft well low loader. Driver was George Gale.
Fleet Nos M 802 and 879, NYN 939 and 943, 10ton S type Bedford petrol units, with TM 524 and 528, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Fred Brandon and Bill Lyons.
Fleet Nos M 1593 and 2014, TYX505 and VGN676, 10ton Commer two stroke units, with TM703 and 746, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Tidman and Fred Green.
Fleet No M799, NUC 865, was a 5ton Morris Commercial, with a sided body, used as a tackle wagon.
TM50 and 51, were a pair of Crane 18ft long x 3ft 6in high drawbar trailers,15tons capacity.
TM407 was a 25ft long x 3ft 3 in high flat drawbar trailer, only 8tons capacity.
There were 3 mobile cranes, 2 Ransomes & Rapiers, EXC298 and SLP99, and a 25ton Coles Lorry Mounted VGN652. Drivers were Keen, Clark and Hicks.
The rest of the manual staff comprised of two machine moving gangs, each of foreman and two men. Foreman Percy Wright had messrs Green and Rayne, whilsy foreman Fred Greenwood, had Edwards and Kean. In Percy Wrights gang, Green drove the tackle wagon, whilst Fred Greenwood usually had the use of M1593, because Tidman refused to do long distance work!
The yard man, who cleaned up and made the tea (very frequently!) was a Geordie named Hope.
The Depot manager was Tom Jones, traffic operator Charlie Roberts, plus a cashier, lady typist, female office junior, and then me!
Other depots in operation at the time, were as follows:-
Barrow in Furness. Hindpool Road. Operated 1 vehicle only! Main customer Vickers Shipbuilding.
Birmingham. Wood Lane, Erdington. Main customer, GEC Witton.
Birtley. Durham Road. Main customers, CA Parsons, Coles Cranes, Swan Hunter. Manager Eddie Milne
Bristol. Main customer Strachan & Henshaw
Cardiff. Newport Road
Derby. Alfreton Road. Main customer International Combustion.
Edinburgh. Main customer Bruce Peebles
Exeter. Manager Jack Crwys
Glasgow. 2600, London Road, Carmyle. Manager Mr Irving
Hull. Main customers, Priestman Bros and Holmpress Piling.
Ipswich. Wright Road. Main customer Ransomes & Rapier.
Leeds. Gelderd Road
Leicester. Blaby Wharf, Glen Parva. Main customers, GEC Whetstone.
Lincoln. Ropewalk. Main customers, Ruston Bucyrus, Ruston & Hornsby. Manager Stan Crawford.
Liverpool
Manchester. unknown, later moved to Spindle Point, Kearsley, Bolton. Main customer AEI, Wythenshaw. Ferranti, Hollingwood.
Peterborough, Peterborough Road, Whittlesey. Main customers, Peter Brotherhood, Baker Perkins. Manager Maurice Clarke.
Preston. Chorley Road, Walton le Dale.
Rugby, Market Street. Main customer GEC
Sheffield. Brightside Lane. Main customers Davy United, Newton Chambers. Manager Ted Fitzpatrick.
Southampton. Manager Desmond Bull.
Stafford. Common Road. Main customer GEC.
Stockton.
Stratford. 68/74, High Street, E.15. Main customer, Hackbridge Transformers. Manager Mr Mcean
Walsall. Pleck Road
Additional depots were later opened at Luton and Orpington.

Will amend and add further detail when memory allows! Where have given no address, customers or manager, cannot presently recall. Time and other’s comments, may bring further information to post.

I was at Sheffield depot 67 to 75 and my dad was there from 49/50 to the depot closing except for a round 4 years around 65 to 69 when he had transferred to BRS Staniforth Road and he transferred back. I started mating Cliff Lowther who was on the super Constructor and then a contractor pulling the 32 wheel solid tyre trailer for 8 or 9 months then I was driving spare driver at first then a bedford artic which I was hardly ever on as there were a couple of drivers on long term sick so I was 25 ton scammells box tractors or artics I then got a Atkinson viewline which I drove for around 4 years and when I left my dad Jock had it and he retired when the depot closed down. Ted Fitzpatrick was the manager but he was promoted to northern area heavy haulage manager and Mick Irvine came in as manager who was the son of the Glasgow manager. The biggest customer was English Steel Corporation an Firth Brown, Cravens and Snow Grinding machines were also company’s who we worked for regularly.

cheers Johnnie :wink:

The big fella on the right(Keith Andrews) started his career in tranport at the Birtley depot of Pickfords. I worked with him in the nineties at Fjordline/Colorline, out of North Shields. Regards kevmac47.

Kev, you said big, You must be getting short of lamp oil man, This blokes bigger than big & looks good with it, You better have a few more of your tipples just to relax you, in the Irish Mist, Eh See You at the next whiskey tasting, Eh Rock on The Malters, Regards Larry.

Lawrence Dunbar:
Kev, you said big, You must be getting short of lamp oil man, This blokes bigger than big & looks good with it, You better have a few more of your tipples just to relax you, in the Irish Mist, Eh See You at the next whiskey tasting, Eh Rock on The Malters, Regards Larry.

Larry, he was a great bloke to work for, ( he ran Fjord Line). He now works for LV Shipping on Teeside, I think he is a manager there. By the way Larry, this will be the first Paddy’s day for years I WONT be having a drop of the Irish Nectar, I’m getting a headache!!! my halo must be too tight :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: . I’m sure I will be cured of this stupidity before the next “do”. Regards Kev.

I worked for a company Parkin and Hall.Ted Parkin and George Hall both worked for Pickfords out of the Leeds depot,before they left to start up there own firm machinary moving.

Hermit:
Looking through pages of the ‘‘Old Time’’ theme, the seems to have been very little posted in respect of Pickfords Heavy Haulage. There cannot ever have been a company in that sphere of the industry, which had a comparable UK geographic coverage, or as large a customer base. Many ex employees must still living to tell the tale, a tale which, if not noted through the medium of these pages, will remain untold.
So I am starting the process here, and hope many will follow with their memories of the vehicles, management, drivers and depots , and even customers, which made up the whole.
I joined Pickfords on 25th May 1959 from BRS, after an interview with the Chief Heavy Haulage Manager, Mr J.N.Drummond, at 52, Bedford Row, London WC1. The two things I most recall, were the bundles of Documents spread around the office, and the fact that he appeared to be wearing bike clips ! He telephoned Park Royal, the nearest depot to where I lived at Southall, as to their then current staffing level, and grilled me quite intensely, with regard to my reasons for wanting to transfer from BRS. The Park Royal depot was located in Coronation Road, and the vehicle allocation at the time was as follows ;-
Fleet Nos M 1009 and M 1011, PUC 473 and 475, Scammell Constructor 6x6 ballasted tractors, with TM 451, a Crane 6 axle 24 wheeled beam trailer, I would think with a carrying capacity of around 180 tons, although I cannot be sure of this. Park Royal had no responsibility to control, or find work for this beast, since it was one of a number of like vehicles based around the country, but operated by Stratford, East London depot, (Formerly Rudd’s) under what they called, the Heavy Loads Programme. The crew were drivers Eddie Carr and Jack Higgins, mates Weeks and Steadman, and steersman Grossett. Park Royal was in fact, just a place to park the outfit, and to alter the position of the beams, commensurate with it’s next load. This was the time of a large power station construction programme, and most loads were transformers and generators from manufacturers throughout the UK, to the required locations.
Fleet No M 1828, UXC 614, Scammell Constructor 6x4 ballasted tractor, with TM 611, a Crane 45/60ton drawbar, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver George Wright and mate Gartell.
Fleet No M 750, NGF 120, Scammell 35ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM721, a Crane 20ft well 2 axle, 8 wheeled, drawbar low loader. Crew were Bill Cook and mate Williams.
Fleet No M1846, UXA 723, Scammell 25ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM 478, a Crane 20ft well, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver Ben Mann and mate Mansfield.
Fleet Nos M102 and 98, HYH15 and 16, 20ton Scammell artic units, with TM 153 and 155, Scammell 4 in line, 20ft well low loaders. Crews were drivers Sid Sinnett and Tommy Ware, and mates Higgins and Harris.
Fleet No M 2164, VXR659, a 15ton Scammell unit, with Scammell 4 in line, 16ft well low loader. Driver was George Gale.
Fleet Nos M 802 and 879, NYN 939 and 943, 10ton S type Bedford petrol units, with TM 524 and 528, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Fred Brandon and Bill Lyons.
Fleet Nos M 1593 and 2014, TYX505 and VGN676, 10ton Commer two stroke units, with TM703 and 746, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Tidman and Fred Green.
Fleet No M799, NUC 865, was a 5ton Morris Commercial, with a sided body, used as a tackle wagon.
TM50 and 51, were a pair of Crane 18ft long x 3ft 6in high drawbar trailers,15tons capacity.
TM407 was a 25ft long x 3ft 3 in high flat drawbar trailer, only 8tons capacity.
There were 3 mobile cranes, 2 Ransomes & Rapiers, EXC298 and SLP99, and a 25ton Coles Lorry Mounted VGN652. Drivers were Keen, Clark and Hicks.
The rest of the manual staff comprised of two machine moving gangs, each of foreman and two men. Foreman Percy Wright had messrs Green and Rayne, whilsy foreman Fred Greenwood, had Edwards and Kean. In Percy Wrights gang, Green drove the tackle wagon, whilst Fred Greenwood usually had the use of M1593, because Tidman refused to do long distance work!
The yard man, who cleaned up and made the tea (very frequently!) was a Geordie named Hope.
The Depot manager was Tom Jones, traffic operator Charlie Roberts, plus a cashier, lady typist, female office junior, and then me!
Other depots in operation at the time, were as follows:-
Barrow in Furness. Hindpool Road. Operated 1 vehicle only! Main customer Vickers Shipbuilding.
Birmingham. Wood Lane, Erdington. Main customer, GEC Witton.
Birtley. Durham Road. Main customers, CA Parsons, Coles Cranes, Swan Hunter. Manager Eddie Milne
Bristol. Main customer Strachan & Henshaw
Cardiff. Newport Road
Derby. Alfreton Road. Main customer International Combustion.
Edinburgh. Main customer Bruce Peebles
Exeter. Manager Jack Crwys
Glasgow. 2600, London Road, Carmyle. Manager Mr Irving
Hull. Main customers, Priestman Bros and Holmpress Piling.
Ipswich. Wright Road. Main customer Ransomes & Rapier.
Leeds. Gelderd Road
Leicester. Blaby Wharf, Glen Parva. Main customers, GEC Whetstone.
Lincoln. Ropewalk. Main customers, Ruston Bucyrus, Ruston & Hornsby. Manager Stan Crawford.
Liverpool
Manchester. unknown, later moved to Spindle Point, Kearsley, Bolton. Main customer AEI, Wythenshaw. Ferranti, Hollingwood.
Peterborough, Peterborough Road, Whittlesey. Main customers, Peter Brotherhood, Baker Perkins. Manager Maurice Clarke.
Preston. Chorley Road, Walton le Dale.
Rugby, Market Street. Main customer GEC
Sheffield. Brightside Lane. Main customers Davy United, Newton Chambers. Manager Ted Fitzpatrick.
Southampton. Manager Desmond Bull.
Stafford. Common Road. Main customer GEC.
Stockton.
Stratford. 68/74, High Street, E.15. Main customer, Hackbridge Transformers. Manager Mr Mcean
Walsall. Pleck Road
Additional depots were later opened at Luton and Orpington.

Will amend and add further detail when memory allows! Where have given no address, customers or manager, cannot presently recall. Time and other’s comments, may bring further information to post.

Hi Hermit, Er"s a couple of old Work Horses Atki Ballasted Tractors, found em on"t net, in a qyuarry somewhere? Ex Pickfords? Cheers Chris.

Ex Pickford Atkis Ballast Tractors.JPG

sammyopisite:
I was at Sheffield depot 67 to 75 and my dad was there from 49/50 to the depot closing except for a round 4 years around 65 to 69 when he had transferred to BRS Staniforth Road and he transferred back. I started mating Cliff Lowther who was on the super Constructor and then a contractor pulling the 32 wheel solid tyre trailer for 8 or 9 months then I was driving spare driver at first then a bedford artic which I was hardly ever on as there were a couple of drivers on long term sick so I was 25 ton scammells box tractors or artics I then got a Atkinson viewline which I drove for around 4 years and when I left my dad Jock had it and he retired when the depot closed down. Ted Fitzpatrick was the manager but he was promoted to northern area heavy haulage manager and Mick Irvine came in as manager who was the son of the Glasgow manager. The biggest customer was English Steel Corporation an Firth Brown, Cravens and Snow Grinding machines were also company’s who we worked for regularly.

cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hi sammyopisite, bet you will remember this old girl e"h M7052 Cheers Chris. Believe it"s a Samson?.

rare Scammell Samson M7052 Pickfords Sheffield.JPG

CJA1:

sammyopisite:
I was at Sheffield depot 67 to 75 and my dad was there from 49/50 to the depot closing except for a round 4 years around 65 to 69 when he had transferred to BRS Staniforth Road and he transferred back. I started mating Cliff Lowther who was on the super Constructor and then a contractor pulling the 32 wheel solid tyre trailer for 8 or 9 months then I was driving spare driver at first then a bedford artic which I was hardly ever on as there were a couple of drivers on long term sick so I was 25 ton scammells box tractors or artics I then got a Atkinson viewline which I drove for around 4 years and when I left my dad Jock had it and he retired when the depot closed down. Ted Fitzpatrick was the manager but he was promoted to northern area heavy haulage manager and Mick Irvine came in as manager who was the son of the Glasgow manager. The biggest customer was English Steel Corporation an Firth Brown, Cravens and Snow Grinding machines were also company’s who we worked for regularly.

cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hi sammyopisite, bet you will remember this old girl e"h M7052 Cheers Chris. Believe it"s a Samson?.

Hi Chris I certainly do recall her but she was in dark blue when I left, I drove her quite a bit and it was as big a jump from my Atki viewline to her as it was coming off of a Scammell Highwayman all those gears after straight 6s :laughing: at the time it was way beyond anything else on heavy haulage and I am sure it was the only one ever built but I remember some Scammell blokes coming to Sheffield with some people from New Zealand to look around her as they were on about ordering some for their cattle transport roadtrains. The trailer was a Crane which was rated for 60 tons payload but several jobs were well over that as one job I did was supposed to be 58 tons and it turned out to 78 tons when we tipped it. Thanks for the picture
cheers Johnnie :wink:

Pickfords Heavy Haulage is probably my favourite heavy haulage company,and every time I saw a Pickfords Scammell Heavy Haulage Ballast Road Locomotive it produced instant EXCITEMENT! :exclamation: :smiley: But then again,so too did other Pickfords road locomotives and tractive units made by Scammell,Atkinson,MAN,et al.

BRS Group Employee Welcome Booklet 1960’s British Road Services Pickford etc:-
worthpoint.com/worthopedia/b … -313072048

Here are some Pickfords Scammell ballast road locomotive and tractive unit photographs:-
Scammell Samson 8x4 75 Tonne GTW Tractive Unit,EYF 886J,in Pickfords livery,no.M7052,portrayed in a
beautiful portrait-painting in a Scammell Lorries Limited advertisement:-
flickr.com/photos/62532775@N … 53751@N06/

Scammell Super Constructor 6x6 188 Ton* GTW Heavy Haulage Ballast Road Locomotive,WYH 901,Pickfords:-

Scammell Constructor 6x6 188 Ton* GTW Heavy Haulage Ballast Road Locomotive,PUC 475,Pickfords:-

Reference:*Commercial Motor Magazine.

The Scammell Constructor and Super Constructor are beautiful and are the archetypal Scammell models :smiley:

And this photograph shows the archetypal,magnificent and exciting Pickfords Heavy Haulage Outfit:-
Three Scammell Constructor 6x6 Ballast Road Locomotives - one pulling at the front,and two pushing at the rear of the Crane 200 - Ton Capacity Heavy Haulage Drawbar Trailer - transporting a Charles Parsons
Transformer,which weighed 130 tons. Photographed enroute from Liverpool to Ferrybridge at a transport
cafe at Carr Hill,St.Helens,December 1956:-
flickr.com/photos/76043409@N … 53751@N06/

The above Pickfords heavy haulage operation is featured in an article in the wonderful MECCANO Magazine June,1957,on pages 296,297 and 314:-
296:-
meccano.magazines.free.fr/html/1 … 060296.htm

297:-
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314:-
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Keeping to the Scammell theme,by the way,on pages 290 and 291 is the introduction,and review,of
the Dinky Supermodels No.661 Scammell Explorer 6x6 Heavy Recovery Vehicle in British Army livery and form, and this is one of my favourite Dinky models! :exclamation: :smiley: …so much so that I’ve got four examples - so far! :exclamation: :smiley::-

290:-
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291:-
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And a colour advertisement of this wonderful Dinky Scammell Explorer scale model from page BRC 2 of the same edition of the June 1957 MECCANO Magazine:-

meccano.magazines.free.fr/html/1 … 06brc2.htm

VALKYRIE

I remember the Leicester depot in wharf way just off lutterworth rd nr the old county arms pub.
The yard is still there as it was all those years ago, i remember their Scammell crusader 6X4s and extendable semi lowloaders. The transport manager was a good friend of my Grandad who i remember as " Stodge " .
There was also a Depot on Harrowbrook ind’ est in Hinkley. Where i remember them having F7s with those extremely low loaders, then they had FL7s. Always had me confused as to why it was called Pickfords Heavy Haulage, and they had F7s then FL7s… :open_mouth:

sammyopisite:

CJA1:

sammyopisite:
I was at Sheffield depot 67 to 75 and my dad was there from 49/50 to the depot closing except for a round 4 years around 65 to 69 when he had transferred to BRS Staniforth Road and he transferred back. I started mating Cliff Lowther who was on the super Constructor and then a contractor pulling the 32 wheel solid tyre trailer for 8 or 9 months then I was driving spare driver at first then a bedford artic which I was hardly ever on as there were a couple of drivers on long term sick so I was 25 ton scammells box tractors or artics I then got a Atkinson viewline which I drove for around 4 years and when I left my dad Jock had i
080.jpgt and he retired when the depot closed down. Ted Fitzpatrick was the manager but he was promoted to northern area heavy haulage manager and Mick Irvine came in as manager who was the son of the Glasgow manager. The biggest customer was English Steel Corporation an Firth Brown, Cravens and Snow Grinding machines were also company’s who we worked for regularly.

cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hi sammyopisite, bet you will remember this old girl e"h M7052 Cheers Chris. Believe it"s a Samson?.

Hi Chris I certainly do recall her but she was in dark blue when I left, I drove her quite a bit and it was as big a jump from my Atki viewline to her as it was coming off of a Scammell Highwayman all those gears after straight 6s :laughing: at the time it was way beyond anything else on heavy haulage and I am sure it was the only one ever built but I remember some Scammell blokes coming to Sheffield with some people from New Zealand to look around her as they were on about ordering some for their cattle transport roadtrains. The trailer was a Crane which was rated for 60 tons payload but several jobs were well over that as one job I did was supposed to be 58 tons and it turned out to 78 tons when we tipped it. Thanks for the picture
cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hi Johnnie, Found this mate, It"s the same one that I posted 4u but in a colour u will Remember Cheers Chris.

gunnerheskey:
I remember the Leicester depot in wharf way just off lutterworth rd nr the old county arms pub.
The yard is still there as it was all those years ago, i remember their Scammell crusader 6X4s and extendable semi lowloaders. The transport manager was a good friend of my Grandad who i remember as " Stodge " .
There was also a Depot on Harrowbrook ind’ est in Hinkley. Where i remember them having F7s with those extremely low loaders, then they had FL7s. Always had me confused as to why it was called Pickfords Heavy Haulage, and they had F7s then FL7s… :open_mouth:

Hi gunnerheskey would the transport manager be John Potts as he was at Sheffield when I started and took the managers job at Leicester and he then went to A.E.L , the chap who took over from him at Sheffield was Alan Reid who later moved to Heanor Haulage and both were very good at their jobs so it was not a surprise when they were successful after moving on.

cheers Johnnie :wink:

P S it would be good to see if Alan still as the photos he took a he used to go with a lot of loads both in the UK and Europe and he always had his camera. :smiley:

CJA1:

sammyopisite:

CJA1:

sammyopisite:
I was at Sheffield depot 67 to 75 and my dad was there from 49/50 to the depot closing except for a round 4 years around 65 to 69 when he had transferred to BRS Staniforth Road and he transferred back. I started mating Cliff Lowther who was on the super Constructor and then a contractor pulling the 32 wheel solid tyre trailer for 8 or 9 months then I was driving spare driver at first then a bedford artic which I was hardly ever on as there were a couple of drivers on long term sick so I was 25 ton scammells box tractors or artics I then got a Atkinson viewline which I drove for around 4 years and when I left my dad Jock had i0t and he retired when the depot closed down. Ted Fitzpatrick was the manager but he was promoted to northern area heavy haulage manager and Mick Irvine came in as manager who was the son of the Glasgow manager. The biggest customer was English Steel Corporation an Firth Brown, Cravens and Snow Grinding machines were also company’s who we worked for regularly.

cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hi sammyopisite, bet you will remember this old girl e"h M7052 Cheers Chris. Believe it"s a Samson?.

Hi Chris I certainly do recall her but she was in dark blue when I left, I drove her quite a bit and it was as big a jump from my Atki viewline to her as it was coming off of a Scammell Highwayman all those gears after straight 6s :laughing: at the time it was way beyond anything else on heavy haulage and I am sure it was the only one ever built but I remember some Scammell blokes coming to Sheffield with some people from New Zealand to look around her as they were on about ordering some for their cattle transport roadtrains. The trailer was a Crane which was rated for 60 tons payload but several jobs were well over that as one job I did was supposed to be 58 tons and it turned out to 78 tons when we tipped it. Thanks for the picture
cheers Johnnie :wink:

Hi Johnnie, Found this mate, It"s the same one that I posted 4u but in a colour u will Remember Cheers Chris.

Hi Chris thank you, it is imposable to have too many pictures of that wagon :laughing:
cheers Johnnie :wink:

Not have much in the way of pictures from Park Royal days, but here are a few. PUC473, M1009 , was the lead unit (as opposed to PUC475, the pusher) on the beam trailer outfit. This shot was taken on the North Circular Road, and must have been at a bit of a slack time for ‘’ the big truck ‘’ as it was called ! The other shots are UXC614, M1828, on the Great West Road, with a 43RB out of Wests Piling at Colnbrook,(the yard was right opposite Heathrow Airport, at the side of Technicolor), going into London under police ■■■■■■. Apart from the bother of detaching the rear wheels for loading, the tracks of the machine were only as long, as the cab was wide, so it went on cross-carriage. The Met ■■■■■■ can be seen in the last photo…

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Hermit:
1Not have much in the way of pictures from Park Royal days, but here are a few. PUC473, M1009 , was the lead unit (as opposed to PUC475, the pusher) on the beam trailer outfit. This shot was taken on the North Circular Road, and must have been at a bit of a slack time for ‘’ the big truck ‘’ as it was called ! The other shots are UXC614, M1828, on the Great West Road, with a 43RB out of Wests Piling at Colnbrook,(the yard was right opposite Heathrow Airport, at the side of Technicolor), going into London under police ■■■■■■. Apart from the bother of detaching the rear wheels for loading, the tracks of the machine were only as long, as the cab was wide, so it went on cross-carriage. The Met ■■■■■■ can be seen in the last photo…

I would have got shot if I had loaded any Caterpillars or RB’s “side saddle”,in fact taking a D9 less than 5 miles down the road,I did consider
taking it “side saddle”,but the law[escorting] said otherwise,they refused to ■■■■■■ me if I drove it the unconventional way!

David :astonished:

CJA1:

Hermit:
Looking through pages of the ‘‘Old Time’’ theme, the seems to have been very little posted in respect of Pickfords Heavy Haulage. There cannot ever have been a company in that sphere of the industry, which had a comparable UK geographic coverage, or as large a customer base. Many ex employees must still living to tell the tale, a tale which, if not noted through the medium of these pages, will remain untold.
So I am starting the process here, and hope many will follow with their memories of the vehicles, management, drivers and depots , and even customers, which made up the whole.
I joined Pickfords on 25th May 1959 from BRS, after an interview with the Chief Heavy Haulage Manager, Mr J.N.Drummond, at 52, Bedford Row, London WC1. The two things I most recall, were the bundles of Documents spread around the office, and the fact that he appeared to be wearing bike clips ! He telephoned Park Royal, the nearest depot to where I lived at Southall, as to their then current staffing level, and grilled me quite intensely, with regard to my reasons for wanting to transfer from BRS. The Park Royal depot was located in Coronation Road, and the vehicle allocation at the time was as follows ;-
Fleet Nos M 1009 and M 1011, PUC 473 and 475, Scammell Constructor 6x6 ballasted tractors, with TM 451, a Crane 6 axle 24 wheeled beam trailer, I would think with a carrying capacity of around 180 tons, although I cannot be sure of this. Park Royal had no responsibility to control, or find work for this beast, since it was one of a number of like vehicles based around the country, but operated by Stratford, East London depot, (Formerly Rudd’s) under what they called, the Heavy Loads Programme. The crew were drivers Eddie Carr and Jack Higgins, mates Weeks and Steadman, and steersman Grossett. Park Royal was in fact, just a place to park the outfit, and to alter the position of the beams, commensurate with it’s next load. This was the time of a large power station construction programme, and most loads were transformers and generators from manufacturers throughout the UK, to the required locations.
Fleet No M 1828, UXC 614, Scammell Constructor 6x4 ballasted tractor, with TM 611, a Crane 45/60ton drawbar, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver George Wright and mate Gartell.
Fleet No M 750, NGF 120, Scammell 35ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM721, a Crane 20ft well 2 axle, 8 wheeled, drawbar low loader. Crew were Bill Cook and mate Williams.
Fleet No M1846, UXA 723, Scammell 25ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM 478, a Crane 20ft well, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver Ben Mann and mate Mansfield.
Fleet Nos M102 and 98, HYH15 and 16, 20ton Scammell artic units, with TM 153 and 155, Scammell 4 in line, 20ft well low loaders. Crews were drivers Sid Sinnett and Tommy Ware, and mates Higgins and Harris.
Fleet No M 2164, VXR659, a 15ton Scammell unit, with Scammell 4 in line, 16ft well low loader. Driver was George Gale.
Fleet Nos M 802 and 879, NYN 939 and 943, 10ton S type Bedford petrol units, with TM 524 and 528, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Fred Brandon and Bill Lyons.
Fleet Nos M 1593 and 2014, TYX505 and VGN676, 10ton Commer two stroke units, with TM703 and 746, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Tidman and Fred Green.
Fleet No M799, NUC 865, was a 5ton Morris Commercial, with a sided body, used as a tackle wagon.
TM50 and 51, were a pair of Crane 18ft long x 3ft 6in high drawbar trailers,15tons capacity.
TM407 was a 25ft long x 3ft 3 in high flat drawbar trailer, only 8tons capacity.
There were 3 mobile cranes, 2 Ransomes & Rapiers, EXC298 and SLP99, and a 25ton Coles Lorry Mounted VGN652. Drivers were Keen, Clark and Hicks.
The rest of the manual staff comprised of two machine moving gangs, each of foreman and two men. Foreman Percy Wright had messrs Green and Rayne, whilsy foreman Fred Greenwood, had Edwards and Kean. In Percy Wrights gang, Green drove the tackle wagon, whilst Fred Greenwood usually had the use of M1593, because Tidman refused to do long distance work!
The yard man, who cleaned up and made the tea (very frequently!) was a Geordie named Hope.
The Depot manager was Tom Jones, traffic operator Charlie Roberts, plus a cashier, lady typist, female office junior, and then me!
Other depots in operation at the time, were as follows:-
Barrow in Furness. Hindpool Road. Operated 1 vehicle only! Main customer Vickers Shipbuilding.
Birmingham. Wood Lane, Erdington. Main customer, GEC Witton.
Birtley. Durham Road. Main customers, CA Parsons, Coles Cranes, Swan Hunter. Manager Eddie Milne
Bristol. Main customer Strachan & Henshaw
Cardiff. Newport Road
Derby. Alfreton Road. Main customer International Combustion.
Edinburgh. Main customer Bruce Peebles
Exeter. Manager Jack Crwys
Glasgow. 2600, London Road, Carmyle. Manager Mr Irving
Hull. Main customers, Priestman Bros and Holmpress Piling.
Ipswich. Wright Road. Main customer Ransomes & Rapier.
Leeds. Gelderd Road
Leicester. Blaby Wharf, Glen Parva. Main customers, GEC Whetstone.
Lincoln. Ropewalk. Main customers, Ruston Bucyrus, Ruston & Hornsby. Manager Stan Crawford.
Liverpool
Manchester. unknown, later moved to Spindle Point, Kearsley, Bolton. Main customer AEI, Wythenshaw. Ferranti, Hollingwood.
Peterborough, Peterborough Road, Whittlesey. Main customers, Peter Brotherhood, Baker Perkins. Manager Maurice Clarke.
Preston. Chorley Road, Walton le Dale.
Rugby, Market Street. Main customer GEC
Sheffield. Brightside Lane. Main customers Davy United, Newton Chambers. Manager Ted Fitzpatrick.
Southampton. Manager Desmond Bull.
Stafford. Common Road. Main customer GEC.
Stockton.
Stratford. 68/74, High Street, E.15. Main customer, Hackbridge Transformers. Manager Mr Mcean
Walsall. Pleck Road
Additional depots were later opened at Luton and Orpington.

Will amend and add further detail when memory allows! Where have given no address, customers or manager, cannot presently recall. Time and other’s comments, may bring further information to post.

Hi Hermit, Er"s a couple of old Work Horses Atki Ballasted Tractors, found em on"t net, in a qyuarry somewhere? Ex Pickfords? Cheers Chris.

Pickfords had a Depot Near Ardwick Green Manchester 50/60s Before moving to Kearsley, Their drivers used to stay at Mrs Smiths digs on Hyde Rd Tel No Ard 1858 & opposite was Bowmans & Mr Bowman worked for Pickfords, One of their drivers that used Mrs Smiths was Called Alan Hutchinson he worked with my late Grandad Tommy Smiles from Wideopen who was originally a Curries man, Who were enveloped into The Pickford bit when Nationalisation came about, Regards Larry.

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Hermit:
Looking through pages of the ‘‘Old Time’’ theme, the seems to have been very little posted in respect of Pickfords Heavy Haulage. There cannot ever have been a company in that sphere of the industry, which had a comparable UK geographic coverage, or as large a customer base. Many ex employees must still living to tell the tale, a tale which, if not noted through the medium of these pages, will remain untold.
So I am starting the process here, and hope many will follow with their memories of the vehicles, management, drivers and depots , and even customers, which made up the whole.
I joined Pickfords on 25th May 1959 from BRS, after an interview with the Chief Heavy Haulage Manager, Mr J.N.Drummond, at 52, Bedford Row, London WC1. The two things I most recall, were the bundles of Documents spread around the office, and the fact that he appeared to be wearing bike clips ! He telephoned Park Royal, the nearest depot to where I lived at Southall, as to their then current staffing level, and grilled me quite intensely, with regard to my reasons for wanting to transfer from BRS. The Park Royal depot was located in Coronation Road, and the vehicle allocation at the time was as follows ;-
Fleet Nos M 1009 and M 1011, PUC 473 and 475, Scammell Constructor 6x6 ballasted tractors, with TM 451, a Crane 6 axle 24 wheeled beam trailer, I would think with a carrying capacity of around 180 tons, although I cannot be sure of this. Park Royal had no responsibility to control, or find work for this beast, since it was one of a number of like vehicles based around the country, but operated by Stratford, East London depot, (Formerly Rudd’s) under what they called, the Heavy Loads Programme. The crew were drivers Eddie Carr and Jack Higgins, mates Weeks and Steadman, and steersman Grossett. Park Royal was in fact, just a place to park the outfit, and to alter the position of the beams, commensurate with it’s next load. This was the time of a large power station construction programme, and most loads were transformers and generators from manufacturers throughout the UK, to the required locations.
Fleet No M 1828, UXC 614, Scammell Constructor 6x4 ballasted tractor, with TM 611, a Crane 45/60ton drawbar, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver George Wright and mate Gartell.
Fleet No M 750, NGF 120, Scammell 35ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM721, a Crane 20ft well 2 axle, 8 wheeled, drawbar low loader. Crew were Bill Cook and mate Williams.
Fleet No M1846, UXA 723, Scammell 25ton 2 axle ballasted tractor, with TM 478, a Crane 20ft well, 2 axle, 8 wheeled drawbar low loader. Crew were driver Ben Mann and mate Mansfield.
Fleet Nos M102 and 98, HYH15 and 16, 20ton Scammell artic units, with TM 153 and 155, Scammell 4 in line, 20ft well low loaders. Crews were drivers Sid Sinnett and Tommy Ware, and mates Higgins and Harris.
Fleet No M 2164, VXR659, a 15ton Scammell unit, with Scammell 4 in line, 16ft well low loader. Driver was George Gale.
Fleet Nos M 802 and 879, NYN 939 and 943, 10ton S type Bedford petrol units, with TM 524 and 528, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Fred Brandon and Bill Lyons.
Fleet Nos M 1593 and 2014, TYX505 and VGN676, 10ton Commer two stroke units, with TM703 and 746, 16ft well low loaders. Drivers were Tidman and Fred Green.
Fleet No M799, NUC 865, was a 5ton Morris Commercial, with a sided body, used as a tackle wagon.
TM50 and 51, were a pair of Crane 18ft long x 3ft 6in high drawbar trailers,15tons capacity.
TM407 was a 25ft long x 3ft 3 in high flat drawbar trailer, only 8tons capacity.
There were 3 mobile cranes, 2 Ransomes & Rapiers, EXC298 and SLP99, and a 25ton Coles Lorry Mounted VGN652. Drivers were Keen, Clark and Hicks.
The rest of the manual staff comprised of two machine moving gangs, each of foreman and two men. Foreman Percy Wright had messrs Green and Rayne, whilsy foreman Fred Greenwood, had Edwards and Kean. In Percy Wrights gang, Green drove the tackle wagon, whilst Fred Greenwood usually had the use of M1593, because Tidman refused to do long distance work!
The yard man, who cleaned up and made the tea (very frequently!) was a Geordie named Hope.
The Depot manager was Tom Jones, traffic operator Charlie Roberts, plus a cashier, lady typist, female office junior, and then me!
Other depots in operation at the time, were as follows:-
Barrow in Furness. Hindpool Road. Operated 1 vehicle only! Main customer Vickers Shipbuilding.
Birmingham. Wood Lane, Erdington. Main customer, GEC Witton.
Birtley. Durham Road. Main customers, CA Parsons, Coles Cranes, Swan Hunter. Manager Eddie Milne
Bristol. Main customer Strachan & Henshaw
Cardiff. Newport Road
Derby. Alfreton Road. Main customer International Combustion.
Edinburgh. Main customer Bruce Peebles
Exeter. Manager Jack Crwys
Glasgow. 2600, London Road, Carmyle. Manager Mr Irving
Hull. Main customers, Priestman Bros and Holmpress Piling.
Ipswich. Wright Road. Main customer Ransomes & Rapier.
Leeds. Gelderd Road
Leicester. Blaby Wharf, Glen Parva. Main customers, GEC Whetstone.
Lincoln. Ropewalk. Main customers, Ruston Bucyrus, Ruston & Hornsby. Manager Stan Crawford.
Liverpool
Manchester. unknown, later moved to Spindle Point, Kearsley, Bolton. Main customer AEI, Wythenshaw. Ferranti, Hollingwood.
Peterborough, Peterborough Road, Whittlesey. Main customers, Peter Brotherhood, Baker Perkins. Manager Maurice Clarke.
Preston. Chorley Road, Walton le Dale.
Rugby, Market Street. Main customer GEC
Sheffield. Brightside Lane. Main customers Davy United, Newton Chambers. Manager Ted Fitzpatrick.
Southampton. Manager Desmond Bull.
Stafford. Common Road. Main customer GEC.
Stockton.
Stratford. 68/74, High Street, E.15. Main customer, Hackbridge Transformers. Manager Mr Mcean
Walsall. Pleck Road
Additional depots were later opened at Luton and Orpington.

Will amend and add further detail when memory allows! Where have given no address, customers or manager, cannot presently recall. Time and other’s comments, may bring further information to post.

Hi Hermit, Er"s a couple of old Work Horses Atki Ballasted Tractors, found em on"t net, in a qyuarry somewhere? Ex Pickfords? Cheers Chris.

Pickfords had a Depot Near Ardwick Green Manchester 50/60s Before moving to Kearsley, Their drivers used to stay at Mrs Smiths digs on Hyde Rd Tel No Ard 1858 & opposite was Bowmans & Mr Bowman worked for Pickfords, One of their drivers that used Mrs Smiths was Called Alan Hutchinson he worked with my late Grandad Tommy Smiles from Wideopen who was originally a Curries man, Who were enveloped into The Pickford bit when Nationalisation came about, Regards Larry.

Larry would this be the same Alan Hutchinson who was at Birtley depot and I am sure he had a brother there as well I did a couple of night shifts on their F88 6x4 100 tonner ( ex Siddle Cooks ) and I took it off of Alan both times but I think he drove a contractor regularly
cheers Johnnie :wink:

Aye that was Alan, He was a real nice lad, He allways spoke highly of my old Grandad, which made me feel very proud sitting in Mrs Smiths having my evening meal, among some drivers who didn’t know him, But Alan allways put them right about his knowledge of the heavey haulage game, My Grandad was road foreman for Currie & Co, & a lot of blokes I worked with were a bit miffed that I was related to The Smiles for Miles Haulage Company who was in fact my Grandads brother Issaac Smiles , Happy long gone days, Regards Larry.

Hey 5thwheel, you talk of not loading Cats cross-carriage. What about side-boom tractors on pipeline jobs ? They had to be put on, with the boom pointing fore, which meant the tractor was across the trailer ! This was, of course, only when they were being moved along the spread, from one road crossing to another, but could involve 4 or 5 machines ! About 18.5 feet wide if I recall with a Cat 583…