marsden:
Posted this on another thread but seems relevant to this one also, I was at a haulage yard local to me an I noticed some cylinders due to be loaded for France in a stillage, they were Silane gas -28 degrees C auto ignition temperature and spontaneously flammable in air, so basically open the tap and you have a 200 bar flame thrower.
May be mixed with other goods of the same class. May be mixed with other classes when the combination packaging is permitted. May be mixed with goods that do not come under ADR.
How dangerous a job is it then? Is is mega dangerous and everyone is so careful that there are never accidents or just exaggerated. The only big incident involving a tanker I can think of was when that one full of Hydrogen Peroxide (IIRC) blew itâs self to pieces on the M3? a few years back.
PS. What caused the Buncefield bonfire, was that tanker related?
Another stupid question ⌠petrol is explosive therefore the job is dangerous FFS
marsden:
Posted this on another thread but seems relevant to this one also, I was at a haulage yard local to me an I noticed some cylinders due to be loaded for France in a stillage, they were Silane gas -28 degrees C auto ignition temperature and spontaneously flammable in air, so basically open the tap and you have a 200 bar flame thrower.
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May be mixed with other goods of the same class. May be mixed with other classes when the combination packaging is permitted. May be mixed with goods that do not come under ADR.
Serious Gas man
I think people get a bit over cautious as soon as they hear long names and flashpoints mentioned.
All this talk on ADR courses about the driver/nurse/teacher melting and leaving only their boots/gold ring/spectacles must really stick in the minds of some.
These chemicals are classified by the UN, donât forget. Their ineptitude in the areas they are supposed to be most concerned with must surely filter down to the seemingly mundane occupation of DG classification if the (suuposedly) brighter sparks are concerned with peacekeeping and famine relief etc
When I started work way back in the olden days, I worked for 3M in Gorseinon. They made (make) Scotch Tape, and the adhesive is basically rubber which has to be disolved to coat it on to the backing.
The solvent used was called Toluol or Toluene (the last âTâ in TNT) which has a flash point of 4 degrees C, as well as being nasty stuff to inhale or touch. When it was delivered the tanker parked outside the factory and coupled up to pipes to underground tanks. The fire brigade turned up in force and cordoned off the whole area.
No it wasnât a stupid question, I know how explosive petrol is. I have a shiny scar on my leg from a petrol explosion many years ago.
Much is made about how dangerous the job is, but I could recall very little in the way of serious incidents. If things are done correctly then there should be no problems, I was wondering how well the job was engineered to reduce risks.
My job transporting plant is potentially dangerous, a 14t excavator sitting on a 4â high beavertail is a potential rollover risk, and if not chained down correctly could slide off and wipe out a bus load of kids (thinking of them!) But I donât go on about it or go on strike.
Santa:
When I started work way back in the olden days, I worked for 3M in Gorseinon. They made (make) Scotch Tape, and the adhesive is basically rubber which has to be disolved to coat it on to the backing.
The solvent used was called Toluol or Toluene which has a flash point of 4 degrees C, as well as being nasty stuff to inhale or touch. When it was delivered the tanker parked outside the factory and coupled up to pipes to underground tanks. The fire brigade turned up in force and cordoned off the whole area.
Yes, a key ingredient of Tri Nitro Toluene. More commonly known by itâs initials - UPS.
Whenever I go home to england I m always impressed with the petrol stations much more modern and well designed than the majority of those in this part of canada.This makes the job easier and less dangerous .I m not sure if they have vapour recovery in europe yet but this is law in several of the united states hence the atmosphere isnt polluted with gasoline fumes we are light years away from that here.I understand that its ok in europe to pump off diesel into above ground tanks but not gasolineâŚwe pump any thing off here including av gas and jet fuel.I once had a delivery hose break under pressure when pumping off diesel make a real mess but contained safely.
Donât know if anyone heard it on Radio2 yesterday (?)
They was talking about the tanker drivers PROPOSED strike and it was mentioned that some off them are on more wages than a ARMY BOMB DISPOSALE tech in Afganistan !!!
Now I support the drivers rights BUT thatâs just wrong , all the tanker drivers have health n safety looking after them . The bomb disposal boys & girls have people actively trying to kill them everyday !
Fallmonk:
Donât know if anyone heard it on Radio2 yesterday (?)
They was talking about the tanker drivers PROPOSED strike and it was mentioned that some off them are on more wages than a ARMY BOMB DISPOSALE tech in Afganistan !!!
Now I support the drivers rights BUT thatâs just wrong , all the tanker drivers have health n safety looking after them . The bomb disposal boys & girls have people actively trying to kill them everyday !
Yep, could ave told ya that.
I would say that all ADR tanker drivers are on more than ANY soldier in Afganistan, even the ones who have to search for those IEDâs.
Soldiers are poorly paid in comparrison to alot of folk.
Fallmonk:
Donât know if anyone heard it on Radio2 yesterday (?)
They was talking about the tanker drivers PROPOSED strike and it was mentioned that some off them are on more wages than a ARMY BOMB DISPOSALE tech in Afganistan !!!
Now I support the drivers rights BUT thatâs just wrong , all the tanker drivers have health n safety looking after them . The bomb disposal boys & girls have people actively trying to kill them everyday !
Yep, could ave told ya that.
I would say that all ADR tanker drivers are on more than ANY soldier in Afganistan, even the ones who have to search for those IEDâs.
Soldiers are poorly paid in comparrison to alot of folk.
So take that bs argument to itâs logical conclusion then âeveryoneâ has to be paid a lot less than the average army privatesâ wage (including zb bankers) ( the current teenage minimum wage should do it) then how the zb are you going to be able to pay all the taxes needed to pay for the defence budget which will need to increase in line with inflation if itâs to remain the same.
So how many volunteer hypocrites are there on here who are going to be the first to run to their guvnors asking for their wages to be reduced to that figure .
Fallmonk:
Donât know if anyone heard it on Radio2 yesterday (?)
They was talking about the tanker drivers PROPOSED strike and it was mentioned that some off them are on more wages than a ARMY BOMB DISPOSALE tech in Afganistan !!!
Now I support the drivers rights BUT thatâs just wrong , all the tanker drivers have health n safety looking after them . The bomb disposal boys & girls have people actively trying to kill them everyday !
Yep, could ave told ya that.
I would say that all ADR tanker drivers are on more than ANY soldier in Afganistan, even the ones who have to search for those IEDâs.
Soldiers are poorly paid in comparrison to alot of folk.
So take that bs argument to itâs logical conclusion then âeveryoneâ has to be paid a lot less than the average army privatesâ wage (including zb bankers) ( the current teenage minimum wage should do it) then how the zb are you going to be able to pay all the taxes needed to pay for the defence budget which will need to increase in line with inflation if itâs to remain the same.
So how many volunteer hypocrites are there on here who are going to be the first to run to their guvnors asking for their wages to be reduced to that figure .
Everyone agrees that its the soldiers that are underpaid for the job they do. They should be paid more IMO. Some might say that on the other hand, tanker drivers are paid a bit too much for the job they do.
Fallmonk:
Donât know if anyone heard it on Radio2 yesterday (?)
They was talking about the tanker drivers PROPOSED strike and it was mentioned that some off them are on more wages than a ARMY BOMB DISPOSALE tech in Afganistan !!!
Now I support the drivers rights BUT thatâs just wrong , all the tanker drivers have health n safety looking after them . The bomb disposal boys & girls have people actively trying to kill them everyday !
Yep, could ave told ya that.
I would say that all ADR tanker drivers are on more than ANY soldier in Afganistan, even the ones who have to search for those IEDâs.
Soldiers are poorly paid in comparrison to alot of folk.
So take that bs argument to itâs logical conclusion then âeveryoneâ has to be paid a lot less than the average army privatesâ wage (including zb bankers) ( the current teenage minimum wage should do it) then how the zb are you going to be able to pay all the taxes needed to pay for the defence budget which will need to increase in line with inflation if itâs to remain the same.
So how many volunteer hypocrites are there on here who are going to be the first to run to their guvnors asking for their wages to be reduced to that figure .
Everyone agrees that its the soldiers that are underpaid for the job they do. They should be paid more IMO. Some might say that on the other hand, tanker drivers are paid a bit too much for the job they do.
Which seems to overlook all the knock on effects and implications that your ideas would have on different pay rates throughout the road transport industry as a whole.Some might say that tanker drivers are paid more or less about right,considering train drivers pay in which itâs a case of turn up,clock on,drive (without needing to get involved with the load or have the risks of public road hazards) go home.While many others in the industry,like many others in many other industries over the years,many of who donât even have a job now anyway,are/were paid less than a fair wage for the job they do.Ironically in the case of the army their pay seems to reflect the fact that while army training seems to be good at training people to follow orders without question it also removes the willingness to think for themselves and just say no occasionally.
Although having said that itâs difficult to see how the unions stand a chance of sorting out the issues of low pay that have built up troughout the economy in all types of jobs,including the road transport industry,if workers wonât stick together and have swallowed all the bs tory indoctrination that greed is good in the case of bankers and management but low wage levels for the rest are the way forward.When the economy since the late 1970âs shows the reality of that thinking in action.
alamcculloch:
I hope that no one starts blaming Margaret Thather for this.
Thatcher personally probably not but itâs all down to her ideology which dodgy Dave is obviously following to the letter.Whereas if it was someone with Heathâs ideology as PM,it would probably be a case of no involvement by the armede forces,and any potential action would probably be as strong as the convictions of those who wouldnât be prepared to cross a picket line.
Assuming it then went ahead and that most workers held those principles (very doubtful judging by most comments) it would probably end up with the government (rightly) having to call a general election in keeping with the way things (should be) done in a democratic country rather than a dictatorship.
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