Carryfast:
Used car dealers being put off buying EVs due to crashing prices – Car Dealer Magazine
Hardly surprising as electric jesus has gone all in on getting rid of the competition in the ongoing price war. Tesla is engaged in at present. Tesla model M3 & MY have seen huge price drops.
lancpudn:
Carryfast:
Used car dealers being put off buying EVs due to crashing prices – Car Dealer MagazineHardly surprising as electric jesus has gone all in on getting rid of the competition in the ongoing price war. Tesla is engaged in at present. Tesla model M3 & MY have seen huge price drops.
That clearly doesn’t state that buyers are rushing out to trade the ICE Merc/BMW/JLR for a ‘cheap’ Tesla whether new or used.
What it actually proves is justified customer resistance to buying an EV v ICE at any price so long as the choice of buying ICE is on the table.
To the point where the major players now realise that betting on the Betamax EV bandwagon was/is the wrong call.As opposed to doing whatever it takes to keep ICE alive.
Is this the scenario we’re going to be looking at leading up to the ICE ban in 2030 in the UK? BMW, VW, Toyota, Honda have millions of cars sat in dealerships in China struggling to sell them due to new Chinese emission laws.
youtube.com/watch?v=81H3gZ56_vw
lancpudn:
Is this the scenario we’re going to be looking at post 2030 in the UK? BMW, VW, Toyota, Honda have millions of cars sat in dealerships in China struggling to sell them due to new Chinese emission laws.
youtube.com/watch?v=81H3gZ56_vw
Where’s the connection.
You seem to be strangely all about doing what’s good for China.
Dealerships are struggling to sell EVs and that will remain the case while the choice of ICE exists.
Bearing in mind that the 2030 cut off only applies to new registrations as of that date and it doesn’t actually outlaw alternative fuelled ICE vehicles from that point.
Why are you so keen on handing over our transport security, in the form of EVs, which obviously means that crippling the country’s electricity supply also cripples it’s transport infrastructure.
As opposed to ICE which can switch between zero carbon hydrogen or independent fossil fuel as and if required.
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
Is this the scenario we’re going to be looking at post 2030 in the UK? BMW, VW, Toyota, Honda have millions of cars sat in dealerships in China struggling to sell them due to new Chinese emission laws.
youtube.com/watch?v=81H3gZ56_vwWhere’s the connection.
You seem to be strangely all about doing what’s good for China.
Dealerships are struggling to sell EVs and that will remain the case while the choice of ICE exists.
Bearing in mind that the 2030 cut off only applies to new registrations as of that date and it doesn’t actually outlaw alternative fuelled ICE vehicles from that point.
Why are you so keen on handing over our transport security, in the form of EVs, which obviously means that crippling the country’s electricity supply also cripples it’s transport infrastructure.
As opposed to ICE which can switch between zero carbon hydrogen or independent fossil fuel as and if required.
Assume much? I watch the global markets not just the EU/UK, It’s a globalized world, what happens in one place has a ripple effort around the globe.I deal in facts not the personal opinion you roll out on every comment to suit your agenda. The sales of EV’s worldwide are going up YOY & have been doing so for years.counterpointresearch.com/gl … s-q4-2022/
Skoda announced just this morning said it may have to close their plant with a loss of 3000 jobs if Euro 7 comes into force. It’s happening all over the world whether you like it or I like it. It’s fact not my opinion. europe.autonews.com/environment … 2-headline
VW is in a huge p[rice war because it’s going to be stuck with hundreds of thousands of ICE vehicles that will no longer pass Chinese emissions there, We’ll be running out of old airfields to store them all soon. proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co … 09371.html
lancpudn:
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
Is this the scenario we’re going to be looking at post 2030 in the UK? BMW, VW, Toyota, Honda have millions of cars sat in dealerships in China struggling to sell them due to new Chinese emission laws.
youtube.com/watch?v=81H3gZ56_vwWhere’s the connection.
You seem to be strangely all about doing what’s good for China.
Dealerships are struggling to sell EVs and that will remain the case while the choice of ICE exists.
Bearing in mind that the 2030 cut off only applies to new registrations as of that date and it doesn’t actually outlaw alternative fuelled ICE vehicles from that point.
Why are you so keen on handing over our transport security, in the form of EVs, which obviously means that crippling the country’s electricity supply also cripples it’s transport infrastructure.
As opposed to ICE which can switch between zero carbon hydrogen or independent fossil fuel as and if required.Assume much? I watch the global markets not just the EU/UK, It’s a globalized world, what happens in one place has a ripple effort around the globe.I deal in facts not the personal opinion you roll out on every comment to suit your agenda. The sales of EV’s worldwide are going up YOY & have been doing so for years.counterpointresearch.com/gl … s-q4-2022/
Skoda announced just this morning said it may have to close their plant with a loss of 3000 jobs if Euro 7 comes into force. It’s happening all over the world whether you like it or I like it. It’s fact not my opinion. europe.autonews.com/environment … 2-headline
VW is in a huge p[rice war because it’s going to be stuck with hundreds of thousands of ICE vehicles that will no longer pass Chinese emissions there, We’ll be running out of old airfields to store them all soon. proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co … 09371.html
The fact that ICE based manufacturers prefer to close shop than make the wholesale switch to EVs makes your case that demand for EVs is even there let alone increasing how.
The civilised western economies can’t compete with a slave labour based command economy who would have thought it.
Globalisation run by the CCP doing what’s good for the CCP is good for us how.
“The fact that ICE based manufacturers prefer to close shop than make the wholesale switch to EVs makes your case that demand for EVs is even there let alone increasing how.
The civilised western economies can’t compete with a slave labour based command economy who would have thought it.
Globalisation run by the CCP doing what’s good for the CCP is good for us how.”
Globalised world, What happens there has a knock on effect in every car market.
Surrey county council believe there’s a demand for EV’s as it begins it’s record roll out of 10000 EV chargers. localgov.co.uk/Surrey-CC-be … gers/55871
lancpudn:
“The fact that ICE based manufacturers prefer to close shop than make the wholesale switch to EVs makes your case that demand for EVs is even there let alone increasing how.
The civilised western economies can’t compete with a slave labour based command economy who would have thought it.
Globalisation run by the CCP doing what’s good for the CCP is good for us how.”Globalised world, What happens there has a knock on effect in every car market.
Surrey county council believe there’s a demand for EV’s as it begins it’s record roll out of 10000 EV chargers. localgov.co.uk/Surrey-CC-be … gers/55871
It’s clear that your definition of globalised means what’s good for China not us.
It’s equally clear that Surrey and SCC are going the way of Middlesex and Middlesex County Council and it’s more likely that more its car owning population will be moving out than rushing out to replace our ICE powered cars with a joke Chinese EV paying for SCCs overpriced electric charging utopia.
To be replaced by an incoming car hating and cycling and public transport orientated London demographic who look to Khan for their leadership.
SCC, like our car manufacturing and car retail industry, should be careful what it wishes for.
Carryfast:
lancpudn:
“The fact that ICE based manufacturers prefer to close shop than make the wholesale switch to EVs makes your case that demand for EVs is even there let alone increasing how.
The civilised western economies can’t compete with a slave labour based command economy who would have thought it.
Globalisation run by the CCP doing what’s good for the CCP is good for us how.”Globalised world, What happens there has a knock on effect in every car market.
Surrey county council believe there’s a demand for EV’s as it begins it’s record roll out of 10000 EV chargers. localgov.co.uk/Surrey-CC-be … gers/55871
It’s clear that your definition of globalised means what’s good for China not us.
It’s equally clear that Surrey and SCC are going the way of Middlesex and Middlesex County Council and it’s more likely that more its car owning population will be moving out than rushing out to replace our ICE powered cars with a joke Chinese EV paying for SCCs overpriced electric charging utopia.
To be replaced by an incoming car hating and cycling and public transport orientated London demographic who look to Khan for their leadership.
SCC, like our car manufacturing and car retail industry, should be careful what it wishes for.
Maybe in your head but if you’d care to read it you’d see it involves every western car manufacturer as well as south east Asia countries who are all have JV’s with Chinese car manufacturers.
New draft EU proposal have surfaced regarding the Brouhaha over EU countries voting against the ICE ban & wanting to use e-fuels after the 2030/35
A draft proposal has surfaced allowing the use of e-fuels after the ban date but the new cars wont run on anything other than e-fuels. The new cars just would not run on other types of fuel i.e. Petrol, Diesel.
“The news comes via Reuters, which writes that the draft suggests creating a new type of vehicle category in the EU for cars that can run only on carbon-neutral fuel. These vehicles will have to be fitted with technology that prevents them from driving if other fuels are used, according to the draft, which means that carmakers theoretically won’t be able to just keep selling the cars they make now, which rely on gasoline or diesel to run.” insideevs.com/news/658514/eu-pl … yond-2035/
The fact is the ban is on fossil fuelled vehicles not ICE powered vehicles.
As expected being imposed under the climate scam pretext.The motor trade and customers know it.The anti ICE luddites EV dream is going off the rails.Its just a question of who pays for their zealotry.
It looks like the 2035 ICE ban will stand after all with provisions for how certain high-end vehicles may get a future exemption if they run solely on e-fuels.
“The last-minute deal is a concession to high-end sports car brands like Germany’s Porsche, but is expected to have little effect on the plans of most major automakers.”
“Energy ministers from the bloc’s 27 member states formally adopted rules Today Tuesday 28th March that will mean automakers will have to ■■■■■ CO2 emissions to zero over the next 12 years.” todaynewspost.com/auto-news/eu- … gine-cars/
Fisker are launching their new Fisker Ocean range of BEV’s across Europe & the UK May, A supercar beating crossover SUV with 550 HP with a 0-60 time of 3.6 seconds and a range of 440 miles starting at the princely sum of £35970. The price of these vehicles are slowly coming down because the price of battery pack grade lithium carbonate has fallen off a cliff in the last two months hopefully bringing the cost down even further to match ICE cars. drive-electric.co.uk/news/f … C3EAEM%2C1
It’s getting panic stations & squeaky bum time amongst the legacy automakers who have 50/50 JV’s (Joint Ventures) with Chinese auto manufacturers from the big Japanese, German, French, Italian, South Korean, USA etc automakers as the Chinese 6B emission standards will be implemented on 1st July 2023. reuters.com/world/china/chi … 023-05-09/
It’s becoming a perfect storm with car inventory at dealerships across the country with nearly two million ICE cars that wont meet the new emission standards. Most if not all of these legacy car manufacturers make most of their profits from ICE car manufacture in China, VW make over 50% of their profit there & that will come to an end on the 1st July,
Mercedes CEO says German industry wouldn’t exist without China.
youtube.com/watch?v=4FOIqPzNbiw
Those ICE car factories & ICE production lines in China will be worthless after the 1st July. What are they going to do? Especially the big European automakers. If they lose the Chinese car market & wont be able to make ICE cars there anymore & the EU has gone all-in on electric vehicles & already cant make enough affordable ones.
China at the moment is flooding the EU with electric cars which will mean they’ll lose the Chinese market & their own European market to them in the coming years.
Goodbye Britishvolt Hello Nyobolt, Battery tech/chemistry is changing so fast these days. “A UK-based battery company has developed an electric vehicle (EV) capable of being charged in under 6 mins with existing charging infrastructure.” 
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lancpudn:
Goodbye Britishvolt Hello Nyobolt, Battery tech/chemistry is changing so fast these days. “A UK-based battery company has developed an electric vehicle (EV) capable of being charged in under 6 mins with existing charging infrastructure.”
That is quite impressive.
(up to, of course!) 250km of charge in 6 minutes, and 500,000 km of battery life, if I read it right?
Getting better by leaps and bounds it seems.
OK, as ever it isnt enough to do Lands End to John O`Groats in one hit, with 8 passengers and towing a trailer, but it is another step forward.
Franglais:
lancpudn:
Goodbye Britishvolt Hello Nyobolt, Battery tech/chemistry is changing so fast these days. “A UK-based battery company has developed an electric vehicle (EV) capable of being charged in under 6 mins with existing charging infrastructure.”That is quite impressive.
(up to, of course!) 250km of charge in 6 minutes, and 500,000 km of battery life, if I read it right?
Getting better by leaps and bounds it seems.OK, as ever it isn
t enough to do Lands End to John O`Groats in one hit, with 8 passengers and towing a trailer, but it is another step forward.
LOL It would be interesting to find out if this new battery with a 6 minute recharge to 250km range compared to an EV with a larger battery pack of 100kWh & a 30-40 minute charge up to 80% with a range of 400km would fare in a race!!!
Once a battery pack reaches 80% of charge it slows down dramatically from 80-100% & takes as long as it did from a low state of charge to 80%, Every EV is like that today to protect the battery.
My MG ZS EV has a range of 163 miles in Summer & around 130 miles in Winter, Still perfect for my needs as I go by my bladder range these days. I wouldn’t like to drag around a 2 ton battery with an extra 200kms range as I don’t need that sort of range, A smaller lighter battery pack with a much faster charging rate would be perfect for a lot of motorist although some people wouldn’t be happy unless it had a 1000 mile range if the comments you read on some sites are anything top go by.
lancpudn:
Franglais:
lancpudn:
Goodbye Britishvolt Hello Nyobolt, Battery tech/chemistry is changing so fast these days. “A UK-based battery company has developed an electric vehicle (EV) capable of being charged in under 6 mins with existing charging infrastructure.”That is quite impressive.
(up to, of course!) 250km of charge in 6 minutes, and 500,000 km of battery life, if I read it right?
Getting better by leaps and bounds it seems.OK, as ever it isn
t enough to do Lands End to John O`Groats in one hit, with 8 passengers and towing a trailer, but it is another step forward.LOL It would be interesting to find out if this new battery with a 6 minute recharge to 250km range compared to an EV with a larger battery pack of 100kWh & a 30-40 minute charge up to 80% with a range of 400km would fare in a race!!!
Once a battery pack reaches 80% of charge it slows down dramatically from 80-100% & takes as long as it did from a low state of charge to 80%, Every EV is like that today to protect the battery.My MG ZS EV has a range of 163 miles in Summer & around 130 miles in Winter, Still perfect for my needs as I go by my bladder range these days. I wouldn’t like to drag around a 2 ton battery with an extra 200kms range as I don’t need that sort of range, A smaller lighter battery pack with a much faster charging rate would be perfect for a lot of motorist although some people wouldn’t be happy unless it had a 1000 mile range if the comments you read on some sites are anything top go by.
Having a long range is nice, but how many of us need it very often? In an IC car if you have a small bucket, or a big bucket to hold the fuel it makes little difference. If that big bucket cost more to both buy and run (mpg/extra wt) wouldn`t we have a different mindset already? I suspect so.
I seem to remember on here someone saying they West Country to Scotland in their car regularly and didnt want to waste time charging electric cars? Theyd maybe be better moving house or getting a pilot`s licence. 
Half brother has got rid of Tesla x & gone to a hybrid bmw according to other half brother , we looked at a Honda e for daughter , but they were way to costly at time , amazing how much they’ve dropped , local theres a 6k one at £22,000 which is a big drop to what they were , seeing Tesla,s , 17 k miles at 30 k , again seems a big drop to what they were ,
Daughter it would make sense as she only does a couple miles to work , and pops round notts , could use my car for longer journeys
Only thing I’m dubious about is cars are parked in a car parking yard at back of houses , her neighbour has a Nissan Leaf , her charger is attached to the fence in the car park , I’m not so sure about that , daughter would have to have the same though