This is an interesting short video on the mess we have with VED, Tyre tax has been banded about too but the eye-opener for me was the insane amount of fuel duty & VAT we pay on petrol or diesel compared to charging up an electric car at home on an overnight cheap rate.
I do love the sound of a drum being banged! You do realise that despite fervent and almost rabid love for this project that it is eventually going to implode and disappear up its own ■■■■ don’t you?
Obviously aynus without the Y is a banned word! God bless’Merica
I have to admit I didn’t realise VAT was charged on the fuel tax, so they’re taxing the tax we pay 
Anyway, the one thing that’s certain is that whatever vehicle tax system is used the tax we pay is only going in one direction and it’s not down 
The Auto-censor on this board is absolutely ridiculous 
Yes, but arse and ass are OK.
@maoster was being too coy ! 
Electric vehicles ARE a cheaper proposition.
There is a reason for this…
That will stop as soon as we are all conned, outpriced forced (or all.3) into owning one.
I find it amazing that those drum bangers you mention fail to see that.
LPG anyone?
Those ‘drum bangers’ also seem strangely in favour of what’s good for China.
As opposed to charging up on route to somewhere at 50p per kWh + 20% VAT and obviously fuel duty then also home charging, when enough mugs have bought into the EV scam.
At last! “MPs will discuss the disparity between the 20% VAT rate for public electric vehicle (EV) charging and the 5% rate for those plugging in at home.”
I was looking at charging options around Totnes online yesterday and came across this, almost over the £1 barrier!
The worry is, if they reduce the VAT rate, will it get passed down the line to the end user or absorbed by the retailers.
Good grief, That’s the most expensive I’ve seen. Even instavolt have lowered their price & they were 79p/kWh. I’d just find a Tesla supercharger 53p/kWh & avoid that one.
thing is even at home its bloody expensive. a 7 kwh charger is 345 quid at my local electrical factors. so thats 3100 miles of petrol in my car before i pay for the charger but the electrisity isnt free so even at some silly inflated catch the idiots rate of 7p per mile i still have to do 1900 miles to pay for the electric i used to do the 3100 miles… and on and on we go
Most dealers have a branded home charger to push, so I did a deal when I bought my MG ZS EV & I haggled one free, even with installation channelled across my lawn with armoured cable to the garage with wi-fi extender for nowt.
They need to sell every EV they can, especially now with this ZEV mandate.
Here is something I didn’t consider - is there any significant loss in the charging system?
If I use 20kwh from the battery, then re-charge 20kwh am I back to where I was, or has 5% or something lost in the process? I think some of the faster fast chargers have coolant / or some cooling in the cable from charger to car, so I assume there at least there is some loss going off as heat.
there will be losses in that sense… any cable has a resistance and obviously the longer the cable the higher the resistance.
to get 7 kw your drawing aprox 30.4 amps which is a lot. with out knowing the resistance of the cable i couldnt tell you the voltage drop but it would be fairly small. at the levels of the super chargers it would be that much higher hence the heat and need for cooling. The issue is that as the cable deteriorates and corodes the resistance increases so therefore the heat increases which increases the corosion and round and round it goes untill something gives hopefully not a fire. I will say this though… my neighbor is a sparks and has an electric suv and the charger is outside and he charges his car outside the rest of the time its in the garage.
The other issue is that the rates output is the maximum it can produce. as the battery charges it will draw less and less as the potential difference decreases so it isnt as simple as saying a 20 kwh charger will charge a 20 kw battery in one hour
I’m nearly 60, I’ll stick with my smelly old diesel thank you very much. 
