PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

Mark Loader Foden. There was a “Loader” that did grain,dont know if this is the same one ?

John Carr Leyland. Not sure where they were based ■■

Elliott’s Foden.

Looking at the size of the number plate,i would imagine that this was an Italian registered Mercedes ■■

Greenwoods Foden heading to Poole docks to collect a load of Zanussi washing machines no doubt.

Cook DAF. I believe he still owns this motor. Last time i saw him was in Cherbourg,passed his Volvo F16 and ERF with a
■■■■■■■ 525 from memory coming down Cherbourg hill. Took them about an hour to come down the hill as both were
over 100 ton.

“finbarot” The Fodens are going and the Volvo’s are coming.

Anyone recognise the Seddon Atkinson 401. Did they offer that colour scheme on there demonstrators or a very similar
colour from memory ?

Arndale Fuels Seddon Atkinson.I think they had a depot in Poole will ask Paul Gee and see if he can remember.
Were they a nationwide company ■■

Tarmac Leyland Constructor.

[juddian]

DeanB. re 401 demo.

Not sure about the brown scheme above, but my boss bought a 6x2 401 demo in 84, it was two colour white over blue cab with a two colour diamond shape on each door in the white section , comprising of two colured wide stripes making the sloping rectangle, one of the colours was blue i think the other was orange but don’t take that as gospel.
Only in that colour for a few months before it went into the paint shop for fleet colour.

To this day still one of the best tractors i’ve ever been issued with, 14 litre E320 with a different to normal set of injectors slotted in by SA dealer Vee and Inline’s Daventry, i’m pretty sure that upped it to 350 spec because its sister motor bought new couldn’t stay with it, Fuller Roadranger and Rockwell axle geared it for 70mph @ 1100 rpm which produced amazing fuel figures considering the progress that could be made, also had Jake on 4 of the 6 pots because the necessary parts needed for the centre 2 cyls wasn’t available at the time it was fitted, even on 4 cyls the retarding was amazing, better than any exhaust brake since.

I came off an E290 400, apart from the in cab differences they really sharpened up the steering ride and handling, where every 400 i drove had one good steering lock (right) the other lock (left) was hopeless, like trying to turn a supertanker around, the 401 considering it was much longer wheelbase and twin steer into the bargain had an excellent turning circle both ways, steering was precise too.

One poor feature was the air dump valve for the second steer (my first with with an air ride axle), to take weight off that axle you had to hold down a heavily sprung push button valve which when released reinflated the air bags, very awkward doing this for extended periods off road cos it wasn’t exactly close to the driver, also the two flat spring like bars each side which located that second steer (forgive my lack of technical terms here) the bends at each end folded over the bush would splay over rough ground (bulker tipping) leading to loose bushes, sorted by our mechanic welding said ends up which cured the problem permanently.
Course this was the Brit maker’s first foray into twin steers taking advtantage of the much cheaper VED for 6 axles @ 38tons at the time, as i recall at the time wasn’t a 4x2 tractor running @ 38 tons paying around £3200 a year but if 6 axles something like £1000 or 1500? The axle didn’t raise off the ground fully even when empty, though can’t say as the vehicle displayed the horrid handling some current 6x2’s display if the axle is automatically down lightly loaded, but then most of the current fleet motors the center mid lift doesn’t steer…apparently thats progress?

Other than those minor criticisms 401 was a very fine working vehicle all round.

[arcdaz]

DEANB:
Popped some stuff on about Mould’s back on page 357,but here some more about them.

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Dean Surprise surprise fantastic work here lovely to see all these articles of the rebuild of John Moulds Scammell routeman tipper what a great read up about this project that he took on and bult from scatch. Me and the wife have rode in this truck of johns at gaydon truck show it drives well and sounds sweet as a nut Paul Gee has taken some excellent pictures of moulds man tippers too sadley all the man fleet has now been replaced with new shape renaults now added to his fleet of trucks plus his new Volvo artics that pull the low loader trailers or the tipper trailers for scrap waste etc etc a friend of mine Rickey Lovejoy drives one of artics for john and his father keith worked for them too.Many Thanks again Dean Paul mark for posting and sharing all the articles and pictures great affects.Regards Daz

[suedehead]

The Merc van with trailer is Itie, the white stripes on the bumper signify it did Euro trans, probably loaded with leather settees. Looks like a RHD aswell.
Re the John Carr lorry, something in the back of my memory(whats left of it) tells me that they were from the Doncaster area, timber merchants maybe ?
Cracking pics as ever Dean

[oiltreader]

J Mould then and now, credit to Flicktone and eastleighbusman for the photos.
Oily

[finbarot]

hi Dean
thanks for the Volvo
Nice and comfortable as they are they just don’t look as imposing as an old ,run into the ground ’ Foden
Maybe I’m going through some kind of crisis??
Again!!!

[gazsa401]

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Anyone recognise the Seddon Atkinson 401. Did they offer that colour scheme on there demonstrators or a very similar
colour from memory ?
Hey up Dean
That colour scheme was the factories for demonstrators at Stirlands we had a Turbo Gardner powered 401 in the same colours
ABA 518Y which came as a long term demo motor
After 3 months it had that much mileage put on it Scott’s ( the local SA dealer ) offered it to Stirlands at a good discount rate
It performed so well they bought many more
Cheers Gary [emoji106]

[steelboyf10]

Nicked off eBay…

[deanb]

Juddian:
DeanB. re 401 demo.

Not sure about the brown scheme above, but my boss bought a 6x2 401 demo in 84, it was two colour white over blue cab with a two colour diamond shape on each door in the white section , comprising of two colured wide stripes making the sloping rectangle, one of the colours was blue i think the other was orange but don’t take that as gospel.
Only in that colour for a few months before it went into the paint shop for fleet colour.

To this day still one of the best tractors i’ve ever been issued with, 14 litre E320 with a different to normal set of injectors slotted in by SA dealer Vee and Inline’s Daventry, i’m pretty sure that upped it to 350 spec because its sister motor bought new couldn’t stay with it, Fuller Roadranger and Rockwell axle geared it for 70mph @ 1100 rpm which produced amazing fuel figures considering the progress that could be made, also had Jake on 4 of the 6 pots because the necessary parts needed for the centre 2 cyls wasn’t available at the time it was fitted, even on 4 cyls the retarding was amazing, better than any exhaust brake since.

Well that pic certainly brought back some memories Juddian.
Posted a brochure on page 401 about the 401 !

ArcDaz:
“DEANB”

Popped some stuff on about Mould’s back on page 357,but here some more about them.

Dean Surprise surprise fantastic work here lovely to see all these articles of the rebuild of John Moulds Scammell routeman tipper what a great read up about this project that he took on and bult from scatch. Me and the wife have rode in this truck of johns at gaydon truck show it drives well and sounds sweet as a nut Paul Gee has taken some excellent pictures of moulds man tippers too sadley all the man fleet has now been replaced with new shape renaults now added to his fleet of trucks plus his new Volvo artics that pull the low loader trailers or the tipper trailers for scrap waste etc etc a friend of mine Rickey Lovejoy drives one of artics for john and his father keith worked for them too.Many Thanks again Dean Paul mark for posting and sharing all the articles and pictures great affects.Regards Daz

I thought you might like that Daz. What are the odds that you have been in that truck.

Heres one of his Daf artics and a couple of newer Renault’s.

Suedehead:
The Merc van with trailer is Itie, the white stripes on the bumper signify it did Euro trans, probably loaded with leather settees. Looks like a RHD aswell.
Re the John Carr lorry, something in the back of my memory(whats left of it) tells me that they were from the Doncaster area, timber merchants maybe ?
Cracking pics as ever Dean

Yeah i thought it was Italian,must admit i never noticed it was RHD ! Thanks for the info on the John Carr motor.

oiltreader:
J Mould then and now, credit to Flicktone and eastleighbusman for the photos.
Oily

Thanks for the pics Oily.

finbarot:
hi Dean
thanks for the Volvo
Nice and comfortable as they are they just don’t look as imposing as an old ,run into the ground ’ Foden
Maybe I’m going through some kind of crisis??
Again!!!

Must admit those old Fodens did have a look about them.

Heres one thats a bit different built for the South African market.

gazsa401:
Anyone recognise the Seddon Atkinson 401. Did they offer that colour scheme on there demonstrators or a very similar
colour from memory ?

Hey up Dean
That colour scheme was the factories for demonstrators at Stirlands we had a Turbo Gardner powered 401 in the same colours
ABA 518Y which came as a long term demo motor
After 3 months it had that much mileage put on it Scott’s ( the local SA dealer ) offered it to Stirlands at a good discount rate
It performed so well they bought many more
Cheers Gary [emoji106]

Thanks for the comments Gary. Heres an advert of Scott’s.

steelboyf10:
Nicked off eBay…

Posted that brochure on page 401 “steelboyf10”

[deanb]

Some oldies.

[chris_webb]

Suedehead:
The Merc van with trailer is Itie, the white stripes on the bumper signify it did Euro trans, probably loaded with leather settees. Looks like a RHD aswell.
Re the John Carr lorry, something in the back of my memory(whats left of it) tells me that they were from the Doncaster area, timber merchants maybe ?
Cracking pics as ever Dean

John Carr was taken over by JELD-WEN apparantly,their head office is on Retford Road Sheffield S13,I used to take standards of timber into there off Canada Dock L’pool int 60s.It was called Rothervale Joinery in those days.

[deanb]

We have had plenty of Seddon Atkinson 401’s on here.They seemed very popular in the big fuel fleets.

Heres a bit for the 401 fans.

[deanb]

Juddian you mentioned Vee &Inline the Atkinson dealer and the one you had with a ■■■■■■■ 320.

Heres a roadtest about one,although it had some fuel issues.

Click on page twice to read.

Spec sheet.

[deanb]

Drivers review’s.

Click on pages twice to read.

This may have been like the blue one you had Juddian.

[deanb]

Here’s an article about the 401.

Click on pages twice to read.

[deanb]

Anyone recognise the ERF ?

Anyone recognise the Mercedes tipper ?

Remember seeing this Bedford TM locally and think it belonged to Sait’s the scrapyard on Nuffield Ind Estate,Poole.

No idea who the white Iveco belonged to seen here going past Poole hospital. A few sheds in this pic.Is that a Datsun
on the RHS ? Looks like possibly a Viva behind.

The name is not very clear on the Scania headboard ■■ Looks like a BOCM Leyland Bison behind.

Anyone know where the Drake Bros Seddon Atkinson 200 is from ■■

R.Blackman’s Roadtrain from Bordon.

Corralls Leyland Constructor seen here heading back to the depot on the docks.

A couple of Stretch Transport’s Volvo F7’s heading into Poole.

I dont remember seeing this Marathon of Ings from near Fordingbridge,only there DAF 2800’s.

[birdie4x4]

Hi DEAN, hope you don’t mind me posting a picture of a firm I started driving for. NOT MY PICTURE found on facebook.

Steve

[buzzer]

Hi Dean Drake Bros were from Pollards Moor, Bartley near Cadnam, they were first and foremost coalmen but did a bit of general haulage as well, used to ride me bike past there yard every day on me way to Bartley High School (it was on a hill) chairs Buzzer.

[arcdaz]

DEANB:

Juddian:
DeanB. re 401 demo.

Not sure about the brown scheme above, but my boss bought a 6x2 401 demo in 84, it was two colour white over blue cab with a two colour diamond shape on each door in the white section , comprising of two colured wide stripes making the sloping rectangle, one of the colours was blue i think the other was orange but don’t take that as gospel.
Only in that colour for a few months before it went into the paint shop for fleet colour.

To this day still one of the best tractors i’ve ever been issued with, 14 litre E320 with a different to normal set of injectors slotted in by SA dealer Vee and Inline’s Daventry, i’m pretty sure that upped it to 350 spec because its sister motor bought new couldn’t stay with it, Fuller Roadranger and Rockwell axle geared it for 70mph @ 1100 rpm which produced amazing fuel figures considering the progress that could be made, also had Jake on 4 of the 6 pots because the necessary parts needed for the centre 2 cyls wasn’t available at the time it was fitted, even on 4 cyls the retarding was amazing, better than any exhaust brake since.

Well that pic certainly brought back some memories Juddian.
Posted a brochure on page 401 about the 401 !

ArcDaz:
“DEANB”

Popped some stuff on about Mould’s back on page 357,but here some more about them.

Dean Surprise surprise fantastic work here lovely to see all these articles of the rebuild of John Moulds Scammell routeman tipper what a great read up about this project that he took on and bult from scatch. Me and the wife have rode in this truck of johns at gaydon truck show it drives well and sounds sweet as a nut Paul Gee has taken some excellent pictures of moulds man tippers too sadley all the man fleet has now been replaced with new shape renaults now added to his fleet of trucks plus his new Volvo artics that pull the low loader trailers or the tipper trailers for scrap waste etc etc a friend of mine Rickey Lovejoy drives one of artics for john and his father keith worked for them too.Many Thanks again Dean Paul mark for posting and sharing all the articles and pictures great affects.Regards Daz

I thought you might like that Daz. What are the odds that you have been in that truck.
Dean brilliant work here again my friend Rickey was the regular for that Daf artic unit hauling machines and plant to jobs etc.Thanks to Paul Gee for snapping the cracking pictrues of the couple of newer Renaults
Heres one of his Daf artics and a couple of newer Renault’s.

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Suedehead:
The Merc van with trailer is Itie, the white stripes on the bumper signify it did Euro trans, probably loaded with leather settees. Looks like a RHD aswell.
Re the John Carr lorry, something in the back of my memory(whats left of it) tells me that they were from the Doncaster area, timber merchants maybe ?
Cracking pics as ever Dean

Yeah i thought it was Italian,must admit i never noticed it was RHD ! Thanks for the info on the John Carr motor.

oiltreader:
J Mould then and now, credit to Flicktone and eastleighbusman for the photos.
Oily

Thanks for the pics Oily.

finbarot:
hi Dean
thanks for the Volvo
Nice and comfortable as they are they just don’t look as imposing as an old ,run into the ground ’ Foden
Maybe I’m going through some kind of crisis??
Again!!!

Must admit those old Fodens did have a look about them.

Heres one thats a bit different built for the South African market.

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gazsa401:
Anyone recognise the Seddon Atkinson 401. Did they offer that colour scheme on there demonstrators or a very similar
colour from memory ?

Hey up Dean
That colour scheme was the factories for demonstrators at Stirlands we had a Turbo Gardner powered 401 in the same colours
ABA 518Y which came as a long term demo motor
After 3 months it had that much mileage put on it Scott’s ( the local SA dealer ) offered it to Stirlands at a good discount rate
It performed so well they bought many more
Cheers Gary [emoji106]

Thanks for the comments Gary. Heres an advert of Scott’s.

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steelboyf10:
Nicked off eBay…

Posted that brochure on page 401 “steelboyf10”

[kempston]

Re the John Carr lorry, something in the back of my memory(whats left of it) tells me that they were from the Doncaster area, timber merchants maybe ?
Cracking pics as ever Dean

Think you are correct, I’m sure they did wooden doors.