PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[dave_docwra]

Hi Dean, Great input as always, which is most appreciated.

P&C Hamilton are still going and I see them reguarly at the A1 Black Cat Roundabout all the time, they must have a few motors on the road.

I remember when there yard was a lay-by just north of Ballantrae on the A77 which would have been about 43 years ago.

Regards Dave.

[kempston]

Juddian wrote:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Was that the Clarks Transport with the smart green bulkers?

[juddian]

DEANB:

Juddian:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Think this is the Clarkes you drove for,although dont think we have any old ones. John (smallcoal) drives for Clarkes.

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Wrong Clarks.

Clarks was almost all bulk tippers, with a handful of flats, and maybe 4 or 5 Rolonoffs, livery was British Racing Green, black chassis, usually white bumper and sometimes white grill, usually silver painted wheels, the best painted and best maintained fleet in the area by a country mile.
Not a foreign vehicle there, depending on timeline, Crusaders, Sed Ack 400/401, ERF’s.
Only ever seen one pic of a Clarks motor on these pages, sleeper cabbed Crusader on the motorway with my old mate Worzel at the helm…that particular Crusader had a Ford Tranconti rear axle fitted which resulted in one being able to slip it up into top gear at a cool 75mph

[juddian]

Kempston:
Juddian wrote:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Was that the Clarks Transport with the smart green bulkers?

Thats the one Kempston, a place i learned a lot at in all sorts of ways, i’d have been late twenties early thirties when i used to load out of Smiths.

[deanb]

MaggieD:
Hi Dean,

The DAF with the cherry pickers is Ashtead Plant Hire ( A Plant) depots in Farnham,Romsey,and Avonmouth now known as Sunbelt Rentals I think.

Regards
Richard

Thanks for the name Richard. I wonder why they dont adverise there name and phone number,always seems
a bit silly not to have free advertising on your truck.

atlas man:
“DEANB”
“atlas man” I dont think we have had any Atlas Express motor’s on here.

Thanks for the information and pictures and you are right for such a big company theres very little about them on here

Kempston:
“DEANB”

Dont think we have had a Courtenham motor on before ? Anyone know where they are from ■■

Courtenhams are from Braintree Dean.

Thanks for the details “Kempston”

jshepguis:
Hi Dean.
We have had the Adam Jones vehicles on before based in Halesowen now I think. Were originally mostly blue but now the dreaded boring white. This vehicle is in a contract company colour scheme for Steel and Alloy.

Thanks for the info Steve. Paul saw your message and sent me a boring white one !

windrush:
Lister Wilder have a few branches in the south, I remember they took over Tractor and Farm Aids (Ferguson dealers) when I lived in Reading.

Pete.

Thanks Pete,heres another one.

finbarot:
Hi Dean
probably wrong, but Im guessing 1959, and Drinkwaters.

Well Tony i thought you would know bearing in mind it was your favourite company,but i am impressed you got
the year right.

Says they were expecting “bodies” but does not mention what chassis they were being fitted too.

Click on once to read.

finbarot:
Dean
what I do know with some certainty is that the first pd equipment was mounted on a Guy chassis fitted with a 240 Gardner pre production prototype!!
and before you ask, no I don’t have a picture of it sadly

Dont think i have either. But i do have one of a Guy from 1966, but for another company.

kingswinford kit:
“DEANB”

Mike Brookes Volvo,looks like Hereford on the door ?

Hi Dean ,yes Mike Brookes ,are from Hereford ,based on the Rotherwas Ind Estate ,regards Keith

Thanks for the info Keith.

You will probably know/remember Hereford Transport,and heres a clipping from 1983.

dave docwra:
Hi Dean, Great input as always, which is most appreciated.

P&C Hamilton are still going and I see them reguarly at the A1 Black Cat Roundabout all the time, they must have a few motors on the road.

I remember when there yard was a lay-by just north of Ballantrae on the A77 which would have been about 43 years ago.

Regards Dave.

Thanks for your comments Dve,glad to hear they are still going,have not seen one for a long time.

Heres one we have had before.

Kempston:
Juddian wrote:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Was that the Clarks Transport with the smart green bulkers?

If it is i have posted the wrong company…

Juddian:
“DEANB” “Juddian” DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Think this is the Clarkes you drove for,although dont think we have any old ones. John (smallcoal) drives for Clarkes.

Wrong Clarks.

Clarks was almost all bulk tippers, with a handful of flats, and maybe 4 or 5 Rolonoffs, livery was British Racing Green, black chassis, usually white bumper and sometimes white grill, usually silver painted wheels, the best painted and best maintained fleet in the area by a country mile.
Not a foreign vehicle there, depending on timeline, Crusaders, Sed Ack 400/401, ERF’s.
Only ever seen one pic of a Clarks motor on these pages, sleeper cabbed Crusader on the motorway with my old mate Worzel at the helm…that particular Crusader had a Ford Tranconti rear axle fitted which resulted in one being able to slip it up into gear at a cool 75mph

Oh well at least John will like the Clarkes pics…

Not sure if i have anything on that Clarks Juddian,will have a look. Have you any pics you can pop on ?

[buzzer]

dave docwra:
Hi Dean, Great input as always, which is most appreciated.

P&C Hamilton are still going and I see them reguarly at the A1 Black Cat Roundabout all the time, they must have a few motors on the road.

I remember when there yard was a lay-by just north of Ballantrae on the A77 which would have been about 43 years ago.

Regards Dave.

Hi Dean we backload P&C Hamilton on occasions, Buzzer

[juddian]

DeanB, i haven’t one single pic of any of the fleets i drove for, and yes now fast approaching retirement its something i know i should have kept a pictoral record of.
Never saw the point when i was younger, even when mobile phones with camera arrived i never thought to take pics, by then the motors just weren’t as interesting as the older tackle i drove, that’s the only excuse i can think of at the moment
Apologies, as i said above only ever seen one pic on this forum of any of Clarks, pity because it was a well presented hard working fleet, some decent sticks worked there and the Clark’s themselves were decent honourable people.

[smallcoal]

DEANB:

Juddian:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Think this is the Clarkes you drove for,although dont think we have any old ones. John (smallcoal) drives for Clarkes.

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Hi dean vvo is the sister to mine and vvl,cracking Clarke’s pics

[stargazer148]

Hi Maggie d A plant also have a depot in Edinburgh cheers Ray

[finbarot]

Well Tony i thought you would know bearing in mind it was your favourite company,but i am impressed you got
the year right.

Says they were expecting “bodies” but does not mention what chassis they were being fitted too.

Hi Dean

I was hoping for a huge cash prize!!
They went on Fodens I believe. The ‘brick outhouse’ of lorries.And were a huge success.The first of very many.
Thanks again.

[curnock]

Kempston:

dave docwra:
EMR (European metal recycling) are a massive player in the scrap world with depots all over the UK, Their head office is in Warrington.

They bought out the firm where I was transport manager, Smith & Co (Bedford) Ltd, don’t know if they bought out Williams of Hitchin and Ampthill scrap but haven’t seen their lorries around for a while now.

your old foden roros come upto darlaston

[scaniaontheroad]

DEANB:

marktaff:
Hi Dean,
Lovely pic of this showmans ERF you have kindly posted…they have clearly altered this Marsden or it could by a Vanplan body to suit this ERF…I love how they have cut away part of the luton to keep the bill board above the can visible.

Regards Mark

Never noticed that Mark.

moomooland:
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7E. Kidd Transport was established more than 60 years ago to provide haulage services for a number of major manufacturers in the Lancaster area.

3When Ernest Kidd established E. Kidd Transport the work was predominately with local farmers, delivering cattle to markets.
By the end of the 1960’s Kidds were establishing themselves not only in agricultural and milk haulage but also in general haulage.

6Throughout the 1970’s business boomed with Kidds quickly outgrowing their Melling site.
They moved operations to a new purpose built site at the old Lancaster Power Station coal yard just off Caton Road in 1978 where new offices and a new workshop were built.
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4Still in business today Kidds Transport, as they are now known, run a a modern fleet of Scania trucks,

Thanks for the info and pics Paul. Its nice to see an old company still going after all these years.

Paul has just sent me some more recent ones through and they still seem keen on Scanias.

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When was the photo of J70KTL taken as i ran that motor from2016 till 2018 till i came home to canada.

tribsa:
Hi Dean & All

The T+LT ERF was Tate & Lyle Transport.
If Iam correct they had a depot in Calmore Totton Southampton
May even have been ERF dealers for a short while

Cheers Rich

Hello Rich, you could be right chap i dont know. But the only Tate & Lyle trucks i have ever seen have always had the full name
on them and i have not seen them in that colour scheme or with “distribution” on them ?

[kempston]

Juddian:

Kempston:
Juddian wrote:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Was that the Clarks Transport with the smart green bulkers?

Thats the one Kempston, a place i learned a lot at in all sorts of ways, i’d have been late twenties early thirties when i used to load out of Smiths.

I would have been about the same age so I would guess our paths may have met without knowing.

[kempston]

curnock:

Kempston:

dave docwra:
EMR (European metal recycling) are a massive player in the scrap world with depots all over the UK, Their head office is in Warrington.

They bought out the firm where I was transport manager, Smith & Co (Bedford) Ltd, don’t know if they bought out Williams of Hitchin and Ampthill scrap but haven’t seen their lorries around for a while now.

your old foden roros come upto darlaston

Yes Curnock they did, they went a fair way off really for that sort of work, Torridge in Devon being the furthest and Manchester. Torridge I used to put them on a night out as the first time we did the job the driver went 30 minutes over his hours so thereafter I gave them other work until lunchtime then they ran down there and parked up for the night then loaded and drove back next day. Manchester was ok in a day.

[tonyj105]

Juddian:

DEANB:

Juddian:
DeanB wrote

Who did you drive for Juddian ■■

At the time Clarks Transport Wellingborough, back when i lived in the area.

Think this is the Clarkes you drove for,although dont think we have any old ones. John (smallcoal) drives for Clarkes.

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Wrong Clarks.

Clarks was almost all bulk tippers, with a handful of flats, and maybe 4 or 5 Rolonoffs, livery was British Racing Green, black chassis, usually white bumper and sometimes white grill, usually silver painted wheels, the best painted and best maintained fleet in the area by a country mile.
Not a foreign vehicle there, depending on timeline, Crusaders, Sed Ack 400/401, ERF’s.
Only ever seen one pic of a Clarks motor on these pages, sleeper cabbed Crusader on the motorway with my old mate Worzel at the helm…that particular Crusader had a Ford Tranconti rear axle fitted which resulted in one being able to slip it up into top gear at a cool 75mph

and if you go back to 1972/3 it was GUY big J’s + gardner 180’s and RR220’s a seddon 32/4 rr220, a commer TS3, i’m pretty sure there was a leyland badger , the 1st GUY big J 6 (aec 505) rollonoff, which used the old bodies off the 24’ bulkers, a couple of proper rollonoff bulk bodies, a rollonoff flatbed to use on bridle and cross steel, and a chaseside shovel he had me driving to northampton and irthlingborough to load the lorries up, that was when i wasn’t in the workshop or the tyre shed or shunting or shovelling. the 1st GUY with a ■■■■■■■ was on an L plate , my dad told harold they were the best engines going , we’d had 2 of them , dont think harold was that keen but peter was. anyway dad hoiked me out of there after about 9 months to work for him and a few months later it was ferrymasters in the traffic office.

[tastrucker]

DEANB:
P & C Hamilton always run tidy motors. Are they still going ■■

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Adam Jones Transport Scania,anyone know where they are based ?

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Crisp Malting Group Volvo bulker.

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R.M.Page & Sons Volvo.

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Cemtex DAF.

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“FLOURPOWER” Rank Hovis ERF.

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Dont think we have had a Courtenham motor on before ? Anyone know where they are from ■■

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Mike Brookes Volvo,looks like Hereford on the door ?

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Dont think we have had a Lister Wilder motor on before,anyone know where they are based ■■

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Trevor, Greyroads Scania. Any idea where the pic was taken ?

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Hello DEAN ,that Greyroads Scania ,looks if it could be Newtown on the A483 ,they use that road hauling scrap to S Wales ,thank you ,Trevor

[juddian]

tonyj105:

Juddian:

DEANB:

Juddian:

and if you go back to 1972/3 it was GUY big J’s + gardner 180’s and RR220’s a seddon 32/4 rr220, a commer TS3, i’m pretty sure there was a leyland badger , the 1st GUY big J 6 (aec 505) rollonoff, which used the old bodies off the 24’ bulkers, a couple of proper rollonoff bulk bodies, a rollonoff flatbed to use on bridle and cross steel, and a chaseside shovel he had me driving to northampton and irthlingborough to load the lorries up, that was when i wasn’t in the workshop or the tyre shed or shunting or shovelling. the 1st GUY with a ■■■■■■■ was on an L plate , my dad told harold they were the best engines going , we’d had 2 of them , dont think harold was that keen but peter was. anyway dad hoiked me out of there after about 9 months to work for him and a few months later it was ferrymasters in the traffic office.

Hell fire i remember that Seddon, around '77 was working elsewhere but had run out of hours and log booked it home (Leics Forest or maybe Corley), next morning log booking it back to me 180 Gardnered jalopy i got picked up by a jovial chap in the Seddon with a bulker behind, no sooner had we dropped onto the M1 than we were cruising at a steady 70mph all the way, that was an eye opener to me who couldn’t get much past 50 with a tail wind.

That 505 engined BigJ went on for years.
When the Scammells eventually passed there were only 3 motors in the yard without a ■■■■■■■ lump as i recall, all 6 wheelers with Multilift hookloaders, Leyland engined Constructor best off roader i ever drove, you couldn’t get it stuck, one motorcyclist near Newport Pagnell owes his life to the brakes on that Constructor when he lost control and slid under the front bumper, that Leyland stopped instantly, Alec at the helm, SA 400 with 201 Gardner and SA 300 with International engine, that IH had to be tweaked at N’pton Diesels because 1st gear on the 6 speed box wasn’t low enough for heavy tip work and the engine simply ran out of steam, N’pton Diesels transformed that poor puller in half an hour into a flying machine with stacks of low down torque, Hearns had already had a go and made not a scrap of difference.
The 300 wasn’t the best off road anyway, it had double drive but was basically the same as London Brick motors, designed for light off road not something to rival Fodens on tip work.

They tried a couple of Leylands, one Marathon and one T45, both ■■■■■■■ E290 lumps, cab rust was a problem in those days but they were something else, ride quality on both was abysmal compared to Sed Acks and given the much lower gearing of the Leylands they were heavier on fuel than the really high geared Seds, my SedAck would druise at 70 at 1100 rpm and gave fuel economy that would make new tackle stuffed to the gills with computers blush in embarrassment, after i left for other things noticed more ERFs than anything else, till as you know eventually they shut down.

Was sad to see them close down, they paid well for general in the area and were good polite people to work for, the equipment was maintained to the n’th degree and generally specified to be well on top of the job, just there wasn’t the rate in the corn job any more and with the demise of the boot and shoe trade in this country the leather waste side was dying a death.

[tonyj105]

yes being on top of a rollonof when it was full of scrap leather and then going up another 6 or 7 levels of hessian sacks full of scrap and in filling as you go wasn’t for the faint hearted , and that guy was like a galleon in gale when it was loaded like that . nearly lost a finger as well , i cut open a bag of scrap and nearly cut my bloody finger off
juddian did you ever get to do the good stuff, marinated bone, flershings , scutch , you know the stinky , slimy stuff
tony

[deanb]

Buzzer:

dave docwra:
Hi Dean, Great input as always, which is most appreciated.

P&C Hamilton are still going and I see them reguarly at the A1 Black Cat Roundabout all the time, they must have a few motors on the road.

I remember when there yard was a lay-by just north of Ballantrae on the A77 which would have been about 43 years ago.

Regards Dave.

Hi Dean we backload P&C Hamilton on occasions, Buzzer

They look like they would be a good company Buzzer as always look tidy motors.

Juddian:
DeanB, i haven’t one single pic of any of the fleets i drove for, and yes now fast approaching retirement its something i know i should have kept a pictoral record of.
Never saw the point when i was younger, even when mobile phones with camera arrived i never thought to take pics, by then the motors just weren’t as interesting as the older tackle i drove, that’s the only excuse i can think of at the moment
Apologies, as i said above only ever seen one pic on this forum of any of Clarks, pity because it was a well presented hard working fleet, some decent sticks worked there and the Clark’s themselves were decent honourable people.

I know what you mean Juddian,we all wish we had taken alot more pics. Although i dont have a pic of Clarks on the computer
i have tons of stuff not scanned so have made a note of the company and you never know something may turn up.

smallcoal:
“DEANB”

Think this is the Clarkes you drove for,although dont think we have any old ones. John (smallcoal) drives for Clarkes.

Hi dean vvo is the sister to mine and vvl,cracking Clarke’s pics

Once this poxy virus is under control and Paul can get back to Wales he may get a pic of yours John.

stargazer148:
Hi Maggie d A plant also have a depot in Edinburgh cheers Ray

Cheers Ray.

finbarot:
Well Tony i thought you would know bearing in mind it was your favourite company,but i am impressed you got
the year right.

Says they were expecting “bodies” but does not mention what chassis they were being fitted too.

Hi Dean

I was hoping for a huge cash prize!!
They went on Fodens I believe. The ‘brick outhouse’ of lorries.And were a huge success.The first of very many.
Thanks again.

Cash prize ! Never mind you are going to be disappointed then…
Anyway i have spoilt you,but there’s more !

scaniaontheroad:
“DEANB”

Paul has just sent me some more recent ones through and they still seem keen on Scanias.

When was the photo of J70KTL taken as i ran that motor from2016 till 2018 till i came home to canada.

Do you know what page on the thread that pic was on and i will try and find out.

Kempston:
“curnock”
your old foden roros come upto darlaston

Yes Curnock they did, they went a fair way off really for that sort of work, Torridge in Devon being the furthest and Manchester. Torridge I used to put them on a night out as the first time we did the job the driver went 30 minutes over his hours so thereafter I gave them other work until lunchtime then they ran down there and parked up for the night then loaded and drove back next day. Manchester was ok in a day.

Thanks for your comments “curnock” & “Kempston”

tonyj105:
“Juddian”

Clarks was almost all bulk tippers, with a handful of flats, and maybe 4 or 5 Rolonoffs, livery was British Racing Green, black chassis, usually white bumper and sometimes white grill, usually silver painted wheels, the best painted and best maintained fleet in the area by a country mile.
Not a foreign vehicle there, depending on timeline, Crusaders, Sed Ack 400/401, ERF’s.
Only ever seen one pic of a Clarks motor on these pages, sleeper cabbed Crusader on the motorway with my old mate Worzel at the helm…that particular Crusader had a Ford Tranconti rear axle fitted which resulted in one being able to slip it up into top gear at a cool 75mph

and if you go back to 1972/3 it was GUY big J’s + gardner 180’s and RR220’s a seddon 32/4 rr220, a commer TS3, i’m pretty sure there was a leyland badger , the 1st GUY big J 6 (aec 505) rollonoff, which used the old bodies off the 24’ bulkers, a couple of proper rollonoff bulk bodies, a rollonoff flatbed to use on bridle and cross steel, and a chaseside shovel he had me driving to northampton and irthlingborough to load the lorries up, that was when i wasn’t in the workshop or the tyre shed or shunting or shovelling. the 1st GUY with a ■■■■■■■ was on an L plate , my dad told harold they were the best engines going , we’d had 2 of them , dont think harold was that keen but peter was. anyway dad hoiked me out of there after about 9 months to work for him and a few months later it was ferrymasters in the traffic office.

Thanks for your comments Tony. Lets hope we can find some pics or maybe someone else has some.

tastrucker:
“DEANB”

Trevor, Greyroads Scania. Any idea where the pic was taken ?

Hello DEAN ,that Greyroads Scania ,looks if it could be Newtown on the A483 ,they use that road hauling scrap to S Wales ,thank you ,Trevor

Thanks Trevor.

[juddian]

tonyj105:
yes being on top of a rollonof when it was full of scrap leather and then going up another 6 or 7 levels of hessian sacks full of scrap and in filling as you go wasn’t for the faint hearted , and that guy was like a galleon in gale when it was loaded like that . nearly lost a finger as well , i cut open a bag of scrap and nearly cut my bloody finger off
juddian did you ever get to do the good stuff, marinated bone, flershings , scutch , you know the stinky , slimy stuff
tony

Yup, the fleshings job was a regular for Hans, a more decent bloke i’ve yet to meet poor sod died only a few months after retiring (no man deserved a long retirement more than him), it was always a standing joke Pete would need to employ 3 drivers to replace him.
I did fleshings a few times when Hans was on holiday, carried a lot of wet bone and wet skins, skins were interesting to tip, you’d have to be ready on the brakes, get up to about 3 rams and nothing moved, get to 3.5 rams and it would all let go in an instant, you’d need to release the brake to make sure the tailboard didn’t get trapped but control the move cos it could shoot you forward at quite a rate.
Bermondsey (Croda?) was great, really sharpened your maneuvering up.
Compared to Chettles the smell was nothing to worry about, though Chetts had its good points, they said you’d never get a tug once they got a lungful of that.

DeanB, yes if you find any pics of Clarks it would be great to see them, obliged to you.