PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[punchy_dan]

Close but not enough,388 & 386 ? Magnifying glass needed

[deanb]

Frankydobo:
The LAD cabbed six wheeler having a wheel change could be either a T300 Dodge or Leyland Comet. Its the short door cab as it’s sitting squarely over the front wheel and not forward as in the long door. The long door Leyland’s being the Beaver, Hippo, Octopus. Pity the photo isn’t clearer even when enlarged. Franky.

You could be right about it being a Dodge Franky as Ray mentioned Dodge as well.

smallcoal:
Hi dean emr are based in Birmingham but got depots everywhere in the country,they called european metal recycling

Thanks John.

240 Gardner:
“DEANB”

One for Chris Gardner, Bowker Volvo.

Thank you

atlas man:
Im not sure were European metal recycling are from but they have a yard on Cross Green ind estate in Leeds

Thanks “atlas man”

ianto:
D & A Saunders come from Pembrokeshire always ran a lot of ERFs think they run VOLVOs now They did a lot of caravan haulage general and storage most of the wagons were painted red with nice signwriting

Thanks for the info Ian,miss all the old sign writing.

Chris Webb:
Hi Dean.
ABN stands for Associated British Nutrients I think.Anyway their feed mill is on Darlington Road Northallerton and I see them every day coming through Thirsk.Looks like they work 24/7 with both artics and 8-leggersThey make pig and poultry feed.They have sites all over the UK,big company.

Thanks for the name and info Chris.

Paul just sent me this pic through of one of there new Mercedes without mirrors and all done on cameras which
you look at in the cab. I have not driven a new lorry wih this set up. But am i missing something as surely if a fuse
or sensor goes the cameras will pack up and then you are totally blind ■■ So if you were in the middle lane of a
motorway for instance and this happened,how the hell are you supposed to move left to the hard shoulder when
you dont know whats along side you ? Can someone explain if i have got this totally wrong as it seems mad to me ?

dave docwra:
EMR (European metal recycling) are a massive player in the scrap world with depots all over the UK, Their head office is in Warrington.

Cheers Dave.

Kempston:

dave docwra:
EMR (European metal recycling) are a massive player in the scrap world with depots all over the UK, Their head office is in Warrington.

They bought out the firm where I was transport manager, Smith & Co (Bedford) Ltd, don’t know if they bought out Williams of Hitchin and Ampthill scrap but haven’t seen their lorries around for a while now.

Cheers Kempston,thanks for the comments.

Punchy Dan:
Close but not enough,388 & 386 ? Magnifying glass needed

Very close indeed Dan,i wonder if they also operated 387 ! Nice pic chap.

I think the other large scrap company in the UK is the 600 group.

Heres a bit about a fragmentizer machine from 1968. What i find intresting about some of these old articles
is the figures quoted. Bearing in mind this is 1968 and they are estimating that 175,000 cars will be scrapped just
in the South East alone. I wonder what that figure would be today,anyone involved in the scrap business that would know ■■

Click on pages twice to read.

I can remember Dave Corbin near Wimborne buying a second hand one of these from a company in Liverpool who were
replacing it with a larger one back in the 1980’s. It was run by a diesel engine that they used to fit in trains and used to
consume 80 gallons an hour ! Hell of a machine though,the way it used to seperate all the different types of metals and
rubbish into different piles.

Heres a few of his motors.

Took these pics when i was about 12 of a Marathon he operated,which did not last long.
I think this was the 3rd time it had fell over ! Mind you handy how the windscreen fell out in one piece.

[smallcoal]

Punchy Dan:
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Close but not enough,388 & 386 ? Magnifying glass needed

Hi Dan nice pic mate is that a young you in that pic and is that your dads truck

[kempston]

I think the other large scrap company in the UK is the 600 group.

Heres a bit about a fragmentizer machine from 1968. What i find intresting about some of these old articles
is the figures quoted. Bearing in mind this is 1968 and they are estimating that 175,000 cars will be scrapped just
in the South East alone. I wonder what that figure would be today,anyone involved in the scrap business that would know ■■

No idea in regards to the tonnage just for cars Dean but I used to dispatch between 1000 and 2000 tons a week of various different types of scrap ranging from aluminium, large electric motors, vehicle engines sheared RSJ’s, punchings, stainless, copper and other precious metals and pressed and sheared which was how they processed scrap vehicles, fridges etc. Fragmentising is another stage up from that which commanded more money, Ampthill scrap had a fragmentiser.

One of our best contracts was with Fords where we supplied sheared RSJ’s no bigger than 18 inches in any direction and had to be delivered by a certain time every day only on steel bodied bulkers or as we used to use Joseph Holloway’s with steel floored bulkers, Ford wouldn’t accept anything delivered by an aluminium bulker in case of contamination.Holloways were brilliant, they’d tip a load in London then run into us first thing in the morning and usually tip Fords just before lunch. Never let me down once, went up to their yard to ‘vet ‘ them before giving them the contract and was really impressed, nearly all family members from drivers to mechanics and office staff. Big West Brom fans.

[deanb]

Mid Development DAF from Worcester.

John Pearce DAF.

Arden MAN.

Loosemore’s Volvo.

Walton Scania.

Austin Wilkinson MAN.Cant remember if we have had one on before,anyone know where they are from ■■

David Hathaway Scania.

Maritime Scania.

Anyone recognise the Foden ■■

Anyone recognise the DAF ■■?

[coomsey]

Kempston:
I think the other large scrap company in the UK is the 600 group.

Heres a bit about a fragmentizer machine from 1968. What i find intresting about some of these old articles
is the figures quoted. Bearing in mind this is 1968 and they are estimating that 175,000 cars will be scrapped just
in the South East alone. I wonder what that figure would be today,anyone involved in the scrap business that would know ■■

No idea in regards to the tonnage just for cars Dean but I used to dispatch between 1000 and 2000 tons a week of various different types of scrap ranging from aluminium, large electric motors, vehicle engines sheared RSJ’s, punchings, stainless, copper and other precious metals and pressed and sheared which was how they processed scrap vehicles, fridges etc. Fragmentising is another stage up from that which commanded more money, Ampthill scrap had a fragmentiser.

One of our best contracts was with Fords where we supplied sheared RSJ’s no bigger than 18 inches in any direction and had to be delivered by a certain time every day only on steel bodied bulkers or as we used to use Joseph Holloway’s with steel floored bulkers, Ford wouldn’t accept anything delivered by an aluminium bulker in case of contamination.Holloways were brilliant, they’d tip a load in London then run into us first thing in the morning and usually tip Fords just before lunch. Never let me down once, went up to their yard to ‘vet ‘ them before giving them the contract and was really impressed, nearly all family members from drivers to mechanics and office staff. Big West Brom fans.

God only knows how much coal down n scrap back in the 70s, when we had a steel industry. Much shenanigans with scrap men trying to skim a bit here n there, mind you so did us drivers,we loved copper bales !
First load of 18"RSJs up from scrap yard in London to Ford’s Leamington spa, the checker measured a few at 20" n rejected the lot, took me 2days to get rid,next load they gave me a tenner for the checker, still got rejected, me n the missus had a good night out with it.

[arcdaz]

DEANB:

Frankydobo:
The LAD cabbed six wheeler having a wheel change could be either a T300 Dodge or Leyland Comet. Its the short door cab as it’s sitting squarely over the front wheel and not forward as in the long door. The long door Leyland’s being the Beaver, Hippo, Octopus. Pity the photo isn’t clearer even when enlarged. Franky.

You could be right about it being a Dodge Franky as Ray mentioned Dodge as well.

smallcoal:
Hi dean emr are based in Birmingham but got depots everywhere in the country,they called european metal recycling

Thanks John.

240 Gardner:
“DEANB”

One for Chris Gardner, Bowker Volvo.

Thank you

atlas man:
Im not sure were European metal recycling are from but they have a yard on Cross Green ind estate in Leeds

Thanks “atlas man”

ianto:
D & A Saunders come from Pembrokeshire always ran a lot of ERFs think they run VOLVOs now They did a lot of caravan haulage general and storage most of the wagons were painted red with nice signwriting

Thanks for the info Ian,miss all the old sign writing.

Chris Webb:
Hi Dean.
ABN stands for Associated British Nutrients I think.Anyway their feed mill is on Darlington Road Northallerton and I see them every day coming through Thirsk.Looks like they work 24/7 with both artics and 8-leggersThey make pig and poultry feed.They have sites all over the UK,big company.

Thanks for the name and info Chris.

Paul just sent me this pic through of one of there new Mercedes without mirrors and all done on cameras which
you look at in the cab. I have not driven a new lorry wih this set up. But am i missing something as surely if a fuse
or sensor goes the cameras will pack up and then you are totally blind ■■ So if you were in the middle lane of a
motorway for instance and this happened,how the hell are you supposed to move left to the hard shoulder when
you dont know whats along side you ? Can someone explain if i have got this totally wrong as it seems mad to me ?

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dave docwra:
EMR (European metal recycling) are a massive player in the scrap world with depots all over the UK, Their head office is in Warrington.

Cheers Dave.

Kempston:

dave docwra:
EMR (European metal recycling) are a massive player in the scrap world with depots all over the UK, Their head office is in Warrington.

They bought out the firm where I was transport manager, Smith & Co (Bedford) Ltd, don’t know if they bought out Williams of Hitchin and Ampthill scrap but haven’t seen their lorries around for a while now.

Cheers Kempston,thanks for the comments.

Punchy Dan:
Close but not enough,388 & 386 ? Magnifying glass needed

Very close indeed Dan,i wonder if they also operated 387 ! Nice pic chap.

I think the other large scrap company in the UK is the 600 group.

Heres a bit about a fragmentizer machine from 1968. What i find intresting about some of these old articles
is the figures quoted. Bearing in mind this is 1968 and they are estimating that 175,000 cars will be scrapped just
in the South East alone. I wonder what that figure would be today,anyone involved in the scrap business that would know ■■

Click on pages twice to read.

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I can remember Dave Corbin near Wimborne buying a second hand one of these from a company in Liverpool who were
replacing it with a larger one back in the 1980’s. It was run by a diesel engine that they used to fit in trains and used to
consume 80 gallons an hour ! Hell of a machine though,the way it used to seperate all the different types of metals and
rubbish into different piles.

Heres a few of his motors.

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Took these pics when i was about 12 of a Marathon he operated,which did not last long.
I think this was the 3rd time it had fell over ! Mind you handy how the windscreen fell out in one piece.

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Hi Dean i love the two articles about the scrap yard and the read up is excellent too when they have crushed the cars and load them on to the flatbed trailers to be taken away to a furnace for melting down. Many Thanks again for posting the articles and the mixed batch of photos best thread ever from you guys Daz

[windrush]

Talk of scrap reminds me of a story my pal told me, I may have already posted it in another thread in the past but hey ho, my memory isn’t THAT good!

He was in the pub one friday evening with no work on saturday and a local chap drinking there asked him if he could take his lorry loaded with copper wire to a scrappy in the Chesterfield area tomorrow for some cash in hand so he agreed. Truck was already loaded, a J Type Bedford, so off he went. Got to the yard (he hadn’t been before) and weighed in and the guy told him to tip it into a hopper at the far end of the yard so off he went. However then it all fell apart: trundling down the yard towards him was an Iron Fairy crane with a magnet hanging on the jib and it was at right angles to the crane so my pal stopped and let it past. Alas the copper cable suddenly flew up out of the body and the steel scrap cable etc hidden underneath had been magnetised by the crane passing overhead! Of course the load was rejected and my mate returned back to the owner who wasn’t happy, apparently he had been working this scam for ages with a couple of tons of copper on top of a few tons of steel cable and never had any problems. My mate insisted on getting paid though.

Pete.

[bewick]

On about all things scrap reminded me of a regular job we did over many years which was loads of 30ft lengths of scrap rail off the West Coast main line. We did the job for a local Rail contractor called Keith Gardner who I had known from when I was about 12 , him and his brother Jack had a garage and filling station at the bottom of the road where I lived in Kendal. Anyway Keith split from his Brother and got into Railway contracting and his depot was on BR property over the line from our eventual depot in Milnthorpe. So when Keith started getting more involved with BR he got the job of breaking up the long lengths of rail into 30 foot lengths which were then put through a Rolling Mill at Sunderland and they came out as 90ft lengths of bridge rail for the NCB. It was a great job for Bewick Transport as we used to drop m/t trailers into the old Furness marshalling yard at Carnforth to be loaded then a couple of chains and they were ready to go ! When they were tipped at Sunderland our motors reloaded woodpulp ex Hartlepool straight back to Milnthorpe ! You can’t get a much more intense A to B and back to A operation than that plus it was good all round earnings

this last shot is long serving Bewick Driver Chris Mitton waiting to tip at the Steel Works.

Cheers Dennis.

[ray_smyth]

DEANB:
Mid Development DAF from Worcester.

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John Pearce DAF.

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Arden MAN.

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Loosemore’s Volvo.

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Walton Scania.

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Austin Wilkinson MAN.Cant remember if we have had one on before,anyone know where they are from ■■

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David Hathaway Scania.

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Maritime Scania.

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Anyone recognise the Foden ■■

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Anyone recognise the DAF ■■?

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Hi Dean, I think Austin Wilkinson were originally from Salford, not sure. I understand that
they are now based at Atherton, about 5 miles east of Wigan. Cheers, Ray Smyth.

[finbarot]

Hi Dean
sorry just spotted the Powell Duffryn ad
Dempsters were American I believe, and PD had the licence to build the UK stuff. It was very popular back in the day, with lots of local councils running the smaller bin wagons, which would then transfer into the larger compacter bodies, some on artics.

[chris_webb]

Hi Ray and Dean.
Austin Wilkinson have been going a long time,I remember them in 60s. Like Ray says,from Salford originally.

[kempston]

finbarot:
Hi Dean
sorry just spotted the Powell Duffryn ad
Dempsters were American I believe, and PD had the licence to build the UK stuff. It was very popular back in the day, with lots of local councils running the smaller bin wagons, which would then transfer into the larger compacter bodies, some on artics.

The lorries I ran for Smiths all had Lacre PDE equipment, very good equipment, not the cheapest but good and strong with a service workshop near StAlbans.

[suedehead]

Bewick:
On about all things scrap reminded me of a regular job we did over many years which was loads of 30ft lengths of scrap rail off the West Coast main line. We did the job for a local Rail contractor called Keith Gardner who I had known from when I was about 12 , him and his brother Jack had a garage and filling station at the bottom of the road where I lived in Kendal. Anyway Keith split from his Brother and got into Railway contracting and his depot was on BR property over the line from our eventual depot in Milnthorpe. So when Keith started getting more involved with BR he got the job of breaking up the long lengths of rail into 30 foot lengths which were then put through a Rolling Mill at Sunderland and they came out as 90ft lengths of bridge rail for the NCB. It was a great job for Bewick Transport as we used to drop m/t trailers into the old Furness marshalling yard at Carnforth to be loaded then a couple of chains and they were ready to go ! When they were tipped at Sunderland our motors reloaded woodpulp ex Hartlepool straight back to Milnthorpe ! You can’t get a much more intense A to B and back to A operation than that plus it was good all round earnings
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this last shot is long serving Bewick Driver Chris Mitton waiting to tip at the Steel Works.
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Cheers Dennis.

Unusual roof on that Scania

[zb_anorak]

Suedehead:
Unusual roof on that Scania

The little-known Castleline.

[pete_smith]

Morning Dean,
EMR’s roots started in Rochdale with Sheppard brothers, the yard is still there in Uncouth street, they traded as the Sheppard group and tipped scrap on a patch of ground just off Regent road Liverpool (dockside near Pandoro dock) and used old 8 wheel tippers to take it around to Coopers dock which was situated on Seaforth or Alexander dock.
They then gained a presence in the West Midlands by joining forces with George Cohen’s 600 Group at their Kingsbury yard which also traded under the Sheppard Group. Around the mid 1990’s they linked up with Coopers Metals and the EMR named was formed.

As Kempston mentioned they bought out Smiths of Bedford as I remember one of their Foden Alpha’s based at Smethwick for a short while other companies I remember are,
Mayer Parry/Robinsons heavy shred,
Jordans? Newhaven
Dunn Brothers Birmingham
LMP? Salford yard half mile from the end of the M606
Not forgetting all of Cooper’s Metals yards nationwide which gave EMR access to a lot of docks and shredding equipment.
There are dozens more but can’t remember them!

[deanb]

Kempston:
I think the other large scrap company in the UK is the 600 group.

Heres a bit about a fragmentizer machine from 1968. What i find intresting about some of these old articles
is the figures quoted. Bearing in mind this is 1968 and they are estimating that 175,000 cars will be scrapped just
in the South East alone. I wonder what that figure would be today,anyone involved in the scrap business that would know ■■

No idea in regards to the tonnage just for cars Dean but I used to dispatch between 1000 and 2000 tons a week of various different types of scrap ranging from aluminium, large electric motors, vehicle engines sheared RSJ’s, punchings, stainless, copper and other precious metals and pressed and sheared which was how they processed scrap vehicles, fridges etc. Fragmentising is another stage up from that which commanded more money, Ampthill scrap had a fragmentiser.

One of our best contracts was with Fords where we supplied sheared RSJ’s no bigger than 18 inches in any direction and had to be delivered by a certain time every day only on steel bodied bulkers or as we used to use Joseph Holloway’s with steel floored bulkers, Ford wouldn’t accept anything delivered by an aluminium bulker in case of contamination.Holloways were brilliant, they’d tip a load in London then run into us first thing in the morning and usually tip Fords just before lunch. Never let me down once, went up to their yard to ‘vet ‘ them before giving them the contract and was really impressed, nearly all family members from drivers to mechanics and office staff. Big West Brom fans.

Hello “Kempton” the fragmentizer was an amazing piece of equipment in the way it seperated all the different metals
into seperate piles. I can remember in about 1985 Dave Corbin was telling me that he was sending 600 ton’s out a week
and was getting a thousand pounds a ton !! Cant remember which metal it was maybe copper. He was very shrewd
in business and would sit on metal for months if the price dropped and the yard would be overflowing with scrap,then
the market price would change and he would sell.

Sounds like Joseph Holloways were a good company with the service they gave you,heres a few of there motor’s.

Look’s like they changed there colour scheme.

coomsey:
God only knows how much coal down n scrap back in the 70s, when we had a steel industry. Much shenanigans with scrap men trying to skim a bit here n there, mind you so did us drivers,we loved copper bales !
First load of 18"RSJs up from scrap yard in London to Ford’s Leamington spa, the checker measured a few at 20" n rejected the lot, took me 2days to get rid,next load they gave me a tenner for the checker, still got rejected, me n the missus had a good night out with it.

“good night out” classic “coomsey”

ArcDaz:
Hi Dean i love the two articles about the scrap yard and the read up is excellent too when they have crushed the cars and load them on to the flatbed trailers to be taken away to a furnace for melting down. Many Thanks again for posting the articles and the mixed batch of photos best thread ever from you guys Daz

Those old articles are usually intresting,glad you liked it Daz.

windrush:
Talk of scrap reminds me of a story my pal told me, I may have already posted it in another thread in the past but hey ho, my memory isn’t THAT good!

He was in the pub one friday evening with no work on saturday and a local chap drinking there asked him if he could take his lorry loaded with copper wire to a scrappy in the Chesterfield area tomorrow for some cash in hand so he agreed. Truck was already loaded, a J Type Bedford, so off he went. Got to the yard (he hadn’t been before) and weighed in and the guy told him to tip it into a hopper at the far end of the yard so off he went. However then it all fell apart: trundling down the yard towards him was an Iron Fairy crane with a magnet hanging on the jib and it was at right angles to the crane so my pal stopped and let it past. Alas the copper cable suddenly flew up out of the body and the steel scrap cable etc hidden underneath had been magnetised by the crane passing overhead! Of course the load was rejected and my mate returned back to the owner who wasn’t happy, apparently he had been working this scam for ages with a couple of tons of copper on top of a few tons of steel cable and never had any problems. My mate insisted on getting paid though.

Pete.

Another classic Pete.

Bewick:
On about all things scrap reminded me of a regular job we did over many years which was loads of 30ft lengths of scrap rail off the West Coast main line. We did the job for a local Rail contractor called Keith Gardner who I had known from when I was about 12 , him and his brother Jack had a garage and filling station at the bottom of the road where I lived in Kendal. Anyway Keith split from his Brother and got into Railway contracting and his depot was on BR property over the line from our eventual depot in Milnthorpe. So when Keith started getting more involved with BR he got the job of breaking up the long lengths of rail into 30 foot lengths which were then put through a Rolling Mill at Sunderland and they came out as 90ft lengths of bridge rail for the NCB. It was a great job for Bewick Transport as we used to drop m/t trailers into the old Furness marshalling yard at Carnforth to be loaded then a couple of chains and they were ready to go ! When they were tipped at Sunderland our motors reloaded woodpulp ex Hartlepool straight back to Milnthorpe ! You can’t get a much more intense A to B and back to A operation than that plus it was good all round earnings

this last shot is long serving Bewick Driver Chris Mitton waiting to tip at the Steel Works.

Cheers Dennis.

Thanks for the comments and photos Dennis,sounds like a good roundtrip.

Ray Smyth:
“DEANB”

Austin Wilkinson MAN.Cant remember if we have had one on before,anyone know where they are from ■■

Hi Dean, I think Austin Wilkinson were originally from Salford, not sure. I understand that
they are now based at Atherton, about 5 miles east of Wigan. Cheers, Ray Smyth.

Thanks for the info Ray.

finbarot:
Hi Dean
sorry just spotted the Powell Duffryn ad
Dempsters were American I believe, and PD had the licence to build the UK stuff. It was very popular back in the day, with lots of local councils running the smaller bin wagons, which would then transfer into the larger compacter bodies, some on artics.

Thanks for the info Tony,heres another advert from 1966.

Chris Webb:
Hi Ray and Dean.
Austin Wilkinson have been going a long time,I remember them in 60s. Like Ray says,from Salford originally.

Thanks for confirming that Chris.

Kempston:
“finbarot” Hi Dean
sorry just spotted the Powell Duffryn ad
Dempsters were American I believe, and PD had the licence to build the UK stuff. It was very popular back in the day, with lots of local councils running the smaller bin wagons, which would then transfer into the larger compacter bodies, some on artics.

The lorries I ran for Smiths all had Lacre PDE equipment, very good equipment, not the cheapest but good and strong with a service workshop near StAlbans.

I dont know if this is the Smith’s you worked for “Kempston” or another one ?

[zb]
anorak:
“Suedehead”

Unusual roof on that Scania
The little-known Castleline.

pete smith:
Morning Dean,
EMR’s roots started in Rochdale with Sheppard brothers, the yard is still there in Uncouth street, they traded as the Sheppard group and tipped scrap on a patch of ground just off Regent road Liverpool (dockside near Pandoro dock) and used old 8 wheel tippers to take it around to Coopers dock which was situated on Seaforth or Alexander dock.
They then gained a presence in the West Midlands by joining forces with George Cohen’s 600 Group at their Kingsbury yard which also traded under the Sheppard Group. Around the mid 1990’s they linked up with Coopers Metals and the EMR named was formed.

As Kempston mentioned they bought out Smiths of Bedford as I remember one of their Foden Alpha’s based at Smethwick for a short while other companies I remember are,
Mayer Parry/Robinsons heavy shred,
Jordans? Newhaven
Dunn Brothers Birmingham
LMP? Salford yard half mile from the end of the M606
Not forgetting all of Cooper’s Metals yards nationwide which gave EMR access to a lot of docks and shredding equipment.
There are dozens more but can’t remember them!

Thanks for the history of EMR’s roots Pete,dont know how you remember it all !

I assume this is one of Cooper’s Metals.

[finbarot]

Hi Dean
another rabbit you have pulled from the hat!
Ive been searching for this stuff for years, never seen that one.Brilliant, thanks.
The S20 on the right is A.Pannell, another prominent London waste operator from the 60s.

[pete_smith]

Hi Dean,
No that is one of Reg Coopers from Wednesbury, he traded as Cooper Roadways, But looking at the colours it could be Coopers from Coven who morphed in to K Transport?
Smith’s of Bedford were always Foden’s and yellow in colour, that is Smith’s from Gloucester, too many bloody Smith’s around Dean!!
Coopers Metals was the same colour as in this pic,

[kmills]

Another scrap yard -ahem, metal recycling facility that you would probably know Pete would be Concorde Metals in West Brom - I used to load out of there, and from their other sites at Charlton, and Trafford Park around about 30 yrs ago, usually with scrap copper.

Concorde were, and are still owned by a Belgian company - Metallo-Chemique from Beerse - between Antwerp & Turnhout.

And, another one you might know - I can’t remember the name, but it was a scrap yard in Aldridge - it was only a street or so away from S.Jones yard, just off the Lichfield road. That again, was copper for export.

Cheers all,

Keith