DEANB:
Dont worry chap there always an F88 about to help those ERF’s out !
Happy Christmas !
Hmmmm might that be a G88 in the photo?
DEANB:
Readymix DAF mixer.9
Hanson DAF mixer.
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Anyone know what DFS stands for ?
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Anyone recognise the Volvo ■■
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Anyone recognise the Volvo ■■
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Dont think we have had a Axle motor on before,anyone know where they are from ■■
Axle certainly had a depot in Dunstable, think they based a couple of lorries somewhere in or around Bedford too.
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Anyone recognise the Volvo tanker seen here on the Dorchester to Yeovil road.
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Canute Scania.
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Pete Harrison Volvo from somewhere in Shropshire ■■
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Anyone recognise the ERF ■■
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Good to see some Longcliffe pics Dean, even though they were our closest ‘opposition’ geographically! Back from the days when the late John ‘Spannerman’ Humphries was in charge of the garage and chose Fodens, they did try a couple of MAN’s and Scammell Routemans at one time but bought no more. John’s lad was a fitter with me at Tilcon.
Pete.
windrush:
Good to see some Longcliffe pics Dean, even though they were our closest ‘opposition’ geographically!Pete.
Ghastly contraptions those Fodens
DEANB:
John Raymond Borderer on test 1972.Click on pages twice to read.
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Clipping from 1980.
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Before the Borderers.
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I suppose I can “declare an interest” in this article from '72 as at that time I had bought three new Borderers previously which all three had the ■■■■■■■ engines as trying to get my hands on either a 6LXB chassis never mind the “Holy Graille” 8LXB were for a youngster of 24 absolutely zero ! So as for ever owning one of these 8LXB Borderers just remained a pipe dream ! Only the most “favoured” Atkinson fleets were allocated the very few 8LXB engine Borderers that came out of Walton -le-Dale. The 8 LXB Chassis were about £1500 dearer than the ■■■■■■■ units but that was irrelevant if you couldn’t get your hands on one ! However, about 4 years later my Dealer Pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr rang me one day and offered me an L reg 8LXB Borderer of identical spec to the JR unit in the article so, of course, I couldn’t resist and I bought the Beast there and then ! This unit was ex Vic Wild’s fleet from Stoke reg no. TVT ■■■ L and really the only thing that let it down was the fact that it didn’t have power steering. It ran in the Mcguffie fleet mainly between W. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ down to Liverpool, Cheshire and N. Wales.
I’m also reminded of one job we put it on for a few trips which was for a Belfast coal merchant which entailed them sending a tipper trailer over to Heysham loaded with coal dust which we tipped at Coalight ? Nottingham ? then we reloaded it at a smokeless fuel plant at Coventry IIRC then we dropped it off at Heysham for shipping back to NI. However, the Paddies were a bit cough! cough! free and easy with the gross weights and sometimes we were grossing at 36/37 and once at 38ton. I had given Paddy a round trip job price so he was taking the ■■■■ and no matter how we bollocked him he reckoned there wasn’t a weighbridge handy so he just guessed it ! Well finally I told him I wasn’t prepared to jeopardise our Operator Licence and I declined to do anymore as the very last one had grossed out at 38 ton !! It didn’t bother the 8 LXB one bit but it was another 5 years or so until 38 ton gvw became law !! Happy Days.
PS I hope all TN Members and their Families had a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas. Cheers Bewick.
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Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s Pete
wideboybob:
pete smith:
Hi Dean,
The Merc was operated by a lad called Lee ? and he was based between Monmouth and Newport, Andrew Cooper will know his surname as I’m damned if I can remember it!lee morgans is his name pete. merc has gone to live in africa now. he has a red scania V8 now.
Thanks Bob,
pete smith:
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Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s Pete
I thought one was called Homefire at cov Pete .
240 Gardner:
“DEANB”
Thanks for your comments Chris.Heres a bit about your Viewlines, although i am sure you will probably have it.
Splendid, thank you Dean
Camion Stew:
Taken back in September - nicely turned out to say the least!!! Top of the range S730Immaculate.
240 Gardner:
“DEANB”Dont worry chap there always an F88 about to help those ERF’s out !
Hmmmm might that be a G88 in the photo?
Hmmmm, Definately a G88 Chris ! Should have paid more attention when i posted that one !
Heres a bit about the mighty G89.
Click on pages twice to read.
Kempston:
“DEANB”Dont think we have had a Axle motor on before,anyone know where they are from ■■
Axle certainly had a depot in Dunstable, think they based a couple of lorries somewhere in or around Bedford too.
Thanks for that Kempston.
windrush:
Good to see some Longcliffe pics Dean, even though they were our closest ‘opposition’ geographically!Pete.
Like the nickname “Spannerman” Pete !
Punchy Dan:
windrush:
Good to see some Longcliffe pics Dean, even though they were our closest ‘opposition’ geographically!Pete.
Ghastly contraptions those Fodens
Bewick:
“DEANB”John Raymond Borderer on test 1972.
I suppose I can “declare an interest” in this article from '72 as at that time I had bought three new Borderers previously which all three had the ■■■■■■■ engines as trying to get my hands on either a 6LXB chassis never mind the “Holy Graille” 8LXB were for a youngster of 24 absolutely zero ! So as for ever owning one of these 8LXB Borderers just remained a pipe dream ! Only the most “favoured” Atkinson fleets were allocated the very few 8LXB engine Borderers that came out of Walton -le-Dale. The 8 LXB Chassis were about £1500 dearer than the ■■■■■■■ units but that was irrelevant if you couldn’t get your hands on one ! However, about 4 years later my Dealer Pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr rang me one day and offered me an L reg 8LXB Borderer of identical spec to the JR unit in the article so, of course, I couldn’t resist and I bought the Beast there and then ! This unit was ex Vic Wild’s fleet from Stoke reg no. TVT ■■■ L and really the only thing that let it down was the fact that it didn’t have power steering. It ran in the Mcguffie fleet mainly between W. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ down to Liverpool, Cheshire and N. Wales.
I’m also reminded of one job we put it on for a few trips which was for a Belfast coal merchant which entailed them sending a tipper trailer over to Heysham loaded with coal dust which we tipped at Coalight ? Nottingham ? then we reloaded it at a smokeless fuel plant at Coventry IIRC then we dropped it off at Heysham for shipping back to NI. However, the Paddies were a bit cough! cough! free and easy with the gross weights and sometimes we were grossing at 36/37 and once at 38ton. I had given Paddy a round trip job price so he was taking the ■■■■ and no matter how we bollocked him he reckoned there wasn’t a weighbridge handy so he just guessed it ! Well finally I told him I wasn’t prepared to jeopardise our Operator Licence and I declined to do anymore as the very last one had grossed out at 38 ton !! It didn’t bother the 8 LXB one bit but it was another 5 years or so until 38 ton gvw became law !!
PS I hope all TN Members and their Families had a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas. Cheers Bewick.
Thanks for your comments Dennis.
Not sure if this is the same M.Woodhouse ?
Heres a road test on the “Holy Graille”
Click on pages twice to read.
pete smith:
Morning Dean,
The Foden may be one of Allan Morris’s from Chester?
Thanks Pete ! Any idea where that pic was taken ■■
Punchy Dan:
pete smith:
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Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s PeteI thought one was called Homefire at cov Pete .
It was Dan, we did some surfacing work there and also at Daw Mill. Homefire wasn’t a very healthy place, supposedly ‘smokeless’ but that was just a word used to convince the public! We used to deliver tarmac to a contracting firms yard near there and you could taste the blooming dust.
Pete.
windrush:
Punchy Dan:
pete smith:
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Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s PeteI thought one was called Homefire at cov Pete .
It was Dan, we did some surfacing work there and also at Daw Mill. Homefire wasn’t a very healthy place, supposedly ‘smokeless’ but that was just a word used to convince the public!
Pete.
Homefire, when you loaded a vertical conveyor came down to prevent the briquettes from breaking. They were 6sided and burnt down to fine ash, used to take a load every fortnight to Stratford, the man always bunced me a fiver, not bad when you were on£20 a day
Anyone recognise the Scania ,says ■■? Plant & Demolition on door.
Anyone know where Paul Cooke Transport are from ■■?
Gregory DAF.
Not sure if we have had a G.M.Mercer motor on before.Anyone know where they are based ■■
Dont remember having a Clwyd Transport motor on before.
Owens Volvo.
Redferns tidy Foden.
Baynes & Son Scania.
Anyone know where D.P.S. Transport are from ■■
Pentons have a great livery in my opinion.
DEANB:
Fantastic post Paul.
of the yard is a cracker.We have had a few of Peter’s motors on here. He certainly liked his Borderers.
Actually, I think this one that Paul photographed was one of Burton’s own fleet. They ran some Atkinsons and also some 400 Series later:
Burtons Biscuits by Ron Waghorne, on Flickr
Burtons Biscuits Atkinson by Ron Waghorne, on Flickr
Anyway, fantastic selection of John Marsh/BVT stuff from both Paul and Dean, thank you! As BVT were relatively local to me, I remember them very well indeed.
windrush:
Punchy Dan:
pete smith:
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Morning Dennis,
I hope Anne and yourself have had a nice Christmas?
You probably tipped the load at the Coalite plant at Bolsolver and the re-load would have been next door to Keresley Colliery at Coventry, I think it was the Maxibright plant? Cheer’s PeteI thought one was called Homefire at cov Pete .
It was Dan, we did some surfacing work there and also at Daw Mill. Homefire wasn’t a very healthy place, supposedly ‘smokeless’ but that was just a word used to convince the public!
Pete.
Coventry Homefire plant was a regular saturday drop for us with coal spray oil - NCB term for diesel.Not a nice place but better than Coalite.
Bewick:
I suppose I can “declare an interest” in this article from '72 as at that time I had bought three new Borderers previously which all three had the ■■■■■■■ engines as trying to get my hands on either a 6LXB chassis never mind the “Holy Graille” 8LXB were for a youngster of 24 absolutely zero ! So as for ever owning one of these 8LXB Borderers just remained a pipe dream ! Only the most “favoured” Atkinson fleets were allocated the very few 8LXB engine Borderers that came out of Walton -le-Dale. The 8 LXB Chassis were about £1500 dearer than the ■■■■■■■ units but that was irrelevant if you couldn’t get your hands on one ! However, about 4 years later my Dealer Pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr rang me one day and offered me an L reg 8LXB Borderer of identical spec to the JR unit in the article so, of course, I couldn’t resist and I bought the Beast there and then ! This unit was ex Vic Wild’s fleet from Stoke reg no. TVT ■■■ L and really the only thing that let it down was the fact that it didn’t have power steering. It ran in the Mcguffie fleet mainly between W. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ down to Liverpool, Cheshire and N. Wales.
I’m also reminded of one job we put it on for a few trips which was for a Belfast coal merchant which entailed them sending a tipper trailer over to Heysham loaded with coal dust which we tipped at Coalight ? Nottingham ? then we reloaded it at a smokeless fuel plant at Coventry IIRC then we dropped it off at Heysham for shipping back to NI. However, the Paddies were a bit cough! cough! free and easy with the gross weights and sometimes we were grossing at 36/37 and once at 38ton. I had given Paddy a round trip job price so he was taking the ■■■■ and no matter how we bollocked him he reckoned there wasn’t a weighbridge handy so he just guessed it ! Well finally I told him I wasn’t prepared to jeopardise our Operator Licence and I declined to do anymore as the very last one had grossed out at 38 ton !! It didn’t bother the 8 LXB one bit but it was another 5 years or so until 38 ton gvw became law !!
PS I hope all TN Members and their Families had a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas. Cheers Bewick.
I didn’t know that you’d had an 8-pot Borderer, Dennis! Tell you what, there can’t have been many 24-year-old hauliers who had already bought three new Atkis either!
I know what you mean about handling the weight, though: I was once stitched up with a job where the trailer was loaded and hooked up the night before, the unit being a 400 Series with an 8LXB, bought secondhand for shunting, and a tandem axle curtain-sider. As it looked a bit down on the drive axle I had a look in the back and, although the load was all between the bogie and the headboard, it didn’t look like much of a load, so I set off. It felt heavy even as it creaked and groaned out of the gate, but we were away - you know how it is
Heading out of Blackburn and climbing out towards Feniscowles, and then again from Pleasington up to Hoghton, we were rolling well and I never had to drop into low range on the hills, and we were soon at Bamber Bridge. Not a trace of exhaust smoke when I got there, I can tell you, but the tyres were distinctly warm! I worked it all out afterwards - 33 tonnes of metal pressings on Euro-pallets, with a gross weight of 48.5 tonnes! Oh, and the unit was down plated to 28 tonnes…
I had a 400 Series Sed Atki with 240 at MFS VWA 427S,nobody else really wanted to drive it,sooner have a Scania 81 with synchro box instead of the arse aboot face Fuller.I put my name down for it and had it for around 6 months on nights regular. It would blow all our Scania 81s and 82s into the weeds when on trunk.
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C.A.Stevens Volvo F7. Remember seeing there motors about and they use to do bulk grain work as well as flats.
Were they based Salisbury way ■■
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Hi Dean
CA STEVENS are from Grateley near Andover
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Dont think we have had a Axle motor on before,anyone know where they are from ■■
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AXLE are from Dunstable, they also have some other depots scattered about
240 Gardner:
Bewick:
I suppose I can “declare an interest” in this article from '72 as at that time I had bought three new Borderers previously which all three had the ■■■■■■■ engines as trying to get my hands on either a 6LXB chassis never mind the “Holy Graille” 8LXB were for a youngster of 24 absolutely zero ! So as for ever owning one of these 8LXB Borderers just remained a pipe dream ! Only the most “favoured” Atkinson fleets were allocated the very few 8LXB engine Borderers that came out of Walton -le-Dale. The 8 LXB Chassis were about £1500 dearer than the ■■■■■■■ units but that was irrelevant if you couldn’t get your hands on one ! However, about 4 years later my Dealer Pal the late Malc Woodhouse Snr rang me one day and offered me an L reg 8LXB Borderer of identical spec to the JR unit in the article so, of course, I couldn’t resist and I bought the Beast there and then ! This unit was ex Vic Wild’s fleet from Stoke reg no. TVT ■■■ L and really the only thing that let it down was the fact that it didn’t have power steering. It ran in the Mcguffie fleet mainly between W. ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ down to Liverpool, Cheshire and N. Wales.
I’m also reminded of one job we put it on for a few trips which was for a Belfast coal merchant which entailed them sending a tipper trailer over to Heysham loaded with coal dust which we tipped at Coalight ? Nottingham ? then we reloaded it at a smokeless fuel plant at Coventry IIRC then we dropped it off at Heysham for shipping back to NI. However, the Paddies were a bit cough! cough! free and easy with the gross weights and sometimes we were grossing at 36/37 and once at 38ton. I had given Paddy a round trip job price so he was taking the ■■■■ and no matter how we bollocked him he reckoned there wasn’t a weighbridge handy so he just guessed it ! Well finally I told him I wasn’t prepared to jeopardise our Operator Licence and I declined to do anymore as the very last one had grossed out at 38 ton !! It didn’t bother the 8 LXB one bit but it was another 5 years or so until 38 ton gvw became law !!
PS I hope all TN Members and their Families had a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas. Cheers Bewick.I didn’t know that you’d had an 8-pot Borderer, Dennis! Tell you what, there can’t have been many 24-year-old hauliers who had already bought three new Atkis either!
I know what you mean about handling the weight, though: I was once stitched up with a job where the trailer was loaded and hooked up the night before, the unit being a 400 Series with an 8LXB, bought secondhand for shunting, and a tandem axle curtain-sider. As it looked a bit down on the drive axle I had a look in the back and, although the load was all between the bogie and the headboard, it didn’t look like much of a load, so I set off. It felt heavy even as it creaked and groaned out of the gate, but we were away - you know how it is
Heading out of Blackburn and climbing out towards Feniscowles, and then again from Pleasington up to Hoghton, we were rolling well and I never had to drop into low range on the hills, and we were soon at Bamber Bridge. Not a trace of exhaust smoke when I got there, I can tell you, but the tyres were distinctly warm! I worked it all out afterwards - 33 tonnes of metal pressings on Euro-pallets, with a gross weight of 48.5 tonnes! Oh, and the unit was down plated to 28 tonnes…
Hiya Chris,
I trust you have had a peaceful Christmas and I wish you All the Best for what will hopefully be a better 2021 ! I suppose the engagement diary will have looked a bit quiet this year although have you had any Covid secure gigs during December ?
here is a not very good shot of the 8LXB Borderer but it is a side shot !! and a shot of the three first new Borderers taken one Sunday morning in '72 at the Mill by the late Bill Inman who was the Technical Director at the Mill.Regards Dennis.
