PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

Ray Smyth:
“DEANB”

Dont remember having a Bridgewater motor on before,anyone know anything about them ■■?

Hi Dean, I am fairly certain that Bridgewater were from Manchester. With regard to your Atkinson pictures
and comments earlier, and for the benefit of keen Atkinson followers, there are many pictures of Atkinsons
on the Robert Baillie thread. Have you any more thoughts about a " Roll On - Roll Off " thread on here ?,

Kind regards, Ray.

Thanks for the comments Ray about Bridgewater Transport. I am sure i have an article about them somewhere.
Cracking pic of the two Atki’s.

“Roll 0n - Roll off thread” Not sure if there will be much intrest Ray ?

If you want to start one i will contribute chap.

pete smith:
Morning Dean,
I think this is one of Alan Nuttalls who manufactured and supplied shop fittings to supermarkets etc. They were based in Dudley in the old Bean car factory, I think they have ceased trading now?

Thanks for the info Pete.

bubbleman:
Hi Dean,the pic of LJA 597P which Mark took is interesting as it came into the possession of the late Pat Duffey (Aniacs) later in its life and Jimski who regularly posts drove it,Cheers Bubbs,

Thanks for the pics Bubbs, well spotted chap.

coomsey:
" Messing about" Dean,strangely that just about sums up my earthmoving career
Never roaded a dumper but did with a scraper, there was 6 of us about 5 ml up through Ashby. Was told they were road legal n could be driven by 18yr olds !? Definitely turned some heads that day. Cheers Coomsey

Cracking pic “coomsey” No one is arguing wih you when your driving one of those scrapers chap.

Retired Old ■■■■:
“Ray Smyth”

Hi Dean, I am fairly certain that Bridgewater were from Manchester. With regard to your Atkinson pictures
and comments earlier, and for the benefit of keen Atkinson followers, there are many pictures of Atkinsons
on the Robert Baillie thread. Have you any more thoughts about a " Roll On - Roll Off " thread on here ?,

Kind regards, Ray.
Spot on, Ray. They hauled out of Manchester docks. I first remember them operating a fleet of Atkinsons in a Light Brunswick Green colour with gold signwriting. Very smart fleet.

Thanks “ROF” for confirming that Bridgewater were from Manchester.

[zb]
anorak:
“DEANB” Atkinson Silver Knight pulling a Dyson trailer road test from 1966…

The Atki cab was considered old hat in 1966. I guess the Leyland Ergo was quite well-established by then.

No Gardner LXB until '68, so 30 ton operators were stuck with ■■■■■■■■ From what the article says, it seems like a proper smoker. I wonder if the supplier of the vehicle had been messing with the pump, to give it more impressive performance on the test?

Thanks for your input “anorak”. I thought the motorway MPG of 8.9 was impressive.

kmills:
The attachment to the corner of the bumper wouldn’t be one of the old Danish ‘Pahaeng’ signs would it?, used to see them fitted down there sometimes.
Cheers Keith

Never did Scandinavia Keith so i have no idea,but i see Robert has commented and i reckon you are spot on chap.

MANTRONIC:
“DEANB”
Kevin Cahill MAN.

Smarts Volvo. Hey Dean ,always good to see Smarts when they were based on Southampton docks ,Kevin Cahill big tipper fleet , MT

Thanks for the input MT.

gingerfold:
"DEANB"We have had some early Atkinsons on here.

That could be one of Stanley Smith’s…aka Bolton Transport and Trading Co.

gingerfold:
“DEANB”

British Sugar Mandator.

One of the 17 AEC Mandators bought by Turners (Soham) Ltd in 1974 and 1975 when they won a contract with British Sugar for bulk deliveries. This was the start of Bulk Powders work for Turners and eventually Turners had all of British Sugar’s bulk work, a contact lasting until 2010 when Suttons took it on, but gave up on after a few years with Abbey taking over, but in the last couple of years British Sugar has had to give work back to Turners. From those small beginnings with 17 Mandators on bulk powders work Turners now has a fleet of over 600 tankers covering liquids and powders, food grade and non-food.

Thanks for the comments Graham. Out of intrest how many depots do Turners operate to run 600 motors ■■

gingerfold:
This is a fomer Bridgewater AEC Mandator. I’ll set DEAN a challenge. This Mandator was shown in an AEC Gazette when it was newly in service with Bridgewater, photographed on Manchester Docks (or Salford Docks depending on which side of the Ship Canal you lived) alongside a cargo ship. I’m sure you’ll find it DEAN!

I have not got that one Graham !

ERF-NGC-European:
“kmills”

The attachment to the corner of the bumper wouldn’t be one of the old Danish ‘Pahaeng’ signs would it?, used to see them fitted down there sometimes.

Cheers Keith

Reckon you’re right there Keith! I think it means ‘hazard’ and was used as an early version of the Long Vehicle indicator. R

Good stuff Robert,looks definately like you and Keith are right !

240 Gardner:
“[zb] anorak”“DEANB” Atkinson Silver Knight pulling a Dyson trailer road test from 1966…
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The Atki cab was considered old hat in 1966. I guess the Leyland Ergo was quite well-established by then.

No Gardner LXB until '68, so 30 ton operators were stuck with ■■■■■■■■ From what the article says, it seems like a proper smoker. I wonder if the supplier of the vehicle had been messing with the pump, to give it more impressive performance on the test?

Ah, not so: the 6LXB was shown in an Atkinson at Earls Court in October 1966, and Atkinson was building them by January 1967. Riding had the first, and Bowker the fourth: the Bowker example is alive and well today, with a build date of January 1967 proudly stamped on its chassis plate.

Operators could also have the RR Eagle instead of the ■■■■■■■■

Thanks for the comments Chris,good stuff.

moomooland:
zb anorak" No Gardner LXB until '68, so 30 ton operators were stuck with ■■■■■■■■
240 Gardner Ah, not so: the 6LXB was shown in an Atkinson at Earls Court in October 1966, and Atkinson was building them by January 1967. Riding had the first, and Bowker the fourth: the Bowker example is alive and well today, with a build date of January 1967 proudly stamped on its chassis plate.
Operators could also have the RR Eagle instead of the ■■■■■■■

And here it is Chris.
Just shows how true facts get distorted which was always one of Tom Riding’s main bugbears.

0Atkinson Mk I Silver Knight 4x2 tractor unit Reg No BTE 180E Fleet No 54 was fitted with the first Gardner 6LXB 180 engine to come off the Atkinson production line at Walton-le-Dale in January 1967.

Costing £3,420 and baring chassis No FC 14192 it was first registered for road use on the 15th of February 1967.

This particular vehicle was also fitted with, what was at the time, the new wide Kirkstall S cam brakes on the front and rear and was also the first Atkinson Mk I to have the lock actuator brakes.

Great photo and info Paul,thanks for posting chap.

[gingerfold]

DEANB:

gingerfold:
“DEANB”

British Sugar Mandator.

One of the 17 AEC Mandators bought by Turners (Soham) Ltd in 1974 and 1975 when they won a contract with British Sugar for bulk deliveries. This was the start of Bulk Powders work for Turners and eventually Turners had all of British Sugar’s bulk work, a contact lasting until 2010 when Suttons took it on, but gave up on after a few years with Abbey taking over, but in the last couple of years British Sugar has had to give work back to Turners. From those small beginnings with 17 Mandators on bulk powders work Turners now has a fleet of over 600 tankers covering liquids and powders, food grade and non-food.

Thanks for the comments Graham. Out of intrest how many depots do Turners operate to run 600 motors ■■

Including the Turners’ Group owned companies that still trade under their original name such as Goldstar and Jack Richards the total fleet is some 2,300 units and 4,000 trailers. There are about 35 operating centres, some of which only have a few units and trailers based there, and 12 large depots which have workshops facilities etc. Its a fairly even 3 way split between refrigerated, tankers, and containers with Jack Richards having 300 units on general haulage. Turners is still an independent, family owned, business. Founded in 1931.

[deanb]

gingerfold:

DEANB:

gingerfold:
“DEANB”

British Sugar Mandator.

One of the 17 AEC Mandators bought by Turners (Soham) Ltd in 1974 and 1975 when they won a contract with British Sugar for bulk deliveries. This was the start of Bulk Powders work for Turners and eventually Turners had all of British Sugar’s bulk work, a contact lasting until 2010 when Suttons took it on, but gave up on after a few years with Abbey taking over, but in the last couple of years British Sugar has had to give work back to Turners. From those small beginnings with 17 Mandators on bulk powders work Turners now has a fleet of over 600 tankers covering liquids and powders, food grade and non-food.

Thanks for the comments Graham. Out of intrest how many depots do Turners operate to run 600 motors ■■

Including the Turners’ Group owned companies that still trade under their original name such as Goldstar and Jack Richards the total fleet is some 2,300 units and 4,000 trailers. There are about 35 operating centres, some of which only have a few units and trailers based there, and 12 large depots which have workshops facilities etc. Its a fairly even 3 way split between refrigerated, tankers, and containers with Jack Richards having 300 units on general haulage. Turners is still an independent, family owned, business. Founded in 1931.

Thanks for the info Graham,never realised they were that large. Who has the largest fleet in the UK Graham ?

[deanb]

Some from 2006.

New Milton Sand & Ballast DAF.

Looks like a Evans Renault from Devon.

Eggbeers Transport Volvo.

Glendinning Foden.

Peter Green Scania.

Croome Volvo.

Cawsey Scammell wrecker. Looks like the Tamar bridge at Plymouth to me.

Hutchinson Volvo.

John Dixon Volvo. Cant remember having one on before,anyone know anything about them ■■

Elliott Blackmore ERF.

[deanb]

Cornwall Farmers Seddon Atkinson.

Mitchell & Webber Foden. I dont ever remember seeing one of this company ? Anyone know about them ?

Weston & Edwards Mercedes removal pantecnicon.

D.T.Baugh Foden. Not had one of these on before.

George’s Volvo live stock truck. Think they are from somewhere in Somerset ■■

Westfield Scania. Think they are from Penzance.

Classic pic. Paul is always saying to me the amount of pics that are ruined because of window wipers.

Pollock Scania.

A.R.Gane & Sons Leyland Constructor. Not had one of these on before,anyone know anything abou them ■■

Anyone recognise the Scania live stock truck ■■

[smallcoal]

Hi dean ,Westfield from Truro,the green Renault is Evans transport ,the wrecker is on the Taymar bridge I go over it regularly

[tvdriver]

The blue Scania livestock wagon is one of pugh’s from shropshire way

[kenfig_bill]

DEANB:
We have had some early Atkinsons on here.

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Hello Dean , …the old man would like to say thanks for the Trevor Phillips Atkinsons …and also i did like those "old skool " Scammell Crusaders of BSC Orb Newport …many thanks again from us both …lol …Geraint

[gingerfold]

DEANB:

gingerfold:

DEANB:

gingerfold:
“DEANB”

British Sugar Mandator.

One of the 17 AEC Mandators bought by Turners (Soham) Ltd in 1974 and 1975 when they won a contract with British Sugar for bulk deliveries. This was the start of Bulk Powders work for Turners and eventually Turners had all of British Sugar’s bulk work, a contact lasting until 2010 when Suttons took it on, but gave up on after a few years with Abbey taking over, but in the last couple of years British Sugar has had to give work back to Turners. From those small beginnings with 17 Mandators on bulk powders work Turners now has a fleet of over 600 tankers covering liquids and powders, food grade and non-food.

Thanks for the comments Graham. Out of intrest how many depots do Turners operate to run 600 motors ■■

Including the Turners’ Group owned companies that still trade under their original name such as Goldstar and Jack Richards the total fleet is some 2,300 units and 4,000 trailers. There are about 35 operating centres, some of which only have a few units and trailers based there, and 12 large depots which have workshops facilities etc. Its a fairly even 3 way split between refrigerated, tankers, and containers with Jack Richards having 300 units on general haulage. Turners is still an independent, family owned, business. Founded in 1931.

Thanks for the info Graham,never realised they were that large. Who has the largest fleet in the UK Graham ?

Probably Wincanton or XPO.

[vwvanman0]

Re, the Gane constructor, think it was from around the Glastonbury area, looks like it worked up til 2011 on dvla website. Got a photo of it but i don’t seem to be able to upload pics anymore.

Great photos as ever.

Steve

[moomooland]

[zb]
anorak:
No Gardner LXB until '68, so 30 ton operators were stuck with ■■■■■■■■

240 Gardner:
Ah, not so: the 6LXB was shown in an Atkinson at Earls Court in October 1966, and Atkinson was building them by January 1967. Riding had the first, and Bowker the fourth: the Bowker example is alive and well today, with a build date of January 1967 proudly stamped on its chassis plate.
Operators could also have the RR Eagle instead of the ■■■■■■■

And here it is Chris, in case you missed it at the bottom of the previous page.
Just shows how true facts get distorted which was always one of Tom Riding’s main bugbears.

Atkinson Mk I Silver Knight 4x2 tractor unit Reg No BTE 180E Fleet No 54 was fitted with the first Gardner 6LXB 180 engine to come off the Atkinson production line at Walton-le-Dale in January 1967.

Costing £3,420 and baring chassis No FC 14192 it was first registered for road use on the 15th of February 1967.

This particular vehicle was also fitted with, what was at the time, the new wide Kirkstall S cam brakes on the front and rear and was also the first Atkinson Mk I to have the lock actuator brakes.

[moomooland]

Gloucestershire haulier Eric Vick Transport is to close in April after almost 70 years of business.

The family-owned firm blamed a sluggish economy, new legislation and a weak UK manufacturing industry for the decision.
It is understood that it would prefer to close the business rather than risk selling off assets to pay debts.
Eric Vick Transport was started in 1950 by Eric Vick who began with livestock transportation before undertaking general UK haulage.
Commenting on the closure, Eric’s son Rob Vick said: “It is with great sadness that the Vick family announce that, after almost 70 years of business, Eric Vick Transport will cease trading at the end of April.

[buzzer]

Before I start Dean I apologise for hijacking yours and Pauls thread but I have some pictures from a foreign compatriot in Egbert Venema and judging by the pictures he is Dutch but I maybe wrong so here goes as I think they take you back in another country, cheers Buzzer

[tastrucker]

DEANB:
Some from 2006.

New Milton Sand & Ballast DAF.

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Looks like a Evans Renault from Devon.

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Eggbeers Transport Volvo.

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Glendinning Foden.

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Peter Green Scania.

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Croome Volvo.

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Cawsey Scammell wrecker. Looks like the Tamar bridge at Plymouth to me.

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Hutchinson Volvo.

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John Dixon Volvo. Cant remember having one on before,anyone know anything about them ■■

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Elliott Blackmore ERF.

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Hello DEAN ,Elliot Blackmore were from Bicton nr Shrewsbury ,did a lot of waste etc ,M J Refrigeration are based at Nesscliffe at the old Vaggs garage on the old A5 about 10 miles from Shrewsbury towards Oswestry ,a big fleet of DAFs and Scanias ,i see them loading out of Pentens ,and ABP nr Ellesmere ,thank you Trevor

[deanb]

smallcoal:
Hi dean ,Westfield from Truro,the green Renault is Evans transport ,the wrecker is on the Taymar bridge I go over it regularly

Thanks John for confirming the Bridge and its Truro. Knew they were from that way.

tvdriver:
The blue Scania livestock wagon is one of pugh’s from shropshire way

Thanks for the name “tvdriver” I thought we had one of theres on before but cant find a pic.

kenfig bill:
“DEANB” We have had some early Atkinsons on here.

Hello Dean , …the old man would like to say thanks for the Trevor Phillips Atkinsons …and also i did like those "old skool " Scammell Crusaders of BSC Orb Newport …many thanks again from us both …lol …Geraint

Thanks for your comment Geraint. Heres an old Welsh Atkinson dealer advert your dad will no doubt remember !

gingerfold:
Thanks for the info Graham,never realised they were that large. Who has the largest fleet in the UK Graham ?

Probably Wincanton or XPO.

Thanks for the reply Graham. Paul Gee keeps very much up to date with take overs and companies closing down. He keeps
telling me that Wincanon and Gregory’s are slowly buying up alot of smaller operators. Its a shame to see alot of the old
traditional companies going like Richard Read,Framptons and now Eric Vick.

vwvanman0:
Re, the Gane constructor, think it was from around the Glastonbury area, looks like it worked up til 2011 on dvla website. Got a photo of it but i don’t seem to be able to upload pics anymore.

Great photos as ever.

Steve

Thanks for the info Steve. Dont mention loading stuff onto the site it can be a right pain. You have to reduce the size of
it chap then it should load.

moomooland:

[zb]
anorak:
No Gardner LXB until '68, so 30 ton operators were stuck with ■■■■■■■■

240 Gardner:
Ah, not so: the 6LXB was shown in an Atkinson at Earls Court in October 1966, and Atkinson was building them by January 1967. Riding had the first, and Bowker the fourth: the Bowker example is alive and well today, with a build date of January 1967 proudly stamped on its chassis plate.
Operators could also have the RR Eagle instead of the ■■■■■■■

And here it is Chris, in case you missed it at the bottom of the previous page.
Just shows how true facts get distorted which was always one of Tom Riding’s main bugbears.

Atkinson Mk I Silver Knight 4x2 tractor unit Reg No BTE 180E Fleet No 54 was fitted with the first Gardner 6LXB 180 engine to come off the Atkinson production line at Walton-le-Dale in January 1967.

Costing £3,420 and baring chassis No FC 14192 it was first registered for road use on the 15th of February 1967.

This particular vehicle was also fitted with, what was at the time, the new wide Kirkstall S cam brakes on the front and rear and was also the first Atkinson Mk I to have the lock actuator brakes.

Paul how much did he sell it for ? I always find it intresting how much money he normally got after he had finished with a motor !

moomooland:
Gloucestershire haulier Eric Vick Transport is to close in April after almost 70 years of business.

The family-owned firm blamed a sluggish economy, new legislation and a weak UK manufacturing industry for the decision.
It is understood that it would prefer to close the business rather than risk selling off assets to pay debts.
Eric Vick Transport was started in 1950 by Eric Vick who began with livestock transportation before undertaking general UK haulage.
Commenting on the closure, Eric’s son Rob Vick said: “It is with great sadness that the Vick family announce that, after almost 70 years of business, Eric Vick Transport will cease trading at the end of April.

Very sad indeed Paul another iconic haulier gone !

Buzzer:
Before I start Dean I apologise for hijacking yours and Pauls thread but I have some pictures from a foreign compatriot in Egbert Venema and judging by the pictures he is Dutch but I maybe wrong so here goes as I think they take you back in another country, cheers Buzzer

Your ok today “Buzzer” no church !

Cracking selecion of pic’s there. That flat top Frigoscandia F12 is a beauty and i imagine its Swedish ■■ I bet its a dam site easier to
reverse with the double axle dolly rather than the single axle dolly on the Lommers F12 ! Great pics thanks for posting.

Heres an article featuring a similar set up.

Click on pages twice to read.

tastrucker:
“DEANB” Some from 2006.

Elliott Blackmore ERF.

Hello DEAN ,Elliot Blackmore were from Bicton nr Shrewsbury ,did a lot of waste etc ,M J Refrigeration are based at Nesscliffe at the old Vaggs garage on the old A5 about 10 miles from Shrewsbury towards Oswestry ,a big fleet of DAFs and Scanias ,i see them loading out of Pentens ,and ABP nr Ellesmere ,thank you Trevor

Thanks for the input on Blackmore’s Trevor and on MJ Refrigeration. Those waste trailers are a fair old height.

[deanb]

Pics from 2006.

Anyone recognise the DAF wrecker ■■ Cant understand why there is no name on it ,free advertising ■■

Anyone recognise the ERF tipper ■■

Mc Burney DAF.

Aggregates & Minerals Ltd MAN tipper.Anyone know where they are from ■■

Gorman Metals ERF.

Another company i miss seeing on the road Gillards. They used to transport alot of concrete beams.

Dutch Volvo of H.J.Van Bentum. I havent seen one of his motor’s for years ? Dont know if he has packed up or stopped coming to
the UK ■■ He used to build his own tanker trailers,and they were very light so he could load maximum payload.

Innovate Logistics Volvo. I remember this company starting and then they disappeared fairly quickly as i remember. Anyone know
what happened ■■

Who does the Scania belong to Trevor ■■

Owens ERF bulker.

[gingerfold]

DEANB:
Pics from 2006.

Innovate Logistics Volvo. I remember this company starting and then they disappeared fairly quickly as i remember. Anyone know
what happened ■■

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Went bust big style. Had no knowledge or experience of frozen and chilled distribution. Stobart bought some of Innovate out of administration thinking that it would be a way into that sector for them and guess what… they couldn’t make it pay either. The fridge trailers you see behind Stobart units are doing Tesco work, Stobart has no presence in the open chilled and frozen distribution sector

[deanb]

gingerfold:

DEANB:
Pics from 2006.

Innovate Logistics Volvo. I remember this company starting and then they disappeared fairly quickly as i remember. Anyone know
what happened ■■

Went bust big style. Had no knowledge or experience of frozen and chilled distribution. Stobart bought some of Innovate out of administration thinking that it would be a way into that sector for them and guess what… they couldn’t make it pay either. The fridge trailers you see behind Stobart units are doing Tesco work, Stobart has no presence in the open chilled and frozen distribution sector

Thanks for the information on Innovate, Paul just senme this pic which sums what you have said up !

[deanb]

Looks like Gillards may still be going Paul just sent me these 2 pics. Can anyone confirm ■■

Heres a few i posted earlier in the thread.

Click on pages twice to read.

[gingerfold]

moomooland:

[zb]
anorak:
No Gardner LXB until '68, so 30 ton operators were stuck with ■■■■■■■■

240 Gardner:
Ah, not so: the 6LXB was shown in an Atkinson at Earls Court in October 1966, and Atkinson was building them by January 1967. Riding had the first, and Bowker the fourth: the Bowker example is alive and well today, with a build date of January 1967 proudly stamped on its chassis plate.
Operators could also have the RR Eagle instead of the ■■■■■■■

And here it is Chris, in case you missed it at the bottom of the previous page.
Just shows how true facts get distorted which was always one of Tom Riding’s main bugbears.

0Atkinson Mk I Silver Knight 4x2 tractor unit Reg No BTE 180E Fleet No 54 was fitted with the first Gardner 6LXB 180 engine to come off the Atkinson production line at Walton-le-Dale in January 1967.

Costing £3,420 and baring chassis No FC 14192 it was first registered for road use on the 15th of February 1967.

This particular vehicle was also fitted with, what was at the time, the new wide Kirkstall S cam brakes on the front and rear and was also the first Atkinson Mk I to have the lock actuator brakes.

The first Gardner 6LXB 180 was engine number 153276 and it was tested in the Patricroft experimental department on 18th July 1966.