PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

deanb · 27 October 2017 16:12

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Leyland. Roadtrain ? I assume its a roadtrain but the cab look a bit low to me. Trying to remember i
think they made one a bit smaller,was it a freighter ■■?

The original low-datum day cab Roadtrain.
The lighter tractor was a Cruiser, with the narrower cab, a plain front panel and single headlights

Thanks for confirming that i thought it looked a bit low !

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Richard Procter ERF. Is it me or does that load of wood look a bit iffy ■■

If I remember correctly, Richard Procter was a Liverpool haulier, and worked out of Pilkington Glass in St Helens

Cheers Chris !

Mark R:
Love the SWTransport Atkinson photo…looks like he’s got the family with him too.

Family day out Mark !!

bob-lad:
bowies erf steve mulvaney driving kma 639l this was the first motor to be converted into a b series thanks again dean and paul

Thanks for the comment Bob !

JAKEY:
Rover transport Roadtrain and Cruiser together .

Thanks for all the pics Jakey, i knew someting did not quite look right with that roadtrain being so low. Its
amazing what you can and cant remember !

stevecook:
Taylors Draycott Crusader, looks like a couple of BRS ERF’s on trailer.

I’m pretty sure the Taylor’s Crusader is Ex Shaws Fuels (Sykes Group) it would have 220 Rolls engine.

Thanks for your input Steve !

gazsa401:

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
One for “gazsa401” Stirlands

Seddon Atkinson.

I’m in Cyprus at the moment and have tried to follow the link but unfortunately the tinternet isn’t the best out here
I wonder if someone could post the picture cheers Gary

Chris,I reckon we are spoiling Gary !

Its a bit blurred !

gazsa401 · 27 October 2017 16:34

DEANB:

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Leyland. Roadtrain ? I assume its a roadtrain but the cab look a bit low to me. Trying to remember i
think they made one a bit smaller,was it a freighter ■■?

The original low-datum day cab Roadtrain.
The lighter tractor was a Cruiser, with the narrower cab, a plain front panel and single headlights

Thanks for confirming that i thought it looked a bit low !

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Richard Procter ERF. Is it me or does that load of wood look a bit iffy ■■

If I remember correctly, Richard Procter was a Liverpool haulier, and worked out of Pilkington Glass in St Helens

Cheers Chris !

Mark R:
Love the SWTransport Atkinson photo…looks like he’s got the family with him too.

Family day out Mark !!

bob-lad:
bowies erf steve mulvaney driving kma 639l this was the first motor to be converted into a b series thanks again dean and paul

Thanks for the comment Bob !

JAKEY:
Rover transport Roadtrain and Cruiser together .

Thanks for all the pics Jakey, i knew someting did not quite look right with that roadtrain being so low. Its
amazing what you can and cant remember !

stevecook:
Taylors Draycott Crusader, looks like a couple of BRS ERF’s on trailer.

I’m pretty sure the Taylor’s Crusader is Ex Shaws Fuels (Sykes Group) it would have 220 Rolls engine.

Thanks for your input Steve !

gazsa401:

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
One for “gazsa401” Stirlands

Seddon Atkinson.

I’m in Cyprus at the moment and have tried to follow the link but unfortunately the tinternet isn’t the best out here
I wonder if someone could post the picture cheers Gary

Chris,I reckon we are spoiling Gary !

Its a bit blurred !

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Thanks for the picture I don’t mind a bit of spoiling [emoji1303]
“PCH” was driven mostly by the late Albert “odd legs” Simms on Aldershot trunk

deanb · 27 October 2017 16:47

Sainsbury’s Guy bulker.

Tidy Atkinson of Trent Wharfage.

Asda superstores Seddon Atkinson.

Ernden Transport Marathon.

Avalon furniture Commer.

deanb · 27 October 2017 16:57

Scania tanker. Any ideas Chris ■■

Davidson & Adamson White bulker.

ARS Atkinson

South Western Metal Merchants Scania draw-bar.

Evans Transport Volvo F12

bewick · 27 October 2017 17:00

DEANB:
T.E.Jones F88

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Richard Procter ERF. Is it me or does that load of wood look a bit iffy ■■

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Boyd Transport Seddon Atkinson from Ireland.

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S.W.Transport Seddon,not too impressed with that load of wood either.

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Burton’s Seddon Atkinson.

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That Boyd Transport is a typical Paddy motor of the 70’s, ISO Box with a full undercarriage fitted ! cast Iron ! nowt fell out of them babies ! Cheers Bewick.

chris_webb · 27 October 2017 18:01

DEANB:
Scania tanker. Any ideas Chris ■■

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No,that’s a new one on me,the red and blue type livery on that TIR tank is familiar but I can’t place it,unless it was Norco? I can’t make the reg plate out either.
There were one or two tanker men ran green sleeper Scanias out of Albright and Wilsons at Whitehaven int 70s.Somebody else might know…

ramone · 27 October 2017 18:10

240 Gardner:

ramone:
I`m going to show my ignorance here , but what was the Viewliner all about ? Was it a new version of the Atki cab that never caught on or was it an alternative to say the Borderer cab ?

I don’t have reference material to hand right now, but the Autumn 1966 edition of the Atkinson house magazine, ‘Rangeability’, explained the thinking behind the ‘View-Line’:

a) improved maintenance access without resorting to a tilt cab (“one of the troublesome fads which plague the industry from time to time”)
b) improved driver comfort and visibility
c) freedom of front axle location to meet axle spacing requirements in export markets (it was even suggested that it might go to Australia!!!)

On a) yes it was better in some respects, and you could fold out the rear cab wings on the prototype and sit on the axle whilst working on the engine, most of which was beneath the cab rather than inside it

b) MUCH more spacious inside than a Mk.1 (it pre-dated the Mk.2 cab by a couple of years), not to mention the steering wheel and pedals being in line (don’t laugh please), and with power steering and air handbrake as standard (1966 remember), and there was even cab suspension and a driver’s suspension seat. Much quieter inside, too, than a Mk.1, and the visibility was, obviously, fantastic. If you couldn’t manoeuvre one of those, then it was time to pack up.

C) no comment!! Although, the Kiwi Transport example was exported to NZ when the owner went home, and it was operated out there for a while.

It seems to have been intended as the premium cab for tractors, although operator resistance to the initial design saw the traditional (dummy) radiator reinstated on production versions. The Mk.2 cab was first shown 12 months later at the 1967 Scottish Show, although the 1968 Earls Court Show saw a big push for View-Lines, with two complete tractors and a View-Line 6x2 tractor with no cab on show, compared with just the one Mk.2.

Operators had other ideas, of course, and it sold in only small numbers. The View-Line cab was actually the standard fitment on 6x4 tractors in 1968/9, but the Mk.2 cab could be had as an option for £150 less. Some at the factory reckoned that they built 200, but I would suggest 50 was probably nearer the mark - I should total up the ones I know about, one day!

What I can tell you, though, is that I owned mine for 19 years, and still regret parting with it. It was very comfortable and quite quiet for its day, and I had only one unbearably hot day in it in all that time.

Thanks for the info , I think they looked more like a prototype than a finished example

toxic_gas_man · 27 October 2017 18:16

Hi Chris & Dean the reg on the tanker looks like -ma–t so it could be Norco they were from Birkenhead area wern’t they? Ted.

pete_359 · 27 October 2017 18:43

Hi all,
Great input again,thanks.regarding the viewline atki’s,I remember a Llanelli based showman running one in the early 80’s.Dean, the south western metals scania drawbar could well have been from their yard on village farm ind.est.in Pyle? During the 1970’s,my father painted all of the trucks and bins that were based there.Evans transport and that F12 looks fairly new there? Were from I think Tredegar? Did a lot of steel from ebbw vale and tafarnaubach.
Regards Andrew.

pv83 · 27 October 2017 19:44

Spud1960:

DEANB:

ianto:
f88 /89 cab on a Scammel chassis ?

Spot on chap, think Heanor did it !

The built a few over the years, badged them as HHT

If my memory serves me well, I reckon four of those HHT wagons were build, the first one was a 8 wheeler, but was later on converted back into a 6 wheeler, the other three came to life as 6 wheelers from the start. Don’t know which one ended up in other fleets after Heanor sold them, but one turned up in Nuttal’s fleet, and one in GCS Johnson’s fleet. Nice to hear one of those is currently being restored, would be a pity if all of them ended up in the scrapyard… It’s a fitting salute to Mr. Searson as well I reckon, combining the best of two worlds, who would have thought of that…

Cheers, Patrick

deanb · 27 October 2017 20:56

Bewick:
Boyd Transport Seddon Atkinson from Ireland.

That Boyd Transport is a typical Paddy motor of the 70’s, ISO Box with a full undercarriage fitted ! cast Iron ! nowt fell out of them babies ! Cheers Bewick.

Thanks for your comment Dennis !

Chris Webb:

DEANB:
Scania tanker. Any ideas Chris ■■
No,that’s a new one on me,the red and blue type livery on that TIR tank is familiar but I can’t place it,unless it was Norco? I can’t make the reg plate out either.
There were one or two tanker men ran green sleeper Scanias out of Albright and Wilsons at Whitehaven int 70s.Somebody else might know…

Chris the Reg is WMA 887M hope that helps ■■

deanb · 27 October 2017 21:12

ramone:
Thanks for the info , I think they looked more like a prototype than a finished example

toxic gas man:
Hi Chris & Dean the reg on the tanker looks like -ma–t so it could be Norco they were from Birkenhead area wern’t they? Ted.

Thanks “toxic gas man” posted another pic and reg so may help !

pete 359:
Hi all,
Great input again,thanks.regarding the viewline atki’s,I remember a Llanelli based showman running one in the early 80’s.Dean, the south western metals scania drawbar could well have been from their yard on village farm ind.est.in Pyle? During the 1970’s,my father painted all of the trucks and bins that were based there.Evans transport and that F12 looks fairly new there? Were from I think Tredegar? Did a lot of steel from ebbw vale and tafarnaubach.
Regards Andrew.

Thanks for your comments Andrew ! The F12 would have been registered between 79/80.

pv83:
If my memory serves me well, I reckon four of those HHT wagons were build, the first one was a 8 wheeler, but was later on converted back into a 6 wheeler, the other three came to life as 6 wheelers from the start. Don’t know which one ended up in other fleets after Heanor sold them, but one turned up in Nuttal’s fleet, and one in GCS Johnson’s fleet. Nice to hear one of those is currently being restored, would be a pity if all of them ended up in the scrapyard… It’s a fitting salute to Mr. Searson as well I reckon, combining the best of two worlds, who would have thought of that…
Cheers, Patrick

Heres one Patrick !