Mitchell Cotts were bought out by Calor Transport
5thDragoon:
Mitchell Cotts were bought out by Calor Transport
Mitchell Cotts were actually bought out by Transfleet in 1988 for £16.5 million.
Transfleets parent company was Lex and in 2005 Lex Transfleet was bought out by the Fraikin Group for an undisclosed sum.
coomsey:
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Looks lovely but lot of effort, I could sheet mine up in about 5mins on a windy day!
Would that be the original cab? Can’t make the year out but didn’t realize A series cab went onto 8 whlrs.
not an A series,the only A series was a tractor unit. i think this cab was a 7LV or 8LV.
wideboybob:
coomsey:
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Looks lovely but lot of effort, I could sheet mine up in about 5mins on a windy day!
Would that be the original cab? Can’t make the year out but didn’t realize A series cab went onto 8 whlrs.not an A series,the only A series was a tractor unit. i think this cab was a 7LV or 8LV.
Living n learning. Did they make them for just a short while? I can only recall the stepless cabs on 8whlrs then B series
coomsey:
Living n learning. Did they make them for just a short while? I can only recall the stepless cabs on 8whlrs then B series
The ‘A’ Series ERF was only produced in numbers in tractor unit form although a handful of 4 x 2 rigid vehicles were built for draw-bar work.
The old LV models, including LV tractor units, continued in production alongside the ‘A’ Series until the new ‘B’ Series models came along in late 1974.
At least that is what i have been told over the years, but hang on, is that not an ‘A’ Series 6x4 tractor unit in the foreground at the 1970 Earls Court Show■■?
DEANB:
Anyone recognise the F88,probably a owner driver ■■?9
Monsanto Seddon tanker.
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Ken Perret ERF
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Free Foresters Foden
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Not sure who owned the ERF, i think it says someting then Plymouth on headboard ■■?
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Tozer’s tidy F10
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John Whitrid transport’s very tidy MAN bulker outfit.
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Scunthorpe hauliers Seddon Atkinson tipper.
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H.Campey & Sons tidy Foden.
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Midway Atkinson.
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Hi DEAN …that F88 could well be Russell bevan from Langstone Newport …love the old Crusader of Phillip Jones Fforestfach …they had a few of them on Signode work …the Scania drawbar of Crown cork are from Tredegar …superb stuff as usual …Geraint .
Re Mitchell Cotts, sorry moo moo land, I should have been more precise, in 1981 Calor acquired the ex Pointer tanker fleet from Mitchell Cotts.
moomooland:
05thDragoon:
Mitchell Cotts were bought out by Calor TransportMitchell Cotts were actually bought out by Transfleet in 1988 for £16.5 million.
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Transfleets parent company was Lex and in 2005 Lex Transfleet was bought out by the Fraikin Group for an undisclosed sum.
Thanks for your comment “5thDragon” and cheers Paul for your input and pics ! 
wideboybob:
coomsey:
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Looks lovely but lot of effort, I could sheet mine up in about 5mins on a windy day!
Would that be the original cab? Can’t make the year out but didn’t realize A series cab went onto 8 whlrs.not an A series,the only A series was a tractor unit. i think this cab was a 7LV or 8LV.
coomsey:
wideboybob:
coomsey:
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Looks lovely but lot of effort, I could sheet mine up in about 5mins on a windy day!
Would that be the original cab? Can’t make the year out but didn’t realize A series cab went onto 8 whlrs.not an A series,the only A series was a tractor unit. i think this cab was a 7LV or 8LV.
Living n learning. Did they make them for just a short while? I can only recall the stepless cabs on 8whlrs then B series
moomooland:
coomsey:
Living n learning. Did they make them for just a short while? I can only recall the stepless cabs on 8whlrs then B seriesThe ‘A’ Series ERF was only produced in numbers in tractor unit form although a handful of 4 x 2 rigid vehicles were built for draw-bar work.
The old LV models, including LV tractor units, continued in production alongside the ‘A’ Series until the new ‘B’ Series models came along in late 1974.At least that is what i have been told over the years, but hang on, is that not an ‘A’ Series 6x4 tractor unit in the foreground at the 1970 Earls Court Show■■?
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I thought the B series came out in 74 ! I reckon if ERF or Robert sees this he may be able to clarify
everything ?
kenfig bill:
DEANB:
0Hi DEAN …that F88 could well be Russell bevan from Langstone Newport …love the old Crusader of Phillip Jones Fforestfach …they had a few of them on Signode work …the Scania drawbar of Crown cork are from Tredegar …superb stuff as usual …Geraint .
Thanks Geraint for your comments ! 
Volvo G88 of Effluent Disposal.
M.Elliott & Sons Foden
Anyone recognise the tidy ERF ■■?
Damac Bedford.
Anyone recognise the Dodge ■■?
Chris will like this one ! Thomas Allen seddon Atkinson.
F.H.Mucklow’s FIAT.
Trans Bosca Pegaso
Anyone recognise the F88 ■■?
Jacmil tidy Foden.
Anyone recognise the Maggie ■■?
moomooland:
coomsey:
Living n learning. Did they make them for just a short while? I can only recall the stepless cabs on 8whlrs then B seriesThe ‘A’ Series ERF was only produced in numbers in tractor unit form although a handful of 4 x 2 rigid vehicles were built for draw-bar work.
The old LV models, including LV tractor units, continued in production alongside the ‘A’ Series until the new ‘B’ Series models came along in late 1974.At least that is what i have been told over the years, but hang on, is that not an ‘A’ Series 6x4 tractor unit in the foreground at the 1970 Earls Court Show■■?
Forgive me here Moomooland but I’m still confused. Is this a LV 7/8 ? Is the mechanics different between LV n A series different? Could this be recabbed, bearing in mind it’s a R reg ,would that be possible? I’m sure this must have been covered before but not read it n this motor intrigues me
Level the load? Cover the buga up me cheers Paul
coomsey:
Forgive me here Moomooland but I’m still confused. Is this a LV 7/8 ? Is the mechanics different between LV n A series different?
Could this be recabbed, bearing in mind it’s a R reg ,would that be possible? I’m sure this must have been covered before but not read it n this motor intrigues me cheers Paul
Your not as confused as i am Paul 
What all the records do not take into account is the vast amount of cutting and lengthening that went on back in the day by many operators.
For instance this ERF LV four wheeler Reg No SBU 567G operated by Scott’s of Oldham was later cut down and shortened by ERF at Sandbach who converted it into a 4x2 tractor unit.
This poor quality shot i have of it below after it was transformed in to a tractor unit is the only i have.
Another one i know about, which they did the exactly the opposite to - ie make a 4x2 rigid into a 4x2 tractor unit, was for Geoffrey Reyner.
It originally had a 1970 6LV cab after it was converted the cab was rebuilt as a 7LV with set back axle.
Like i say Paul all very confusing and many pictures of old ERF’s you see today should not be taken at face value.
moomooland:
coomsey:
Forgive me here Moomooland but I’m still confused. Is this a LV 7/8 ? Is the mechanics different between LV n A series different?
Could this be recabbed, bearing in mind it’s a R reg ,would that be possible? I’m sure this must have been covered before but not read it n this motor intrigues me cheers PaulYour not as confused as i am Paul
What all the records do not take into account is the vast amount of cutting and lengthening that went on back in the day by many operators.
For instance this ERF LV four wheeler Reg No SBU 567G operated by Scott’s of Oldham was later cut down and shortened by ERF at Sandbach who converted it into a 4x2 tractor unit.
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This poor quality shot i have of it below after it was transformed in to a tractor unit is the only i have.
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Another one i know about, which they did the exactly the opposite to - ie make a 4x2 rigid into a 4x2 tractor unit, was for Geoffrey Reyner.
It originally had a 1970 6LV cab after it was converted the cab was rebuilt as a 7LV with set back axle.Like i say Paul all very confusing and many pictures of old ERF’s you see today should not be taken at face value.
Possibly a mix n match then. Must have been a new body as well do you think ? Doesn’t the LV cab sit further back?
If he’d have fitted a Wilcox body would have looked the biz.
Level load either daft or no sheet. On that note I don’t recall sheeting anything singles size or above n that load looks like doubles to me.
Re the ^^^above discussion. It is important to remember that A-series refers to the chassis and LV refers to the cab. The A-series had one of the LV cabs but it could also be fitted with a 5MW cab, as shown in the example photo below. On one of the ERF threads one of TruckNet’s accomplished members, called ‘ERF’, managed to clear up a few misconceptions for us as follows:
The A’ Series cab as you call it is only the 7LV. The A’ Series design chassis, the 7LV cab and the 8LV were all launched at the Earls Court show in 1970 (not 72) and they could be identified by the 7in headlamps, bigger grille (as made by John), better soundproofing and twin heater units - amongst other things. As with all ERF cab number changes, there were significant differences between these cabs and the old 5 and 6LV. However, during 1971 and into 72, the 5,6,7 and 8LV cabs were all being fitted at the same time, so again, there is no definitive cut off point. From the records you can see that there was a progression of the new 7&8LV cabs overtaking the old 5&6LV ones in terms of production numbers.
The A’ Series chassis trucks (tractor units) entered volume production in April 1972, well over a year after the initial launch of the cab and chassis, by which time the new style cabs had appeared all over the country on the old (we’ll call them LV) design chassis. It was not until the A’ series tractor units became commonplace that people started to refer to ALL LV cabs with the big grille and 7" headlamps as A’ Series.
All A’ Series chassis equipped vehicles carry an 025 or 026 code in their model designation. Only 4 rigid A’ Series drawbar 4x2 vehicles seem to have been completed, and a handful of 6x4 tractor units, although the old chassis was found to be much superior in terms of strength for both these applications.
ERF themselves can carry some blame for the identification confusion. When the new chassis was launched in 1970 they stated in all the related press releases and articles that “…all ERF vehicles will be A’ Series chassis equipped by 1972” this proved not to be possible, and only the 4x2 tractor unit was actually in production from April 1972. This was an embarrassment to the marketing and sales people, so a minor effort was made to re-brand all 7LV and 8LV products as A’ Series from mid 1973, irrespective of whether they actually were or not. This proposal did not go down at all well with the dealer network who could foresee some very awkward questions being asked by operators who’s new rigid vehicle looked identical underneath to their old one!. Some 1973 issued handbooks and service manuals were actually printed to this effect, but in the event the effort was very soon halted and no sales literature or press releases were actually issued stating that anything other than the 7LV cabbed (or it’s MW equivalent) 4x2 tractor unit in production was actually an A’ Series.
I hope this helps! Robert
Well Robert n Moomooland I’ve read both your posts (more than once, I’m not prepared to give an exact figure ) n seem to see where you’re coming from. ERF were as bad as Foden seems you had to be on the ball to order n get what you wanted.
Any way this particular motor doesn’t make sense to me.R reg you would imagine it wouldn’t have come off the production line? I would have thought B series by then. If old stock still a mystery has to an 8whlr with that cab. Stretched tractor, why would you? Buy a trailer. I’ve never seen an 8whlr with that cab, are there others? N if this is off the production line is it an A series 8whlr, something I’ve been told doesn’t exist?
N who in their right mind would spend 1/2hr levelling load of coal?
coomsey:
moomooland:
coomsey:
Living n learning. Did they make them for just a short while? I can only recall the stepless cabs on 8whlrs then B seriesThe ‘A’ Series ERF was only produced in numbers in tractor unit form although a handful of 4 x 2 rigid vehicles were built for draw-bar work.
The old LV models, including LV tractor units, continued in production alongside the ‘A’ Series until the new ‘B’ Series models came along in late 1974.At least that is what i have been told over the years, but hang on, is that not an ‘A’ Series 6x4 tractor unit in the foreground at the 1970 Earls Court Show■■?
Forgive me here Moomooland but I’m still confused. Is this a LV 7/8 ? Is the mechanics different between LV n A series different? Could this be recabbed, bearing in mind it’s a R reg ,would that be possible? I’m sure this must have been covered before but not read it n this motor intrigues me
Level the load? Cover the buga up me
moomooland:
coomsey:
Forgive me here Moomooland but I’m still confused. Is this a LV 7/8 ? Is the mechanics different between LV n A series different?
Could this be recabbed, bearing in mind it’s a R reg ,would that be possible? I’m sure this must have been covered before but not read it n this motor intrigues me cheers PaulYour not as confused as i am Paul
What all the records do not take into account is the vast amount of cutting and lengthening that went on back in the day by many operators.
For instance this ERF LV four wheeler Reg No SBU 567G operated by Scott’s of Oldham was later cut down and shortened by ERF at Sandbach who converted it into a 4x2 tractor unit.This poor quality shot i have of it below after it was transformed in to a tractor unit is the only i have.
Another one i know about, which they did the exactly the opposite to - ie make a 4x2 rigid into a 4x2 tractor unit, was for Geoffrey Reyner.
It originally had a 1970 6LV cab after it was converted the cab was rebuilt as a 7LV with set back axle.Like i say Paul all very confusing and many pictures of old ERF’s you see today should not be taken at face value.
Sounds a bit like the old ELO record “Confusion” !
ERF-NGC-European:
Re the ^^^above discussion. It is important to remember that A-series refers to the chassis and LV refers to the cab. The A-series had one of the LV cabs but it could also be fitted with a 5MW cab, as shown in the example photo below. On one of the ERF threads one of TruckNet’s accomplished members, called ‘ERF’, managed to clear up a few misconceptions for us as follows:The A’ Series cab as you call it is only the 7LV. The A’ Series design chassis, the 7LV cab and the 8LV were all launched at the Earls Court show in 1970 (not 72) and they could be identified by the 7in headlamps, bigger grille (as made by John), better soundproofing and twin heater units - amongst other things. As with all ERF cab number changes, there were significant differences between these cabs and the old 5 and 6LV. However, during 1971 and into 72, the 5,6,7 and 8LV cabs were all being fitted at the same time, so again, there is no definitive cut off point. From the records you can see that there was a progression of the new 7&8LV cabs overtaking the old 5&6LV ones in terms of production numbers.
The A’ Series chassis trucks (tractor units) entered volume production in April 1972, well over a year after the initial launch of the cab and chassis, by which time the new style cabs had appeared all over the country on the old (we’ll call them LV) design chassis. It was not until the A’ series tractor units became commonplace that people started to refer to ALL LV cabs with the big grille and 7" headlamps as A’ Series.
All A’ Series chassis equipped vehicles carry an 025 or 026 code in their model designation. Only 4 rigid A’ Series drawbar 4x2 vehicles seem to have been completed, and a handful of 6x4 tractor units, although the old chassis was found to be much superior in terms of strength for both these applications.
ERF themselves can carry some blame for the identification confusion. When the new chassis was launched in 1970 they stated in all the related press releases and articles that “…all ERF vehicles will be A’ Series chassis equipped by 1972” this proved not to be possible, and only the 4x2 tractor unit was actually in production from April 1972. This was an embarrassment to the marketing and sales people, so a minor effort was made to re-brand all 7LV and 8LV products as A’ Series from mid 1973, irrespective of whether they actually were or not. This proposal did not go down at all well with the dealer network who could foresee some very awkward questions being asked by operators who’s new rigid vehicle looked identical underneath to their old one!. Some 1973 issued handbooks and service manuals were actually printed to this effect, but in the event the effort was very soon halted and no sales literature or press releases were actually issued stating that anything other than the 7LV cabbed (or it’s MW equivalent) 4x2 tractor unit in production was actually an A’ Series.I hope this helps! Robert
Well done Robert ,thats confused everybody a bit more, good lad !!!
coomsey:
Well Robert n Moomooland I’ve read both your posts (more than once, I’m not prepared to give an exact figure
Any way this particular motor doesn’t make sense to me.R reg you would imagine it wouldn’t have come off the production line? I would have thought B series by then. If old stock still a mystery has to an 8whlr with that cab. Stretched tractor, why would you? Buy a trailer. I’ve never seen an 8whlr with that cab, are there others? N if this is off the production line is it an A series 8whlr, something I’ve been told doesn’t exist?
N who in their right mind would spend 1/2hr levelling load of coal?
“coomsey” you havent stopped taking your medication again ■■ I have told you about that before !
Heres a few more,the same as the Dean Haulage one !
I was just going to post some more ERF pics as well Dean, but you beat me to it! Regarding levelling the load, I presume the driver (a Derbyshire based one so used to doing the job right! ) wanted to make sure that nothing could blow off the same as we had to do with stone before the sheet could be dragged across
Pete.
windrush:
I was just going to post some more ERF pics as well Dean, but you beat me to it! Regarding levelling the load, I presume the driver (a Derbyshire based one so used to doing the job right!Pete.
Never ever seen anyone level it like that though Pete!!
One for “gazsa401” Stirlands
Seddon Atkinson.
